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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dga57

Glad to know you made the trip and got back home safely.  When I finally have my orange '74 Runabout finished and home, that show/meet is the highest priority for me!  Looks like a gorgeous setting and who could resist the rivalry between the Pinto/Bobcat guys and that poor Maverick/Comet bunch?


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Quote from: pintosopher on August 23, 2017, 07:07:25 AM
Looking pretty Sharp Matt, Keep up the good work! :)
Thanks that's the plan. If things improve and not get worse I will be happy lol. I also found out the horn is very weak and will try to replace it with a spare I have in the parts bin.


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r4pinto

The car did ok. It has a death rattle from the front end so it will be getting all the front suspension replaced. New shock arrived while I was out to replace the one I couldn't get off the 77. The car has no fast idle and runs like crud until warmed up and yes it was cool enough for the choke to function. The speedometer also broke on the car. It showed me going 85 but not always. At the same time the odometer was fine. I found it is possible the speedometer needed lubricated so we'll see what happens when I reinstall the cluster.

On the way home I was on I71 south when I heard something hit underneath. I pulled over and didn't see anything so I got back on the road. Turns out it was a bracket that went to the hood latch from the lower radiator support. Got a replacement from someone on Facebook already being sent to me. Time will tell how hard the suspension will be to be rebuilt.


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Pintosopher

Quote from: r4pinto on August 23, 2017, 07:04:13 AM


Just a couple pics from the trip

Looking pretty Sharp Matt, Keep up the good work! :)
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

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Just a couple pics from the trip
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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dick1172762

Quote from: dick1172762 on August 17, 2017, 05:25:32 PM
I don't know if I missed this in the past, but the only way the fast idle will work is when the choke works. Plain and simple.
New choke assy are on E-gay / ford pinto nos / 2.3L choke / for around $20.
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r4pinto

Interesting. Might have to do that. First winter project though is that aged suspension


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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dick1172762

Intake only requires work if used for racing, otherwise it works just fine. Several members on here have gone that way. Good winter project.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

r4pinto

I was under the impression there were issues with the intake manifold plenum fitting without modifications. I've had a love/hate relationship with carburetors. I love to hate them. Get in the car, turn the key, and go. drive with minimal issues. If there is a problem hook up the computer and track it down by the sensor readouts. Even without a computer to test it I have always had a knack for diagnosing fuel injected. Carburetors not so much.
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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dick1172762

BTW! FI is supper easy on a 2300 Pinto. Just get one off a 2300 Mustang. It will bolt right on and the smaller ports of the FI intake will work even better with no mods necessary.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

dick1172762

I don't know if I missed this in the past, but the only way the fast idle will work is when the choke works. Plain and simple.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

r4pinto

The unfortunate truth is most people are on Facebook any more. Knowledgeable people exist in both places however most the time very few people post on here which is why Facebook is looking like a better option.  I've torn the carb down and rebuilt it and yet no fast idle. It's not worth messing with. If I had a way to and the money I'd rip the thing off, throw it away and go EFI. Give me EFI and I know a lot. Give me carb and I don't. And this seems to be something that has to be seen in person to fix since I have followed directions perfectly. It runs great when warm but ZERO fast idle. If it was junk inside it wouldn't run. I've been there in 2006 with the 77 Pinto and its original carb. But in other news the car will drive ok to the car show. Just not much more since the suspension is rattling. The car will be parked after the car show season is done so I can tear apart the entire front suspension, including new rack and pinion.


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dick1172762

I've seen many on farcebook that didn't know were to put oil into their Pinto. Some didn't know if the thing under the hood was a 2.0L or a 2.3L, I think the people that could help you the most are on this web site. I know you have been fighting the carb issue for a long time. The holley / weber is a very simple carb when you put them along side a carb or FI for a new car. Here is what I know from past over hauls of the carb. #1 Remove the linkage from the choke.  #2 Remove the screws that hold the top of the carb on.  #3  Remove the complete top of the carb and turn it over so the float is pointing upwards.  #4  See where the float is located. There should be aprox a 1/4 (.250) of clearance between the float and the carb cover.  #5  Remove the main jets one at a time so you don't put them back in the wrong hole. Make sure they are clean. Then zoop the remaining gas from the carb. I use a plastic bottle with tube sticking  out of the top. Mash the bottle and stick the tube into the gas. Look in the holes were the jets go for trash. Use low air pressure to blow the holes out. Now look at the power valve in the bottom of the float bowl. If damaged replace it.  #6  Remove the idle mixture screw and blow it out with low pressure air.  #7 Pray its fixed. #8  Put it all back together. It takes very little trash to screw the carb up. Hopes this helps.
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r4pinto

Then again maybe not. The linkage is there. I quit. Screw the d@&$ thing. It isn't right and won't be. Will drive it as is. Maybe someone in person can shed some light. Nobody on here can seem to figure it out. And have better luck on Facebook getting responses since most are on there. It runs and drives just not as well as I would like. For now this chapter is at a standstill. I ordered a new left front shock absorber and once the car show season is over the car will go on jack stands for a complete front end rebuild. Some knocking from the front end is starting so I know I need ball joints. I have a complete kit I bought on eBay years ago and also have new front cool springs. Add a new steering rack and it will be able to be aligned as well. Not giving up on the car, just going to put it to rest while the suspension is rebuilt. Rear leaf springs are solid as a rock so those are good. Cool springs may be also but brand new in box I bought for the 77 and never used. I have one shock currently and a second ordered. It'll drive stiffer after with no noises


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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Car was cold this morning so I tried to start the car. No luck. No spark again. pushed the wire and connector on the coil and it started to fire up. Plugs  got a little fouled but once cleaned off it ran fine. No fast idle when I got to thinking... The choke assembly came off the car too easy. Missing linkage from the assembly to the carb. Hard for the car to run right without it. It runs ok when warmed up but the choke doesn't do its job currently, and no fast idle without that part. I have the linkage on my spare carb so I will put it on the main carb for now. Better than nothing.
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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Nope just me. Told him about it but didn't seem too interested


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dga57

It sounds like you're about ready to roll!  Should be an exciting trip.  Is your Dad going with you?


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r4pinto

Quote from: dick1172762 on August 16, 2017, 01:03:26 PM
Make sure you have a spare fuel filter, timing belt, and fan belt. Those three items should cover 90% of what could go wrong.
Sorry if the response was a little short. I know you're trying to help.

Anyways the test drive went well. New wires and choke adjusted made for a happy car. I also found the choke coil I was going to use was bad. Lastly I adjusted the curb idle to 800rpm and now she runs very smooth.


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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Ain't my first rodeo. I got it covered.


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dick1172762

Make sure you have a spare fuel filter, timing belt, and fan belt. Those three items should cover 90% of what could go wrong.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

r4pinto

Quote from: phils toys on August 15, 2017, 07:28:49 PM
Lots of good work. See you soon.

Thanks Phil, you had seen Harold II and knew of the issues I had with the fire back in 2012 on this car. It'll be a treat to drive her to the car show Friday night.

So last night I started the car, and it took quite a bit to get her fired up but she ran. Didn't idle too well but I still need to adjust the carburetor's fast idle, and choke. I have an old Sears engine analyzer so I will be able to get her adjusted to 1980 specs. The carb was adjusted to 1977 specs, and ran well once upon a time. When the 77's days were numbered the carb got quirky. I never adjusted it since at the time I was going to use the car's original carburetor. Well, even after cleaning it never ran so I was forced to use the 77 carb.

I am going to make sure I have plenty of fluids in the car, as well as tools so if anything happens I'm covered... In theory. Looking forward to her debut to the Pinto community. Got some 0000 steel wool so I can polish up the trim, as well as clean the windows. There is plenty of overspray on all windows, and read from many sources this will take care of it.
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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

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Lots of good work. See you soon.
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dick1172762

Think of all the Pinto story's you can tell at the car show. Have fun / that's what its all about.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

r4pinto

Update. New Walker Thundercore Ultra wires have the car running a little better. She gave me a fit with spark but found out it was an issue at the coil connector opposed to a wire issue. Still no fast idle so got to read up on how to fix that. Curb idle feels good once it warms up


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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dick1172762

Had the primary side of the carb plug up. It would idle but only run wide open on the secondary. Drove it 30 miles home that way, Idle / wide open / coast / idle / wide open / coast / etc etc. Never got stopped even after 30 miles thru Denver.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

r4pinto

Yeah, the 77 Pinto I used to have left me stranded on the side of the road in 2006 with a plugged up carburetor due to rust, this Pinto left me on the side of the road with a blown left front tire and leaky accelerator pump (day I bought it ). My parents had an 85 Celebrity that lost a fuel pump in PA, the previous mentioned Cavalier problem, 86 Tempo had a bad lead going to the ignition coil, 86 Olds Calais lost a radiator side tank, Headlight on the 77 Pinto, rear brakes blew out on the 77 Pinto.... I've had too many break downs to not have tools and spare parts. Luck is not something I have lol.

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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dick1172762

Only time in the past that I had trouble was a float sticking in the carb. Had to raise the hood and bang on the carb with a wrench. Drive 10 miles and do it again, etc, etc.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

r4pinto

Quote from: dick1172762 on August 13, 2017, 12:18:05 PM
We seem to be reading each others mind's. X files? Keep up the good work. Not only can you never have too many Pinto parts, you can never have too much information.

Haha you never know. The other three wires will be kept for spares. In 1997 I had an issue with a bad plug wire on a 1984 Cavalier wagon. Broke and had no spares. Ever since I've kept spare wires when swapping wires. A coworker things that's stupid but he's never had a break down due to a simple wire, carburetor, v-belt, etc. The car runs good but if I break down I have a few spare parts to keep the car going.
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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dick1172762

We seem to be reading each others mind's. X files? Keep up the good work. Not only can you never have too many Pinto parts, you can never have too much information.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

r4pinto

Quote from: dick1172762 on August 13, 2017, 12:02:29 PM
Get a tube of dow coring compound from your parts store. It looks like clear grease and it will not conduct spark.  Smear it into the boots and you will never have a problem removing the boots in the future. Does not melt or run off ever.

Already ahead of you on that. Got that covered. The boots on the old wires came off the plugs with no issue. Just the bad wire itself where the electrical connector broke off the wire. Could I have fixed it? Possibly but the wires were last replaced in around 2008 on the 77 the motor came out of and didn't want to chance it.

I pulled out my 1980 Ford manuals and went ahead and tested both the spare coil, and one on the car. Both tested good which made my day. I will see what I can find on testing the modules so I can make sure they are good as well.

I also swapped the choke assembly so it's ready of adjustment. The car should start up much better with the choke and fast idle cam adjusted since the car had no fast idle.
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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress