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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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hellfirejim

Chuck,

Listen, do what you have to do and most likely the hardest part is after you sell the car to let go and remember it is no longer yours.  tehy , the new owners, will want to make changes just as you did and so be it.  As in life things changes.  Those that survive adapt and go on....

As for youe signature block, I am honored....
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


blupinto

I don't know, as I've only been a bidder, not a seller. I have seen people who are selling state that they can end the auction at any time. As for buyers with no feedback being banned... a buyer has to be able to buy to get feedback, so I don't believe folks are banned from bidding- you the seller have to make concessions (?) to make sure the buyer doesn't flake and leave you holding the bag.

The decision to keep Buttercup is ultimately up to you, but I'll confess to hoping you keep her. She's too special of a car- aside from the fact she's a Pinto! lol. Your health comes first Chuck, and you need to look long-term to help you decide whether to keep her. I know you don't want her modified (automatic tranny swapped, p/s added, etc.) because you want her originality kept intact. Remember, though, you already modified her (woodgrain dash strip from earlier Pinto, emblems with red-white-blue- also from an earlier Pinto, Mustang II steering wheel, side mirror (aftermarket), rims, etc.)

     Whatever you decide Chuck we'll be behind you. Get Well!  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

discolives78

Good Morning Pinto Guys and Dolls! ;D

Well, there is good news today! I got approved for State disability, so I have some income. I got back pay from May to July in one lump sum so I got to catch up on my bills and needs, and I got insurance for Buttercup. I drove her up here today, and I didn't do that bad, so I'm reconsidering the decision to sell. I appreciate everyone's input and concern. The car has 3 days left on e-bay, and only one bid. I can't figure out how to delete the ad, as I'm actually hoping now that it DOESN'T sell! If anyone knows how to end an auction early, I'm listening. The only bidder has NO feedback! I could have sworn I blocked bids from people with less than 3 positive.

Cheers! :)
Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

discolives78

My car is for sale on e-bay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-Ford-Pinto-Sedan_W0QQitemZ180384104318QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item29ffbaff7e&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A317

I need to sell this car soon and replace it. It's difficult to walk the mile to the train station in the New Mexico heat! It's around 100 degrees here in July!

I've lowered the price to $1600...with a lower reserve!

Have mercy!

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

popbumper

Sorry Chuck, bum deal, that's lousy. I hope it all works out for you.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

discolives78

Well, she's still here. John got here early this morning and we went for a short ride and talked for a good hour-and-a-half. He's a really nice guy, and like most of us, he's looking for 'the one. In the end, it wasn't his cup of tea, so he went away empty handed. I think the 74 is more his taste. The 'french cut' front end and half&half taillights are an acquired taste. That means my plans of checking out the wagon got put off  :(

Oh well...

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

discolives78

Well, you can tell a lot about how a car's been treated in the first few minutes with it. The factory seat belt and key-in buzzers work, the driver door hinges are tight (it doesn't 'drop' when you open it and you don't have to lift it to close it). The dome light comes on the instant the door is opened. The locks work smoothly, all doors and trunk open and close right.  There's no resistance turning the key in any of the locks, the glove box doesn't rattle, nor does the glass or any plastic panels. The taillights are as perfect as you could ask for, very minimal fading. All of the trim around the windows is intact. The pedals are straight and in their proper positions. The reverse lockout on the shifter still works (you have to push down to go into reverse) Every light bulb works except the light in the radio. The seatbelts all pull out and retract, latch and release. The emergency brake holds the car on a hill in neutral. The fuel gauge works smoothly all the way from empty to full and back down. The speeodometer needle works smoothly indicating not much wear in the gears or cable. The washers work and the wipers work on both speeds. I have kept the blades 'fresh' so there aren't the 'arc' scratches common on the windshield. The horn works but the sound is off a bit. The turn signal switch works just like new as it was just rebuilt. I've added a lot of tidbits from other Ford cars over the years to dress up this 'plain-jane' workhorse sedan.

The car was bought new outright (no loan) in late 1977 at Rich Ford in Albuquerque, and used by it's original owner (retired) to get to the grocery store and church until 1986, when he passed away. The car had an estimated 28,000 miles at that time. His daughter inherited the car at that time and started using it as her daily driver. She drove it until 1998. It was in wreck in 1991 or 1992. The front fender, hood, grille, and bumper were replaced and the entire car was repainted. There was no frame or suspension damage. I have pictures of the car before it was repaired showing the damage. The car does not have a salvage title. The car has four plates for three owners because the car sat so long at the body shop that the plates lapsed. When the car was completed, new plates were issued. She continued to drive it. The car overheated one day and she had it towed home. The mechanic told her it probably had a bad block as anti-freeze was spewing from the 'front of the engine'. Disheartened, she parked the car. That was the last time the car was driven until I entered the picture and resurrected her in 2003.

