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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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larjohnson

WOW!!!! WOW!!!! WOW!!!! What a fantastic find.  That is so cool 8) you have been able to get your hands on these types of items.  It's like finding a buried treasure or time capsule, isn't it?  Anyway, every once in a while I too come across something from my past, just a strange circumstance causing it, like it was meant for me to find it for some reason.  I'm soooo happy :) when I do, I then move it to a safe place, where I'll never lose track of it again.  And remember, I'll continue to keep you in my prayers :angel:, good luck...  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

78squirewagon

That's pretty cool stuff. I have a 1978 WI plate that I put on at shows. I know that I have all of the plate for my other cars that I have had over the years and I will eventually turn them into bird houses and feeders (Except for my 70PLYSS).
The keys look original and if they feel kinda "soft and plyable" then they are the real ones. Just dont use them too much because they break really easy.


COOL STUFF


M
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

discolives78

Ok, I feel alright today. I went with my brother on a little 'errand' today, and was handsomely (I think) rewarded for the effort. First the pretty good news. I made it most of the way thru the day without the cane. Very encouraging!
My mood is still up, but I'm taking a break from that for some good clean entertainment.


I'm listening to 'Fly Robin Fly' and I got to thinking, it's kinda late, but I should share this with my friends:



Well that's not the best picture, but





I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure these keys are from the original purchase of the car, they 'feel' different than my chromed brass keys. There are two tin tags that have a code on them (one for each key), and two tags with the 5 digit number, one's a stub, the other has the description of the car and the last 6 digits of my vin. I'm guessing I should hold on to these? These were found in a box in my friend's closet during the week with a couple other things like:

Copies of the registration for different years for her and her dad.

Some maintenance records

Her plate thats on my car in the polaroids



The bottom plate was from my Peugeot (I just like the frame ;D)

Her dad's plate (issued 1978, expired apr 86) now on the front of my car, full circle. (you can do that here, it's just like having a novelty plate)

Her roommate (my brother's mother in law :)) said she found 4 pics of the car when it was wrecked. Of course the house is pretty chaotic right now, when they turn up, she's going to call me and I'll share them here. There's documentation. I was wrong about the date, the car was wrecked in 1992. It sat for so long at the shop that the plate was cancelled and they gave her a new one. I have this license plate too. How many of you guys have every license plate ever registered to your car? New Mexico is plate-to-owner, so every time it's sold you get a new plate. Texas gave new plates every 8 years when I was there in 1990-1991.

Chuck :afro:




A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

Yes, the truth IS out there!

and...

Knowledge is power! (I am a strong believer of this one).
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78



I'm not going down without a fight! I'm going to research everything they say, everything they will give me a copy of. I have a mental self image. I stand on my own two feet. I get what I want.

I feel like I'm in school though, I feel tired, but determined. Check my mental state:







That's just a taste, my stack is about an inch thick. The doctors are going to hate me! :lol:

The truth is out there!
Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dga57

Chuck,

Your multiple physical problems may seem insurmountable at times but the attitude you exhibit is phenomenal.  Hang in there... you'll make it!

Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers,
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

discolives78

You know, things like this start mildly and innocently, and sometimes in youth when it's not expected. I can sympathise with your pastor about "headache/flu". I started seeing doctors about 10 years ago with mild complaints: headaches, tiredness, appetite/weight fluctuations, body/muscle aches. The doctors all had about the same thing to say, "you're a young guy, you work pretty hard, party, and do alot in your 'spare' time. At 26, 185 pounds at 6'4", their advice was to 'take a little break', 'slow down a little', 'get a little more rest', 'watch what you eat', 'quit smoking'. So year by year, I slowed down, stopped partying, got more rest, paid more attention to my diet (when I could eat). Little pains started happening in random places. The doctors told me there was nothing physically wrong with me. Then any kind of touch started feeling uncomfortable. First I shyed away from my love life, she thought I couldn't touch her and she couldn't touch me because it was 'her'. As the sensations got more intense, I started to shy away from shaking hands, and rough housing like I did when I was younger. My analytical brain needed a justification for the physical pain. Poor memory/depression/confusion caused my analytical brain to subsitute memories for sensations. When it started happening, a lot of good memories were hard to find, so my mind started slipping in the next best thing. Trauma. After 4 years of subconsiuously doing this, I had a nervous breakdown and was hospitalized. That was 3 1/2 years ago. Intense mental treatment resulted in 'starts and stops'. Projects stopped getting done because it hurt to move/touch things, and every pain reinforced the trauma, hence the PTSD diagnosis. Physical symptoms were diagnosed "anxiety/depression". Enter Lorazepam. Initially it offered mild relief, as the weeks passed the effects lessened. Up the dose by dr. advice, 1mg to 2mg to 4mg to 5mg. Last June the feelings were intense, and the pills were offering almost no comfort. I forgot I took it, and took it again. Overdose. 3 days in the hospital. Changed to Vistaril. I'd feel good, start something, feel pain, and stop. The treatment also put the physical stuff on the back burner, until November. I was starting my new job. I was so nervous I couldn't stand it. I wanted to make sure I could do my best. I got a checkup and bloodwork. Good cholesterol 2pts low, B12 dangerously low. Everything else fine. Good liver/thyroid/kidney function. Still complaining about not much energy, my doc told me to start taking b12 supplements. 3 weeks later, severe stomach cramps, no appetite, severe pain. I stopped taking the supplements and started getting injections. Of course, touch is pain, so I put off getting the shots, just like 2 years ago when another doctor diagnosed the anemia, 3 shots and I couldn't take anymore. I started, and started moving and doing things again, but I was sleeping alot. Like Dave, my only refuge was sleep. I would sleep for 12-14 hours a day, but it would be fitful sleep, and I'd wake up feeling like I'd been hit by a truck. After 3 months at the upholstery shop, I was having difficulty standing for very long, the sensations in my hands were almost unbearable, and I was having some strange involuntary movements. I ignored signs of physical problems, associating the tingling/shaking/rapid heartbeat/chest tightness as 'anxiety'. I take Vistaril (a derivative/relative of Benadryl) for 'anxiety', as it's safer than the Lorazepam. I stopped taking it within the last few days because it wasn't helping, just like the benzo's. Also, I know now that it wasn't anxiety.

This will all take some time to sort out. I just watched a good friend lose her life because she waited too long to address her health. She suspected 2 years before she went to a doctor. When she finally went, a marble size lump in her breast had metastecised. It was stage 3, liver, stomach, lungs and brain.

I haven't hardly let anyone touch me in 6 years. I've missed out on the physical bonds of the human condition and felt very lonely, even when surrounded by people. I stopped going out because I was in pain. The agorophobia sprouted because I was simply afraid that someone would touch me/bump into me/etc. and I knew that it would hurt. I've started to let that go. I embraced my loved ones and my friend's loved ones at her finishing ceremony (I don't like the 'f' word :'(). I am now willing to accept a certain amount of pain in exchange for the warmth and comfort of others. Hopefully the pain will be managed well, and I will live a long life. No matter, I want to know that my time here is well spent.

I certainly don't want to miss out on anything. Time is short and I want to taste everything life holds for me. If it hurts to walk, at least I can walk. If I don't have anything, at least I will be able to see that I don't have anything. Each step is a blessing, each sensation, every sight. Take good care of yourself, Pinto people.

Thank all of you for your support.
Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

larjohnson

Wow Buddy, hate to hear of your health concerns.  I think we as humans sometimes just take our health for granted, never knowing that in the blink of an eye, we could go from healthy to unhealthy.  A pastor from our church, in great health, walking from his office to his home one day, had a mild stroke.  Thinking it was nothing more than a headache, and maybe the flu, he held off going to the emergency room for about 16 hours.  Once there and diagnosed, the treatment began.  That was 9 months ago, and he's still not recuperated.  I wish you the best, and will keep you in my prayers.  Good luck....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Chuck
Sorry to hear about your most recent problem.  When my wife experienced a similar phenomenon about ten years ago, it ended up being diagnosed as Fibromyalgia.  That predates her problems with bi-polar and the stroke that occurred a couple of years ago. 
Wishing you the best, man.
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

75bobcatv6

keep that positive attitude my friend and in time you will do well. I personally live with spinal stenosis ( also know as Spinal degeneration). ive lost two inches over the last 5 years or more. went from 6ft1 to 5ft11. i understand pain, and its management weather herbal or narcotic. I choose neither. i manage it by blocking it out of my mind. meditation helps.

beegle55

Wow. I hate to hear that. I hope you can get to the bottom of this and the bloodwork will help figure out what is going wrong. I'll pray for you and I hope you find a solution to your problem.  :)

    -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
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1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
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discolives78

What a beautiful spring day here in the Land of Enchantment!

I went on a mission today with my new found confidence. I drove to Bernalillo (20 minutes on the freeway at 70) to drop off my dog with his buddy "Charlie". Then a shopping trip, then a trip to my friend Gordon's house. Sounds like a pretty good trip, huh?

I sat down at Gordon's house, and after 1/2 hour of chit-chat, I need a smoke. No smoking indoors, clearly understood. (besides, I prefer to pollute fresh air ;D). I pull out my pouch of Top, and roll me a nice splief, and I can't get up.

Gordon helped me to my feet and I had a lot of trouble steadying myself and finding my balance. I was in intense pain-everywhere. So a trip to the emergency room. A lot of talking between them and some to me (with my printouts of my research in hand) we decided a trip to a pain specialist and a neurologist is in order, along with bloodwork, stat.

I'm home, but I'm walking with a cain, and everything still hurts, the only pain meds they offered me were narco's, and I've had trouble in the past, you know :evil:. I chose to stick to my natural pain meds  :coolrasta: for now as I already have trouble swallowing the 5 pills I have to take already, even one-by-one.

My mental state is good, my outlook is good, but man, everything hurts. :(

I'll check in when I can, but I probably won't get much done with my car soon. That's good because it looks and runs great.

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

Glad to hear you found out more about your condition. I don't know if it is something that is curable, but it reminds me of what I was like before I really started getting into the workplace and "getting out". I'm better now, but I still fall back into little stages and I am squirmy and wonder what is wrong with me, but anything that I do just doesn't satisfy. Eating doesn't make me feel better, a shower, movie, leaving the phone off. For about two years the only thing I looked forward to each day was going to bed to sleep. Sleep was the only peace I ever got, and often still is. Then the stress pops in and gives me restless sleep and not even that helps.

I will keep you in my prayers Chuck, here's to hoping you well!  :drunk: :drunk:
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

That's so true, Chuck- about the music. I guess that's why I've been collecting songs that my Mom listened to when I was a child. It keeps me close to her. Sometimes they even bring back memories.

        Your PA w/ PND sounds a little like what my Mom had a year before she left us. Hers was a neuropathy caused by diabetes. She went through hell just being alive. One side of her body was "on fire" so laying down, riding in a car, shifting positions, etc. were forms of torture. It was the only time I ever heard her want to end her own life. It was replaced eventually with something more scary.

      I hope the PA w/ PND is curable or can at least be put under control. I'm sending you warm wishes and hope for you to get well.
One can never have too many Pintos!

discolives78

Well I guess my health is one of my projects, so I'm gonna park it here for a minute. This has been a bittersweet week. I lost someone very dear, but I gained a lot of insight into how life and the universe and whatnot work, so I'm gonna share. It's not about the Pinto right now, so If that's what you're looking for, come back another time, thanks for stopping in. :drunk:

On the health front, here's one for you medical guys: Pernicious Anemia with Peripheral Nerve Damage (aka peripheral neuropathy)

That's a mouthful, huh? I've done alot of reading on the subject, and it explains a lot about what I've been thru. It manifested as mental symptoms, but started as a physical condition from a vitamin deficiency. Symptoms are a lot like depression, though. People suffering start pulling away, because the slightest touch is painful. In it's advanced state people don't leave the house because their skin is so sensitive they can't handle shoes and socks touching their feet.

I have a lot to talk to my doctors about on Tuesday now!

On the homefront, my friend blew me away again! She left me her 8 track recorder/turntable/am-fm stereo, about 20 records, 15 8 tracks and 15 cassettes, all stuff we used to listen to together when we talked. It's kinda like losing my mom, I started listening to her music to keep the bond alive. Music is an important factor in the human condition.

Enough for Today
Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

discolives78

So I got the turn signal switch fixed (I guess you all know that by now ::))

Haven't been up to much lately, I'm trying to spend at least an hour or two outside every day, more if I can stand it. My car looks pretty good right now, so I'm probably going to tinker with something else for a while.

It looks like I'm getting the 78 back bumper guards from Carolina Boy, so my car will look like it's supposed to, not like a 77. He also sent me some other parts (we worked out a trade ;D). They will get installed, and I'll put pics up when it's done.

I'm just filling out paperwork and 'jumping thru hoops', like a good boy :angel:. Hopefully I'll get a good tax return and have some more money to spend. :look:

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

Good to hear you are feeling better Chuck! I was starting to worry. 71pintoracer is inspirational! :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

I took your advice. I dusted myself off and went for a cruise. It wasn't easy, but I did it!

Check out my adventure:

http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php/topic,11691.0.html

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A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

71pintoracer

Been feeling a little antisocial lately, so forgive me if I don't jump in like I usually do :lost:

Chuck
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We all have our moments Chuck, hang in there and remember, we're all friends here so feel free to vent if you need to!  :mad:
Like Dwayne said, when you are dealing with agencies like that you get the same answer every time: hurry up and wait! :cheesy_n:
I'm thankful to be relatively healthy despite being a type 1 insulin dependant diabetic (30+ years!)  :D
I enjoy reading your posts and the information you bring to the site as well as links to outside info, I'm sure others do as well. Hang tough good friend, oh and BTW,
I've found that a nice long ride in a Pinto can do wonders for your mood!!  :laugh:
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

dga57

Good luck with that, Chuck!  My wife has been waiting almost two years and still no Social Security!  It's a long, drawn-out process and there are hoops you have to jump through.  In the end, it will all work out.
Keep the faith.  Good luck!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

discolives78

I got the wood trim on the dash. I mounted the a/c style console and filled the hole with a piece of trim from a 72 (with the pinto emblem!). I fixed the horn.

Next step is to replace the turn signal cam (right one doesn't cancel). Then it's on to the carpet, and hopefully I'll be able to live with my interior for a while. An 8 track player is on my list, I just haven't found the right one yet.

I had a meeting with the Social Security people about my disability yesterday. The paperwork's all done. There's nothing comforting about a government employee saying 'now we wait...' though.

No pics of the improvements, if you haven't watched my you-tube video yet, that's where you can see everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBE17mcwBYY

Been feeling a little antisocial lately, so forgive me if I don't jump in like I usually do :lost:

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

TIGGER

Chuck, the wheel turned out great.  It looks right at home in your car.  I am glad you are happy with it.  Tigger
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

beegle55

Looking good, the interior is really taking a nice road to recovery. Sorry to hear about your health, I hope things get worked out.  :)

    -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

dave1987

Wow.....It's PERFECT in your car! I'm not trying to be overly dramatic, but it really looks great. The new steering wheel really changes the interior appearance and gives it that luxury feel! I likey, I likey a lot!  8) 8)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

I saw that steering wheel on ebay!!! I thought about getting it, but it doesn't go with my brown interior!!! Looks great in your car!!!!

Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

discolives78

Thanks Dwayne. It's comforting to know I'm not alone. My prayers are with you too. Unfortunately, I wasn't successful with relationships. Your wife is blessed to have you. :angel:

So here's a project I got done without leaving the property. An e-bay score, and I really like the way it looks, get ready!






The rim is in pretty good shape. It had a black plastic trim that I swapped out for the wood trim from a Bobcat. I also cut out the molded in crest in the horn button and installed the one from the Bobcat.



Now all I have to do is adjust the holes on the dash for the wood trim 78squirewagon sent me. I got the blue a/c console in too, but that was after these pics were taken. Thanks again Mark! ;D

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dga57

Hey Chuck!
Sorry to hear you're having problems again.  My wife suffers from agorophobia also and her psychiatrist just suggested treating it with hypnosis... says it has been very successful.  Have you ever tried that?  We're looking for some kind of answer because getting her out of the house is becoming increasingly difficult.  My thoughts and prayers are with you!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

discolives78

Well, it's been a while since I did any 'projects'. I've been out of work for 3 weeks because of health problems again. I've been keeping busy with small stuff as I can, and selling some parts to get a little extra cash. I've been battling with agorophobia, so I don't get out often or for long. I'm glad this site is here, you all have become my extended family. We get to remind each other to cherish the small things in life, and encourage each other to keep going. I got the factory sport mirrors with remotes from a 79 wagon on the last trip to u-pull (I usually can't go alone, it's bonding time for me and my brother) They're cherry, except for the oxidized light blue paint and the missing right glass. Hopefully I'll get to that this week. I haven't done my timing belt yet, and the backfire is back (louder too), so I probably need to do some carb work and check the timing. I went to a friend's house (the Corvair nut) to borrow a timing light last week. We spent time walking around his lot and talking about the 15 or so cars on hand from a 63 corvair convertible to my old Peugeot (how we met) to a handfull of Citroen DS's and a Citroen 2cv 'truckette'. Then we went into his garage, and  talked about the Fiat 600 Multipla he has, and he gave me a couple 8 track tapes, Ford Motor Company Presents...Stereo for Today 1975 and Stereo for the 80's, and they work! We listened to most of Stereo for the 80's on his 8 track in the garage, and I had a peaceful drive home. Then I remembered I forgot the timing light. Well, that's my story for today.

Peace to All
Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

Naw, it's cool. Sounds to be in about the same shape mine is in with hard water damage. They just had to go and use aluminum bumpers on the 78, didn't they? :(

What I could use more is a front bumper, as mine has so many DEEP scratches on the corners, and warped upwards on the drivers side corner, that it's surprising the body isn't crushed on these areas.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

The original bumper is shiny on top and faded (clouded, water streaked) on the lower half. there is a fairly deep scratch on the left side face and a red paint transfer scuff on the lower rear corner, and the usual "mild" scratches associated with it being 30 years old and seldom garaged. It sits straight and the aluminum is solid. (this car has never seen salt) I can get some better pictures to you tomorrow or tuesday.

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.