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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Project Shur'tug'al [AKA 75 Pinto street toy]

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hellfirejim

As promised, here is a link to the pictures of the pinto without the motor....  The new oil pan and pickup should be here by tuesday.  I don't have any pictures of the new shortblock yet because it was raining all day and is supposed to continue un till Wed so maybe some pictures then..
That's about it for now, take care
jim





here is the link to the full set.

http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/Open%20pinto%20-%20oil%20pan/
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hellfirejim

tonight I went and picked up my factory turbo shortblock from a friend local to me.  i also got a bonus of a cylinder head thrown in too.
Tomorrow i will put up some pictures of the Pinto as it sits waiting for the new motor and if it is not raining tomorrow i will also have some pictures of the short block.

jim
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hellfirejim

Wow,

So many people have stepped up to offer help with an oil pan and pickup,  i am really greatful.  i made a decison based on my needs and have contacted that person.  To all the other people thank you for your kind offers i really appreciate it.

jim
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71pintoracer

Here are the pics. Top one is the rusty one, it's not too bad, a little sand blasting would have it looking like new. The other two are the dented pan, a block of wood and a BFH would straighten it out.  :)
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

hellfirejim

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71pintoracer

Jim, I found a pick-up tube and another oil pan in the trunk of my '80 Pinto. This pan is not rusty at all but it has a fair sized dent across the front of the sump. The other one is a bit rusty but not dented. Let me know which one you want and I'll get the tube and pan boxed up and shipped ASAP. If you want to see some pics first I can do that too. You can PM your address if you don't want to post it here.  :)
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

hellfirejim

Could you take a look and let me know please.
thanks
jim
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71pintoracer

Jim, missed your post about needing a pan, I have one laying behind the barn, probably a little rusty from being outside but if you need it it's yours. I don't think I have a pick up tube but I will look. Let me know.
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

hellfirejim

thank you  I am waiting to hear back from Curtis but if that falls through i will definately give them a call.
thanks
again.
jim
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Pinturbo75

here jim

1975
Oil Pan
Ford Mustang 4-140,4CYL,1743035      1743035 $Call Sisco's R & R Inc USA-IL(Fairbury) E-mail 888-394-4700 / (815) 692-2407
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

hellfirejim

I have to admit that I am surprised that with all the people on here that nobody has an oil pan and pickup............................ :amazed:
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hellfirejim

First off i want to apologise for the last post but i was really tired.  Here is the update.  The old motor is already out of the car and of course we are running into a few small problems.  My biggest so far is the turbo motor came with a rear sump and oil pickup.  My Pinto uses a front sump and pickup.  The oil pan got torn up with the departure of the rod so i am looking for a front sump and oil pickup.  Got a few feelers out and I am waiting to hear a return.  Hope it pans out.....so to speak. :lol:

This is all part of it when working with orphan cars.  We will get through it like we have gotten through everything else.

jim
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hellfirejim

That is an unknown.  Here is the stor about the mtor.  There is a guy who lives in St Louis who had a TC and then had a full blown motor made for the car.  When it was ready he pulled out the stock motor and put in the hopped up motor.  Then he got tiresd of it and sold the hopped motor and put in the stock motor.  He had 4 cars and three garage spaces so he sold it to the guy I bought it from.  No I don't know the milage but remember all I am asking for it to do is just run cleanly in a non-boosed foremate while i sort out the rest of the car.  I am also picking up a turbo short block shortly that supposidly still has a crosshatch on the walls.  That will be my security blanket and the basis for "the" motr that I might be able to start next year.

But first things first, get it in and running, sort out the car, tune it, add exhaust and then just drive it.  All else is a bonus.
jim
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r4pinto

The motor looks good Jim. How many miles are on it?
Matt Manter
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hellfirejim

Today is a good day to post.  Yeterday I took a 12 hour round road trip to get my new [to me] motor.  As far as we can tell it is a 85 TC motor.  Looks to be in good shape.   The people I bought it from are genuine nice people.  I have a good feeling about this.  now i know it will probsbly have less power than my old motor but when i add boost I won't have to worry about it.

This is the plan.  My buddy is swapping the motor for me and then i will then install the electric fan regulator and my wide band gauge.  We will start to tune it and cure all the little problems that always show up.  At that point I am hoping to try and find the money for the exhaust.  With that I will be street legal and drivable.  Life is good.

All you with projects, setbacks are only that if you allow it to be....  I now have a better base so when i go with boost everthing is going to be all right. :lol:

Almost forgot, here is the link for the pictures.
jim

http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/new%20motor/
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hellfirejim

Just a brief update.  It appears that i may have found a turbo motor and to top it off it is my state.  We have agreed on price and we are working out the details.  More to come.
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popbumper

Glad to hear!! Of course, if I had a turbo motor laying around, I'd be using it.... :P

Best wishes! I am still plugging away at my own project.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

hellfirejim

Chris,
it worked great.  Sorry i didn't post as I only put it in on Friday and then it sort of gotover run...  Thank you very much, I do appreciate it.   So got a turbo motor laying around... :lol:
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popbumper

Jim:

  I assume the proportioning valve I sent worked for you then?

Chris
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hellfirejim

Thanks I appreciate the post.  Oh yeah it is a bitch but like i said i have come waaaay tooo far to quit now.  Besides i don't quit in my personal life and i sure as hell ain't quittin now.
jim
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71HANTO

Jim,

I feel your pain. I had my 351W performance built by DISGRUNTLED employees that knew the shop was closing. That part got left out when I contracted them to do the work AND after paying them ALL the money, they handed me a basket case that was not even machined correctly >:( with a GEZ...sorry your timing sucked... :hangover: I focused not on the bad but focused on what I wanted to do better for the first rebuild but passed at the time because of the $$$ or otherwise. Thinking like that has kept me sane (some would argue this ;D) during some difficult times I have been through and going through right now, as we all do. Roll up your sleeves and start dreaming of the potential....

71HANTO
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

hellfirejim

Ok it is the next day, I am better.  Life happens but there is no quit.  I didn't come this far and work this hard to quit now.  I will get another motor and keep going with the porject.
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discolives78

Quote from: hellfirejim on March 21, 2009, 03:30:31 PM
Well boys and girls today was cool and sucks at the same time.  The cool part was we got all the brake work done and a few other items. :lol:    The sucks part is it blew a rod out the side of the block on the testing drive.  The motor was supposed to be "blueprinted" and "good" parts but I saw a piece of the piston and it was cheap cast.  So anyway I guess I will be looking for a turbo short block or possible a long block.  Don't know yet as I haven't pulled the valve cover to see if I sucked a valve.

The good news is the money I set aside for the the custom exhaust will help me buy a new motor.  I am sure I won't need the exhaust for a while. ;D

Remember at least it blew up here rather on the road somewhere.

  :(

Well, there is a bright side then. When you get the motor back together, it will stop! :accident: 
And at least it happened close to home. Keep the faith. ;D

Chuck :afro:



A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

hellfirejim

Well boys and girls today was cool and sucks at the same time.  The cool part was we got all the brake work done and a few other items. :lol:    The sucks part is it blew a rod out the side of the block on the testing drive.  The motor was supposed to be "blueprinted" and "good" parts but I saw a piece of the piston and it was cheap cast.  So anyway I guess I will be looking for a turbo short block or possible a long block.  Don't know yet as I haven't pulled the valve cover to see if I sucked a valve.

The good news is the money I set aside for the the custom exhaust will help me buy a new motor.  I am sure I won't need the exhaust for a while. ;D

Remember at least it blew up here rather on the road somewhere.
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hellfirejim

Yeah i will head on down to curtis place as soon as he gets my room ready...... :lol:  I am sure that seeing you will be part of the deal.  If nothing else but to show off my Pinto finally.....
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Pinturbo75

cool, keep us updated when you are gonna be in the area. im sure you are going to head towards curtis when you come down. he's only 2 hrs from me.
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hellfirejim

Absolutly  ;D  I will be down there.  The schedule is not worked out but we (pinto and me) will find a way to get there.  Right now I have to solve my brake proportioning problem.  My leaks at the electrical connections.  You know having an "orphan"" car is not like owning a mustang where you can just car anybody for parts.  Got to search and depend on each other.  But then again that is part of the fun.....
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Pinturbo75

so,,, will that driving to hell and back include another trip  back down south here? enjoyed havin you down for the meet last year..steve
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

hellfirejim

Just a short note to let you know the Pinto is IN the shop as I write this.  The complete front brakes are new and the rear brakes are 90% new excluding drum and whel cyl.  Interesting they found a partically closed metal brake line in the rear.

When it comes out I will try to get some pictures and then it goes to the exhaust shop to get the 2 1/2" exhaust pipe custom made.

Then I have to install the inertia switch for the fuel pump and my wide band but I can garantee you that I will be driving this car all over hell and creation........
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hellfirejim

Quote from: dave1987 on February 28, 2009, 09:36:48 PM
Where did you get yours, from the ebay auction or did you PM him for a request? I would like to get one to have around for when I have my car repainted.

My spoiler comes from Mike or MAP351.  Lookk in the classifieds and he is posted there.  I also have the three gauge pod for the A pillar and that is a good piece too.
jim
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