Here's the laundry list of 'cherry-picked' options I've added to the car over the years:

Blue Vinyl Pinstripes
Dual Sport mirrors (not remote)
Woodgrain appliques to dash and Ford 'Custom' steering wheel. Woodgrain shift knob and e-brake
14x6.5 American Racing Aluminum wheels with 185/60R14 tires on front and 215/75R14 rear.
Tires purchased new fronts in 2004 and new rears in 2005. Less than 10k miles on tires.
Glove box light.
Chrome Cigar lighter and Chrome ashtray knob.
Chrome turn signal knob and heater control knobs.
5.5 inch speakers front, 6x9 speakers rear deck. AM/FM cassette player in textured bezel.
New velour seat covers front and rear.
A/C style adjustable dash vents and console with wood applique.
Deluxe bumper group (guards and protective rub strips)
Metal raingutter trim from early model
Halogen headlights

This car was a very base model radio delete car. The next step lower was a 'Pony' which would have had a black dash.

All in all, this car will not dissappoint. At the price, it's a great value, and a car that can be enjoyed while you do the finishing touches.

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dyerjg

Chuck,

I have been looking at all the pics and I am amaxed at how far you came with her. I'm a old guy, but I feel like a kid again looking at her. I know I will have good times taking care of the pinto. She is going into the garage and I am going to get her ready for All Ford Nationals in Carlilse for next year and the following year birthday celebration. I go to the All Ford Nationals every year with my good friend Tom (78Squire). He just bought a 78 Squire wagon that looks and runs great.  He is a member here too.  I look forward to meeting you Saturday and wish you luck with the wagon you are looking at.  I'm sure we will be trading stories of Pintos for years to come.

See you Saturday!

John

discolives78

Welcome back, John! :) :welcome:

As most of you know by now, a deal has been made on the car, and it should be in new hands on Saturday.

To John:

There is much reading that can be done on this car on the site. I think there are bits of info in many threads. I've been very happy with this car, and in building it, it wasn't my intention to sell it, so heart went into it, not just time and money. I invite you to check out the gallery if you haven't yet, there are many pics of her there. There are also project threads outlining the rebuilding of the Turn signal switch and radio. I hope you will be as happy as I have been, and I'll do everything in my power to make sure it's a smooth transition. :)

To everybody:

I have a line on a 79 wagon with automatic and p/s p/b in Santa Fe. It's a fixer-upper (which is good because I need something to tinker with. I'm going to look at it this weekend. Stay tuned!

Chuck :afro:

http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php/topic,11698.0.html

http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php/topic,11921.0.html

http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php/topic,11733.0.html

http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php?action=gallery;su=user;cat=97;u=7260

http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php?action=gallery;su=user;cat=70;u=7260




A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

r4pinto

What Phil said.... Glad to see somebody got the car that won't just trash it up. It was too nice a car for just anybody to get it.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

phils toys

2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

dyerjg

Thanks guys, I was on the Forum years ago as "jdpinto", so I'm not really new, just haven't been around.

John

75bobcatv6

Welcome john, Awesome that you got Chucks car now. Im sure it will have a great home. and maybe you can help chuck find one right for him ?

dga57

 :welcome:  John,

So glad to know that Chuck's Pinto has found a good home!  We'll be looking forward to your updates.

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

dyerjg, welcome aboard. I'm sure you will enjoy the time you spend on this site with that car that is coming from a very nice guy. Look forward to getting to know the new owner of Chuck's car.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dyerjg

Chuck, I just read this complete thread and I am touched that I am getting a pinto that has seen the love and caring that you have given it.  I too am a old pinto guy. This Pinto is replacing my 74 sedan that I had to sell in hard times.  I feel like I'm coming home to a wonderful car that I already care for.

Can't wait to pick it up, and beleive me, it has a good home and you will see any and all changes that I do to it.

John

discolives78

An update.

First: I have no intentions of 'ditching' the Pinto Club.

Second: A tentative offer has been made on the car (from someone about 500 miles from here)

Third: I'm going to be looking for a cheap 'beater' Pinto with an automatic.

Basically, nobody in my family (here or on the outside) wants to see me sell this Pinto, but if I have to, then everybody would prefer for me to get another Pinto to replace it. Chuck without a Pinto is no Chuck at all. My family is used to me selling a Pinto and replacing it shortly afterward.

So just chill, ok  :drunk:
Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

phils toys

Disco
sorry about your decision, I know how hard it would be for me to get rid of my bobcat, and i have only been in to pinto for about 4 yrs. if we were closer and i had money i have the  4 door maverick  auto and power stearing you are in search of. but we are on the oppsite side of the country. anyway sorry  i am not able to help  right now. i will keep watching  and see if i can in the future.
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

dave1987

We need to find a very nice Pinto member close to Chuck. Perhaps they will do the swap for him so he can keep his Pinto.....I would do it in a heartbeat if I wasn't on the opposite side of the states (northern).
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

75bobcatv6

Well my friend, I hope that someone here can do just that and buy her from you and she goes to a good home. If i was made of money Believe you me, She would be in my parkin space right now. I grew up in these cars. I wouldn't trade those experiences or the one that I have now. not for the world would I give her up unless it was for one of my kids. They arent just a car to me they are a way of life.

discolives78

It is tempting to switch the car to an automatic transmission...

But, I am somewhat of a purist, believing that a car's original mechanical configuration is best because there are almost always 'tidbits' that get overlooked in the swap. That's reason one. Then there is the thought of whether I would be able to complete the project (I'm having great difficulty in this area right now). I don't want to start what will turn into a two year project. That's the second reason.

Now, my dear friend DJ, bless her soul :angel:, taught me some life lessons. She held onto things from tragic circumstances (her husband & father's death) to the bitter end without necessarily being able to care for them herself (see the pics of the car when I first got it). That's reason number 3. I have deliberated alot about this decision, and it's ok. I need periodic change to 'shake things up'. Sometimes in life we just need to move on.

I'm only offering the car in the Pinto community right now as it is important that if she changes hands, it's to a good home.

Life changes and needs change. I was blessed all the while, this Pony earned her keep. :)

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

smallfryefarm

chuck i have a auto trans and bell. no convertor. if it will help you keep your car i will send it to you.
i am leaving for vac. wont be back till the 13th. i have never ran it but it should be a good trans. like i said let me know send pm i will send it to you when i get back.
Smallfryefarms Horsepower Ranch

75bobcatv6

chuck let us know what we can do to help other then buying that nice pinto of yours. if we can get you a transmission can you keep her? or a p/s pump and rack and the line? let us know im sure we can all pitch in to help somehow. Selling the one worldly possesssion a dear departed friend had sold you is the worst.

blupinto

Ohhhh Chuck! You've done it damn you! You got me crying too.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Damn my governor for cutting my pay! I want to send you some cash so bad and also chip in to convert Buttercup to an automatic so you can keep her. You bought her from your dear friend who was reluctant to sell her to you. It can't have been easy a decision. I want to help you keep her if I can. Damn this economy. Where's the stimulus Obama!?  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( I think we all want to help if we can Chuck.
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

I'm just visiting at my parents to pay my phone bill right now and check up on a few threads, for some reason I have found you and your pinto to be very close friends, and everything you post seems to strike my interest. It is very sad to hear you have to give up your beauty, I am in a similar situation right now where I cannot drive mine due to lack of funds to register it, it may be months before I can drive her again. :(

I soo wish I could come down and buy your car from you, just to help you out. Hell, I would even swap out the tranny for an auto for you and give the car back to you!

I hope you won't be leaving your fellow Pinto owners, I would hate to see your drop off these wonderful message boards.

Here's to a great guy who goes by the name of Chuck!  :drunk: :drunk:
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

75bobcatv6

it was not Just an offer, im extending my hand here to help you get the parts you need to make this one so you can keep her. and im Hoping some others here will back me on this and help we dont want to see you lose a car that is very dear to you.

discolives78

That's a kind offer, but even with a 'stimulus'( :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:) that wouldn't solve the problem that I need a car with an automatic (and preferrably power steering). I am hoping that putting the line out will land me with a suitable replacement...

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

75bobcatv6

Chuck im so sorry to hear that you have to sell her. that really sucks. Im sure someone here can help you get an Auto for it. fred maybe even. anything we can do to help you keep her?

discolives78

 :'(

You're gonna make me start crying (again :() It's going to be hard to part with her, my 'Buttercup'. Six years thru thick and thin, thru upgrades: stereos, seat covers, wheels, pinstripes, the wood trim...and the loving massages under her greasy hood (very late into the night at times...the time I spent on the kitchen floor with the empty Bud case full of carb pieces...replacing the waterpump...fixing all the lights...I should stop there... :'(

Hopefully my Pony will find a good home, this is a great chance for one of you to get a great starter Pinto ;)

Hopefully another Pony will find it's way to me and the saga will continue...

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress