Mini Classifieds

Front sway bar frame brackets
Date: 07/13/2017 01:05 am
Sunroof shade
Date: 06/19/2019 01:33 pm
Selling off many SVO parts/motors etc.

Date: 07/13/2018 02:21 pm
Weather Strip, Muffler, Splash Shields

Date: 02/21/2022 11:11 pm
Pinto hubcap
Date: 01/07/2017 08:40 pm
1972 Runabout (GOING TO SCRAP BY 5/28)

Date: 05/21/2019 11:50 am
2.3/C-4 torque converter needed
Date: 02/08/2018 02:26 pm
Mustang II V8 swap parts
Date: 03/26/2017 02:25 pm
1974 Pinto Passenger side door glass and door parts

Date: 02/28/2018 09:18 am

Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

Members
Stats
  • Total Posts: 139,573
  • Total Topics: 16,267
  • Online today: 593
  • Online ever: 1,722 (May 04, 2025, 02:19:48 AM)
Users Online
  • Users: 0
  • Guests: 588
  • Total: 588
F&I...more

My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

ford-pinto.jpg

I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Project Shur'tug'al [AKA 75 Pinto street toy]

Started by hellfirejim, July 25, 2007, 09:06:32 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

hellfirejim

This is how i spent my weekend.  Since i was not in a position to do any mechanical work on it I decided to clean up the engine compartment.  I have always hated the chrome valve cleaner.



and



yeah i know the air cleaner lid is too big, what I need is a 6 " air cleaner top.  Anybody got one?????????????????????

It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


hellfirejim

Chris,
This is what i would do if I was in your place.  A totally sealed and vented metal battery box.  I would put it in the right rear corner in the back.  I have added a main shut off switch on mine but it doesn't appear to have room in this box.  If you want to go in that direction let me know and we can talk about it.

You can buy them cheaper but not better.  This is no place to scrimp.

http://www.jegs.com/i/Taylor/895/48100/10002/-1
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


popbumper

Quote from: hellfirejim on July 31, 2008, 06:21:20 AM
Let me check some things and I will get back to you.  BTW: Do you plan to take it to the track???  This will make a difference.

jim

Jim:

  NO track for me....

1) I have never raced
2) I don't want to build a racer
3) I'm chicken  ;)

No, seriously, building as a driver, nothing overly powered or modified, just a nice, clean example with tasteful mods.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

hellfirejim

Quote from: Pintony on July 30, 2008, 11:39:19 PM
Hello hellfirejim,
I must admit that I have never looked at this thread???
Not sure why???
The Shur'tug'al thing totally threw me off!!!!
Now that I have looked, I'll go back to the beginning and read all the posts...
I give you a 1-UP for your effort and for your garage post about "NOT GIVING UP" on your project.
From Pintony

Welcome to the thread.  Shur'tug'al is a word from an ancient language that means Dragon Rider.  This is in reference to my adding turbos to the mix when I get the car to where I want it.

I am truley amazed at all the views of my little car.  I am so far from where I want to be with it but at the same time I have come a really long way so for that I am greatful.  If life would stop getting in the way I would be further along... Oh well ;D
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


hellfirejim

Quote from: popbumper on July 30, 2008, 09:14:20 PM
HI Jim:

  Sorry, should have said my car is a wagon (1976 model). If you can make a suggestion, please do.

Chris

Let me check some things and I will get back to you.  BTW: Do you plan to take it to the track???  This will make a difference.

jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


popbumper

HI Jim:

  Sorry, should have said my car is a wagon (1976 model). If you can make a suggestion, please do.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

hellfirejim

chris:
Go ahead and start your own project thread.  you will be glad you did so.  Beside it will give me an opportunity to check out your progress.

I don't remember what type of Pinto you have but it does cause you to be careful on the kit that you buy.  If it is a sedan then a batterry kit from Summit or Jegs will probably work.  Make sure it is totally sealed and has a vent to the out side.  Or is at least adaptable to do so as you have to vent it outside the box and trunk area.

If it is a fast back and you want to go to the track  then you have to isolate it from the pass compartment by some sheet metal,  However if you are like me and I figure i probably wont ever make it to thetrack then put it where ever you want.

To answer your question the only part of mine that is commercially available is the box, all else is custom made.

jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


popbumper

Jim:

  I have had a few threads started, most of mine is under the title "Rust loves to hide" in the general section. I suppose like the rest of you I need to move my project to a thread here.

HEY - where did you get the battery box? Is it all self-fabricated? Are there "kits" available for doing this (relocating the battery)? I would like to do the same.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

hellfirejim

My goal of doing this was to share what I have learned and show it can be done without fancy stuff.  I have spent my whole life doing things this way so naturally i just jumped in and did it.

Chris, if I haven't missed it start your own project thread.  It keeps me going to do something even very small each weekend that I can.

I am honored by how many views there are on this little project pinto... I hope people can learn at least one thing from it.
jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


popbumper

Well Jim, I gotta say, this is the first time I have read through your thread in entirety. Impressive! Certainly you are an ambitious man, and congratulations on all you have done. You have taught me several things:

1) Perseverance is a good thing
2) (I need to) quit complaining about not having a work space and just DO it
3) (I need to) remember that I too am blessed every day.

Thanks for your insights, thoughts and prayers with you.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

hellfirejim

I have not gotten the brakes done yet as it appears it is just one of those things that will get done when it gets done.  Something more important and something I want to pass along.

Do NOT use regular teflon tape when taping fuel connetions.  Gas will eventually eat the teflon tape.  The is a special pink color teflon tape that is specifically for gas lines and such.



Got a good start on the air cleaner but don't expect much as this is just temporary until I get the fuel injection installed.

jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


hellfirejim

It was a pretty good weekend as i got some stuff done between the rain showers.  The first is the phenolic spacer.  If you remember I had an open 1/2 spacer which was ok but not what i really needed. So i got the 4 hole spacer and modified it to work.. there's that word again.... :read:



The next thing I did was install a Hurst t-handle with a button for the line lock and wired it in.  To work it requires you to manually flip the toggle switch and then press the button.  the toggle switch is to protect me from myself... :lol:  One shot is of the shifter itself and the other is how it fits in the interior.  personally I like it which is good because it is my car.



and



So what's next???  Well if things go right I will get the brakes done during the week, I hope and then next weekend I plan on making the carb air cleaner.  I will also tell you about the fuel pressure gauge.

jim



It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


hellfirejim

This second post is going to be a little different.  There have been over 3000 views of my project over the last couple of years.  The people viewing may think that I have a big garage and a machine shop to get all this done.  Well here is a picture of my garage:



and here are a couple of pictures of my machine shop:


and


The point of this is NOT sympathy for me but to point out that you don't need all the fancy stuff to get your Pinto the way you want it.  People just starting out and people who are burned out on their projects take heart, it can be done.  It just takes creative thinking and determination.  Take your projects and break them down into singular projects and tackle one at a time and before you know it it is where you want it to be,  I still have two more steps before my Pinto is drivable,  exhaust and brakes.  But i couldn't be happer with the results because I built it my way and the best that I can do with what I have to work with.  I am very glad I have the car as it helps keep me sane of course if you own a Pinto that part is questioned anyway. :lol:

So keep on working on your project and soon enough it will get done.
jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


hellfirejim

I am going to post twice tonight.  This one and one more. 
this post is about finishing the batttery box w/cutoff switch.  The pictures tell apretty good story.  i just simply finished the wiring and closed it up.  It works just fine.

When you look at the pictures of the battery box remember that the only  stock part is the lower plastic bottom.  Everything else in the picture is custom made in my shop.

I will post two pictures and the links for two more if you are interested.





here are the links for the other two pictures.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/battery%20box/cutoffswitch07-12004.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/battery%20box/cutoffswitch07-12005.jpg

Now on to the second post................

jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


hellfirejim

I am going to try this again. the last time the site just freaked out on me.

Been busy today. I am mounting my master cutoff switch to the side of the battery
box so only the switch handle will be visable.  When i turn off the car i can reach
back and flip the switch to isolate the battery from the car.

Since the battery box is plastic i felt it neccessary to make up mounting plates
both inside and out to support the mass of the switch.  It is amazing that small
parts such as these take as much time as the big parts.  I had to design the shape
of the plates, then drill a hole where i think the switch will poke through. I put
a punch through the hole to keep the two plates centered and one at a time drilled
the connecting mounting bolt hole in each of the 4 corners.  The challenge was to
keep it all aligned.  After opening up the center hole to allow the switch to pokethrough
I then clamped onto the battery box and started the drilling and mounting of the
plate all over again.  Because the box was not a flat piece i also had to make spacers
to keep the mounting plates flate.  With the mounting plates secure I then cut out
the hole in the center using the plates as a guide.  Did I mention I LOVE uni-bits??????
So now we are to the point in the pictures. The outer plate is painted black and
the plate where the cables go into the box is also painted black....  now that I
am thinking about it I might just paint the outside of the switch and handle black
as to maintain the stealth look.    No wonder I am tired.  I also made multiple
trips to the hardware store to gets the necessary bolts.  why is it that you might
have the bolt but it is the wrong length?????

Tomorrow, I am going to finish the install of the switch and the cable entry plate.
Wire it all up and see if it works.  Depending on what happens and how long it
will take I might startup on mounting the muffler.


Brakes get done next week if the wiring goes well.  The goal is to get it on the
street drivable before surgury.  Now that would be good medicene.





jim


It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


hellfirejim

Part 2:
I then placed the carb on on the manifold and realized that I need to get 1/2 " of height to make it all work.  So I first went and got longer carb studs. Then i went looking for a 1/2" carb spacer.  Nope ain't going o happen so i then remembered the guy i bought the Pinto from had a shelf full of ..stuff.  Iswung by there and got a free 2" spacer that he didn't need.  Well lo and behold  each end had a 1/2" flat plate cast to a 1" spacer to get 2".  I simply cut off the plate and with the longer studes bolted it in. 

It is an open spacer and i really need a 4 hole 1/2" spacer to make it right.  Anyway i fired it up and happy days.  it ran but wasn't "right".  Sunday i raised the fuel pressure from 4 to 6 lbs.  i then took it down off the jackstand  after 2 years and set it on the ground.  I hit the key and it fired like it was fuel injection.  I ended up driving it for a 2 block trip but straight pipes and dragging rear brakes created an issue.  I did learn something though and that is i am fooling myself to think I can manually operate a switch for an electric fan.  i am going to get a temp controller unit.

So that's about it for now.  if you have any questions please ask.
jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


hellfirejim

Thanks for the good words and i am truly humbled by 2900 reads of my little car....  ;D

I am going to try and explain what i did to get the carb, manifold and linkage to all work together.  if it gets too long I will stop and I will do another post.

Ok first is the manifold.  stock it is an offy 360 that I have modifed the plenium area.  Next is the holley carb and it is a 450cfm that was gone through by a friend Walt Bainey out of Ohio and he did an excellent job.  I ended up using a stock accel cable holder but modified. That word seems to come up a lot.

The carb is mounted backwords so the linkage is facing the fire wall.  The linkage post is at the bottom of the linkage and yes it does open all the way.

Mounting the accel cable holder i first had to make a plate to move the holder to the right about 1 1/2" just used a flat plate.  I also used button head bolts to hold the plate to the manifold for clearance.  With the cable popped on that carb I set the cable holder down and realized the angle was way off.   So i did the first thing that came to mind and grabed the whizzer and made two cuts so I could bend the piece flatter to improve the angle.  Don't know what angle it ended up at but it works.  I took the piece over to the guy who does my welding and he cut two fill pieces and tigged it for $7.  i gave him $10. 

looks to be agood place to split the post.  be back in a minute. here are the pictures to compare to what I have written.
http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/Its%20ALIVE/
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


Jinxter

Almost 2900 reads...!!  Your perserverance is a testament to the dedication of Pinto enthusiasts everywhere.  Great job - can't wait to see the turbo version!
Beat it to fit, paint it to match...

hellfirejim

Today is a very good day.  The Pinto came down off the jack stands and i drove it.  Not real far as straight pipes and draggging rear brakes discourage this.  neverthe less it was great and a good payoff for the two years i have been working on this.

Here are the "beauty' shots.  http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/Running%20Free/

jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


hellfirejim

Today is an important day.  Today it is alive for real!!!!!  This is with the new coil and new intake manifold and  new carb.  i fired it today and my, my, my.....  It was responsive.  In the sense of fairness it does have a few issues but I can fix that.  it idled clean and responded very well.
There is a whole lot to the story so it will take a number post to fit it all in...
Here is a teaser.



PS: I know the carb looks huge but it is only 450cfm and is progressive.
jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


beegle55

Glad to see you hanging in there and getting some progress. I hope you can make a full recovery. Best wishes...

    -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

hellfirejim

Yesterday was a good day.  Between dodging rain showers I managed to first get the oil and filter changed.  That oil filter sure is easy to get at with no intake manifold. :amazed:   :lol:

Most importantly I got the intake manifold installed and plumbed.  Here is a picture:



I am hoping that with the three day weekend coming up I can get it running....

I also wanted to express my amazment that almost 2700 views of my project, I am humbled.

jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


hellfirejim

today, sat, is a good news day.  I was out working on the car and just came in before a big storm hit... :lol:

First thing I did was clean up the mess and tools from all the wiring work.  What a mess.  Then I painted my new claipers and NO I didn't pain them red.... :nocool:

i finished porting the intake manifold and took it over to my buddies to bead blast it.  Came out a funky aluminum color but with faint blue stripes.  hard to describe, I will get pictures tomorrow.  Speaking of tomorrow i start with an oil and filter change and then I actually start puting things back together.  It is posible that by the July 4th weekend this may be running.... we shall see.  it would be really cool to have this running before the surgury....

jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


hellfirejim

Well I have finished the wiring on the car and i thought I would be happier...  This Scot K death thing has hit me pretty hard.  As a racer I understand why he does it but if you have never raced at that level, you simply cannot comprehend the height of the dangers involved....  Only by the grace of God have there only been a few. :'(

maybe some pictures if anybody wants to see the finished work.
jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


hellfirejim

I am down to finish wiring the gauges for dash light power. [see question in help section]  That plus a ground and the gauge part is done.  Then I get to the fun stuff, the intake.  I get to finish modifying it and get it installed.
jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


bobscat

Hey Jim, thanks for the heads up, and glad to see you are up and around fiddling with the car! 

hellfirejim

This is more of a heads up from my experience.  I had a sunpro mechanical oil pressure gauge and i decided that if that feed line for the car was coming inside I did not want plastic or copper. I found a braided hose at a decent price.  I went to connect it to the gauge after running it through the firewall and found it would not fit the gauge.  It seems that gauge only had compression threads on it and there was no adapter available.  So I bit the bullet and bought a VDO gauge.

On another board I read of a number of people that have had problems with this sunpro gauge leaking or filling up with oil,  I was spared on shear blind luck which is ok and appreciated.  The real deal here is don't short cut on things like gauges and such as it will come back and bite you in the butt.

jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


hellfirejim

Amazing enough I actually got to go outside and work somemore on the Pinto.

Here is a picture of what the wiring looked like:

and


this is what it looks like now.

and

Just one more thing done. 
jim





It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


hellfirejim

Thanks for the kind words.

It was so perfect outside roday that I had to go work on the car. I installed the oil and water sending units through the firewall.



In the oil sending unit the top plug will be for the oil pressure cut off for my electric fuel pump.

Not a lot of work as i had to stop and rest a lot but it is one less thing to do.
jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


71pintoracer

Our thoughts and prayers are with you fellow Pinto lover!  :)
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?