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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

bbobcat75

1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

71HANTO

I got some important things done since my last post that I can check off my list getting ready for Dearborn in July. I finished all the mounting points for the Lexan windows. A big job to get everything flush with all the compound angles of the window frames. The headlight buckets are one of the worst aerodynamic features of the car as they trap air like little parachutes causing a lot of drag at higher speeds. I decided why fight it when I can take advantage of the pressurized air to cool the brakes (plus less dust up high). So here's my solution. I used hot water heater vent hoods (Home Depot) and plastic 3 inch, 60 degree bend air intake piping (Kragen Auto). I topped it off with motorcycle headlight rock guards. I will be running 3 inch brake cooling hose to a housing that encloses most of the brake rotor.

71HANTO







"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

71HANTO

Quote from: bbobcat75 on March 17, 2014, 09:02:13 AM
IS THAT THE FRONT SPOLIER YOU GOT FROM ME? LOOKS AWESOME!!!


Hi bbobcat75,

I did not end up using the one I got from you. I bought a larger one and figured bigger was better for most of the smaller (slower) twisty tracks I race on.

71HANTO
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

bbobcat75

IS THAT THE FRONT SPOLIER YOU GOT FROM ME? LOOKS AWESOME!!!

1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

dick1172762

Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

71HANTO

Quote from: dick1172762 on March 15, 2014, 12:14:24 PM
You've gone this far, so why not glass bumpers? Car looks greeeeeat. Keep up the good work.

Thanks, got it covered. I also want to fab some bumper brackets out of aluminum as the originals weight a ton. My mantra is: "if you want to go fast, add lightness"

71HANTO

"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

dick1172762

You've gone this far, so why not glass bumpers? Car looks greeeeeat. Keep up the good work.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

71HANTO

Well, the glass work slowed me down on the HANTO but I see the light at the end of the tunnel. It's starting to look like a race car. Getting closer to paint. A lot of hours went into fiberglass body panel fit. The front air dam went on last evening after work but still needs a little adjustment and some support bracing. I had to cut 3/4 of an inch out of the center to make it fit. The rear spoiler has about a 1/2 inch ADDED to make it fit flush end to end. Every piece of fiberglass had to have some type of major work but I am just about there. Dearborn or bust!

71HANTO




"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: pintosopher on November 19, 2013, 09:54:29 AM
Well,  I guess I don't get better lookin each Day! But I do get a bit more likable after a few Brews. ;D

LOL.. ;D ;D ;D
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pintosopher

Well,  I guess I don't get better lookin each Day! But I do get a bit more likable after a few Brews. ;D
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

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Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

71HANTO

Quote from: Srt on November 18, 2013, 03:42:23 AM
from a really old post.....


".....I cloned the car into an extremely rare PERFORMANCE version of the 79 Cutlass called the W-30. No one bought it when it came out and no one remembers it now...."

I remember those cars! Funny, I don't FEEL that old (most days!)

I don't feel old myself until I look in the mirror...
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

Srt

from a really old post.....


".....I cloned the car into an extremely rare PERFORMANCE version of the 79 Cutlass called the W-30. No one bought it when it came out and no one remembers it now...."

I remember those cars! Funny, I don't FEEL that old (most days!)
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

bbobcat75

1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

71HANTO

It's been a while since I posted progress. I have been splitting my free time between the Lotus Pinto and my street Pinto. I have been massively reworking the glass doors, hood, and trunk taking out the waviness, dips, bumps, and adding glass to get the gaps closer to factory on the Lotus Pinto. It has been way more time consuming than I thought it would be. OCD can be fun  ;) . I'll post pictures once it's back in primer. I changed the front disc spindles to 73s to get to use the larger beefier tie rod ends. I then had a custom bump steer kit machined so I could still use the 71-72 Wilwood rack.

71HANTO






I have also added a section to the rear spoiler I got from MAP351. I wanted it line up with the edge of the glass trunk lid. I have not done glass work since my surfboard days but I think it turned out pretty good. :)

"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

raynmaker

Any updates?  Quite an amazing car would love to see video of the race.

71HANTO

I was able to test fit the adapted starter by removing the transmission from the bell housing and rebolting the bell back on to the block. I put a hose clamp on the starter behind the gear so when I mounted it to the bell it would be fully extended to test the meshing of the starter gear to the flywheel. It's dead on. It is hard to see from this picture angle (taken through the bell opening) but there is about 1/16th of an inch of space before the gear bottoms out into the flywheel gear. Not bad for handing the Machinest an extra lotus flywheel, the starter and a sandwich plate from a 2.0L (no bell, no block). ;)

71HANTO

"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

71HANTO

Quote from: skrach on September 05, 2012, 09:17:37 AM
I have the original tri-fold brochure for the hanto pinto. I will find it and scan it. I have a few I think. If I have more than one I will gladly send you one.

Douglas, PM Sent

71HANTO
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

skrach

I have the original tri-fold brochure for the hanto pinto. I will find it and scan it. I have a few I think. If I have more than one I will gladly send you one.

thanks,
Douglas Johnson
"Skrach"
www.VividlyVintage.com
1971 Ford Pinto Sedan. Original CA Car. Root Beer Brown. but wont be that color for long. Tired of the poop brown reputation. haha

bbobcat75

glad to see that you are still working strong on the project! keep up the good work!
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

71HANTO

WOW it's been a long time since my last update but I finally solved the major last roadblock to my progress. How to make a starter work on my Frankenstein of put togather parts. The problem was using a 3 hole mount bell housing (2.0L) from a 1971 pinto and mating it to a Ford Lotus block (1966) that normally used a 2 hole starter mount. 2 more issues, a smaller Lotus flywheel with different sized teeth. No one on earth makes an adapter (I know I looked for years). It kept me up nights. I finally found a machine shop that would take on the challange. They promised the job in 2.5 weeks but it took 3.5 months and below are the results. Pure art work at $260. Now I have NO excuse not to finish this project  ;D  71HANTO

Original 3 hole Pinto starter with the XLT race starter (1/3 of the weight) and adapter plates 2 hole and new 3 hole.

Comparing the Pinto original and the adapted race starter.

Closeup of the different toothed gears. They look close but no cigar.

Closeup of the Lotus plate and the new plate. Both fully indexable.

This side shows the installed bearing in the new plate taken from the Lotus plate.
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

71HANTO

I ran across this post in a British car forum from 2007...

71HANTO


"I didn't know *where* to put this one since it's a US car with a Brit engine (isn't it usually the opposite is done?)

Anyway, I took this at Lime Rock about 35 years ago. I found it while I was scanning some other old pictures.

The event was one of the early Car & Driver Showroom Stock Sedan events. I know C&D brought their "00" Pinto but I think Bruce Cargill won in an SSS Dodge Colt (I think).

This thing didn't race but was in the pits and attracted mucho attention.
It's not a Pangra but a sort of similar idea with a Jensen/Lotus 907 engine. Name on the side is "Hanto".

Anyone recall these?"

"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

71HANTO

Thanks Starliner,

I have been doing some quiet progress and will have a primered roller for Carlisle. Here are some resent pics of the progress as of last Thursday (getting soda blasted). I will be trailering it complete or not. It will be a roller with motor, trans, plasic windows and fiberglass hood, doors and bumpers. The race tires are on the rims ready to go (Toyo R888's 205 50 15s). The glass trunk lid I got from Canada is trash and unusable (took four months to get and it's junk). So i'm using the original steel one (still pretty light). My son is driving his 71 from Texas and we are meeting up there.  The big push is AFTER this event to get it fully sorted for Trans-Am vintage racing...

71HANTO








"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

Starliner

This is an amazing build.   I have been following it with interest since the beginning.
I hope you have time to get back to it. 
1973 Pinto 1600 - Sold!  
1979 Pinto 2300 - Sold!
1984 Audi 5000 Avant - 60,000 original miles
1987 Audi 5000 S Quattro - The snowmobile
1973 Volvo 1800 ES wagon -  my project car
1976 Mustang II - Wifey's new toy

71HANTO

It took me years to find a copy of the original Hanto Pinto article but here it is:

71HANTO




"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

71HANTO

71HANTO...update. I've been out of the game due to some major life changes (all good) but this last weekend I received tentitive approval by the president of the west coast chapter of Vintage Auto Racing Assoc. (VARA) and the Chief Tech Inspecter to race the 71 Hanto Pinto as a homologated vintage race car. Subject only to my providing proof of the existance of the original 1975 Hanto Pinto (easy to do).  This means I won't be thrown in with the exibition class of misfits. I will be racing with 510s, Lotus Cortinas, 912s, etc. It also means I can race for points instead of being an "also ran". :fastcar:

71HANTO
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

71HANTO

Quote from: r4pinto on May 14, 2009, 12:55:38 AM
That ain't a bad idea.. Quite the visonarry you are  ;D

Thanks, I'm trying find every tiny advantage I can...gotta' go kick some serious A$$ on the track...:fastcar:
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress