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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Here is a cheap, easy, repair and prevention of the easily broken early door pulls. They are weak and the collar that holds the mounting screw pulls through. I repaired 3 broken out collars and one cracked one that was still connected. I added a bunch of JB Weld  to the back of the mounting area to spread the forces of the pull to a larger surface area. The door pulls can stand up to much more force now ;D




It needs straightening a little but here is the finished product-no more worries ;D
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dga57

 :welcome:  stevewl1164! 
This site's not hard to navigate at all, once you get used to it.  I've never been on the Ford Festiva forum but I can tell you that, in my opinion, this is one of the best run sites anywhere - our administrators really care about what's happening and do whatever it takes to make it work. 
Dwayne :smile:
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71HANTO

Quote from: stevewl1164 on January 24, 2009, 10:22:11 PM
Hello, my first visit to the forum...do not know how it works! Fordfestiva forum is easier! Anyway, I had a 73 Pinto..in 1982 it was the frist car I bought. It was a medium blue runabout with the deluxe trim package in and out...window and drip moldings chrome, thin vinyl insert bodyside moldings, deluxe wheel covers, no rub strips on the bumpers though. Two tone blue interior...dark blue and light blue in the middle. Cargo carpet. It was a 2.0 automatic with no air. It did have disc brakes...not power though. I LOVED that car. It was a lot of fun to drive.

:welcome: A lot of great information on this site but you do have to dig a little if you find the Pinto bug bites you!!! ;D
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stevewl1164

Hello, my first visit to the forum...do not know how it works! Fordfestiva forum is easier! Anyway, I had a 73 Pinto..in 1982 it was the frist car I bought. It was a medium blue runabout with the deluxe trim package in and out...window and drip moldings chrome, thin vinyl insert bodyside moldings, deluxe wheel covers, no rub strips on the bumpers though. Two tone blue interior...dark blue and light blue in the middle. Cargo carpet. It was a 2.0 automatic with no air. It did have disc brakes...not power though. I LOVED that car. It was a lot of fun to drive.

71HANTO

Here's a short cut to faster track times....losing weight :lol: The first picture shows an original Pinto sized battery next to the 12V motorcycle battery that I will be using. Most racers (those who use on-board batteries) go with the gel cell pictured but they're still heavy. :hangover: The motorcycle battery weighs 17LBS and the Pinto battery weighs in at a hefty 41LBS. :hangover: I save a net 24LBS ;D I will put it in the rear passanger side foot-well to counter some of my heft :amazed: and keep the center of gravity low and away from the fuel cell in the trunk :fastcar:



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71HANTO

This side view shows what I'm using for exhaust instead of full tube headers ??? :lost:. This cast iron header is from a 1971 Lotus Twin Cam Elan ($25 E-bay six miles from my house ;D). I am planning on 7500 RPM MAX (limited with a 6AL chip). This engine pulls easily through 8500 RPM.... if I let it....after it passes 9000 RPM, it becomes a potential "Bouncing Betty" :hypno:

This cast iron header will be extrude-honed to flow as well as a tube header up to 7500 RPM. This exhaust tuning increases the useable torque throughout the low and mid RPM ranges by moving the peak torque level lower on the RPM curve. The higher end is completely sacrificed but is no longer needed because of the 5 speed. I get less under-hood heat and the cast iron header should weigh about the same as a nest full of tube headers once it's been extrude-honed and I smooth and remove some of the extra outside material also.

For the tight twisties torque rules. However,  I could have spun to 8500 RPM with a four speed to get the same race times with a shorter engine life. No thanks $$$ ;D The Type 9, 5 speed allows me to use the mechanical leverage advantage of semi-radical 4.62 rear gears that multiply my electronically limited RPM and turn it into usable torque on the track and the street. I get a top speed of 137 MPH with 22.8 inch tires. The 1974 Hanto Lotus/Pinto 5 speed  Prototype allows me to race with 5 gears against the others limited by the vintage racing rules to only 4  :2fast4u:  I could still race at the events with a renegade 5 speed without the borrowed Hanto pedigree but I would be limited to racing in the "exhibition class". This class is where all the cars that don't fit the vintage requirements get lumped together on one grid. The speed differential of the oddball cars racing together means I'm racing in my rearview mirror  watching for some nut case with a twin turbo'ed Viper working the course mixed in with 30, 40 year old cars :accident: Thanks Mr. Hansen, for helping me stay out of the junk yard wars wherever you are..... :drunk: 

http://blog.themustangguys.com/Hantopinto.jpg

http://jimsgarage.wordpress.com/2006/09/17/the-hanto-pinto/

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71HANTO

Thanks Eric, you asked for 'em....the first picture is of the Mitsubishi Alternator with a Cortina Generator front pulley installed to help hide the modernness but I decided not to leave it and have to butcher the original wiring harness just to make it work. The next picture the original Pinto Alternator that my car was born with waiting for a larger diameter drive belt. The third picture is an original 2 ton Lucas Generator that the Cortinas came with (6 Volt!) :o.

I had to adapt the Pinto Alternator to the Cortina generator bracket using a sleeve, enlarging holes, and repositioning the bracket with new mounting holes to get perfect alignment with the other pulleys. I used another extra part from my 69 Mustang. The upper bracket has a Ford C9 # stamped in it. I like the fact that the Pinto unit sits low but I weighed it and its exactly 2 LBS heavier than the Mitsubishi unit >:( Oh well, It means I have to get more aggressive somewhere else. :fastcar:

Mitsubishi Alternator with Cortina Generator Pulley:

Pinto Alternator with underdrive aluminum Pulley and a little shined up:

Cortina heavy weight Generator fit for a WWII tank:

Size Difference Pinto/Mitsubishi:

A better view showing adapted Cortina and Mustang brackets:

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bbobcat75

it looks like its coming together nicely!!! keep up the great work charles!! and post some more pics!!!
eric
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

71HANTO

I also had a chance to clean up the 1971 vintage 240Z aluminum brake drums, hand chamfer the venting holes C H Topping drilled in them, and test fit the 1976 Pinto 8 inch rear spec brake pads. The width of the pad in the drum looks perfect ;D


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71HANTO

I had a chance to clean up the original 24K mile 2.0L alternator and add an underdrive aluminum pulley to save it's life in SUSTAINED high RPM race conditions. The added benefit is less drag on the engine giving me a little more acceleration. The 71 pulley is in front for size comparison. The only downside is I probably won't be rolling with my 1000 watt stereo cranked while charging my cel phone during a race ::) I had a lite weight Mitsubishi alternator I used in the Lotus Cortina but to keep it I would need to do wiring mods to the untouched 71 Pinto wiring harness. By staying 71 Pinto, I'm taking maybe a pound and a half weight penalty for the compromise but it looks period correct unlike the mobern Mitsubishi unit anyway. What looks like rust in the back of the Pinto unit is actually factory paint  ;D
The numbers on the 1971 Pinto Autolite alternator are: 15V 42A D0AF 10300 G NEG :fastcar:



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bbobcat75

charles the car is looking good, cant wait to see the spolier on the car now!!
keep up the great work
eric
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

lencost

71HANTO thank you thank you thank you for posting your progress.

Leonard
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71HANTO

I had my brakes drilled for racing today at C H Topping Brakes in Long Beach. Ca. They did them for $50 each and checked the used 240Z Aluminum drums for warpage (none). The 71 Pinto Discs have flash rust but they are near new. This trick makes these ALL SEASON for the street. They will brake better in wet or dry as the gases and water are re-routed. Cheap insurance at $50 each. IMHO
:accident:






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71HANTO

It took me 5 tries to get the wrong throw out bearing so I gave in and had the yoke of the Type 9 bearing retainer turned down to the correct 2.0L/2.3L slip yoke size ($60). The problem is that there are two 2.3L sizes listed. The Type 9 matches the 2.3L and 3.8L, and 5.0L slip yoke size but it is no longer made for my Tilton 1 Disc race setup (too much torque for a one disc is my guess). The 2.0L/2.3L in the books is too small to fit on the Type 9 yoke. After turning down the yoke diameter to work with the smaller bearing diameter, I have an unlimited supply of bearings ;D

Tall race bearing next to a Stock 2.3L, 3.8L. 5.0L one.


Turned down slide yoke to fit the bearing.


Another view.

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blink77

CHARLES
Just happy to see any of these parts get used. I know I
saved this stuff for a reason. Nice job on the tranny!!!!
BILL

71HANTO

Quote from: blink77 on November 24, 2008, 03:43:21 PM
CHARLES
Thanks for the ANDREW JACKSON.
BILL

Bill, thanks for taking the time to hunt it down, take pics, and send it on to me, it works perfectly and the height was just about where I would have cut mine anyway ;D. Another derelict part pressed into service.... :fastcar:




With the Capri Console I got on the previous junk yard trip with a nicer looking leatherette Shift Boot fresh from Pick Your Part $3

Before


After


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71HANTO

I got some test fitting done on the Pinto with the 240Z Aluminum drums after the machinist did some touch-up fitting to seat them correctly on the axle flange. I may need to fab a 1/4 inch spacer behind the backing plate to dead center the shoes but may get away with not. You can see the small gap in the closeup picture. I also played with a 1 inch wheel spacer that I had and one of my race rims. I think I will need to go 1/2 to 3/4 inch instead of the 1 inch but I'll know better when I get tires. I planned for 205X50X15 @ 22.8 inches. :fastcar:




I was also able to re-thread (metric 10mmX1.5 Die-same as Pinto 4-speed) and mount a Lotus knob on the cut off Type 9 stick shift assembly Bill (Blink77) was kind enough to send to me after I nuked mine :hangover:.



With console and nicer Pick Your Part shift boot from a 5.0 Fox Mustang.


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71HANTO

Well I got a little done on the Pinto with mixed results. I tried to straighten the very bent shifter shaft on the Type 9 (T-9)  but broke the little plastic retaining stubs. Now I need another one. I rationalized that it was too far gone anyway.....it was'nt... :lost:

The good news is that I went to Pick Your Part looking for a Type 9 Shifter (did not find it), I did found a nifty mini center console from a Capri II. I can fit two gauges where the clock delete plate is or maybe my shift light. This was the FIRST time I went to two junk yards in the same weekend and did'nt see one Pinto. I have be seeing at least ONE every time for the last 10 trips straight. Mustang II yes... Maverick yes... Merkur yes... but an auto trans...DANG! 






I also made a little Resto progress on my Pick Your Part 15X7 Wheels I got a couple of months back.

Fresh from the junk yard ...




Road rash removed and Centers restored... I still need to put in HOURS of polishing....



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71HANTO

I weighed the aluminum 240Z drums and the 76 Pinto cast iron originals to get a real idea of the difference.....4 LBS lighter EACH Drum ;D  I talked with a racer buddy who is also an engineer. He is telling me that for each LB LESS of rotating weight (mass), I should realize 3 more FT LBS to the ground. If this is true, I get 24 (4lbs+4lbs=8X3=24ft lbs) more accelerating HP that would be wasted on the engine trying to over come the resistance of the heft :hypno: I have 133 ft lbs total to work with. If 24 of those are freed up, that's a PLUS 17%.  My little 1600 chainsaw motor on steriods needs every tiny edge I can find. :fastcar:

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71HANTO

Quote from: srt on October 31, 2008, 03:45:59 AM
I gotta hand it to you.  You are one clever guy. 

Thanks SRT, as you may guess, I'm more into the go than the show when it comes to building a race car (but I do like to show how I make it go ;D). It's the little things that add up to make the difference between a front runner and a back marker. This Pinto will hopefully represent a little different image at the local So. Cal. road courses. Once sorted, I will be racing in B Sedan against early 912/911s, Alfas, BMW 1600/2002s, 510s, Lotus Cortinas, and 3.8L Jags, etc. These guys take no prisoners. They're in for a rude one ;D

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Srt

the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

71HANTO

Here are some pictures of Datsun 240Z ALUMINUM rear brake drums I am adapting to the 71 for racing (actually the adapted 76, 8 inch rear). These save substantial weight over the original cast iron Pinto drums and put more power to the ground faster with less dead weight mass to overcome. Plus with less unsprung weight, the suspension can do it's job and react faster for better control. The holes in the Z drums were re-drilled and a collar was added to fill in the size difference. I still need to machine down the collar bevel a tiny amount to get the drum to seat properly. The Pinto drum can be taken out to 9.060 and the Z drums go to 9.055. For the later, larger 8 inch rear drum Pintos, it looks like a 1/4 inch spacer behind the backing plate may be nessesary to align/center the shoes correctly in the Z drum. The smaller 6.75 rear end drums look like the correct offset to start. Updates after I get the drums to seat and I can fully check the operation. the total cost so far: Pair 240Z drums-Pick Your Part $35, Profressional machining: $160, Cost of NEW 240Z drums-$270 pair. The fun of doing something a little different-PRICELESS ;D

Original 1976 Pinto Drum and Two 240Z Drums


Original Pinto Max. Size 9.060


Original 240Z Max. Size 9.055


Re-Drilled Holes to 4.25 Ford Pattern


Mounted But Not Fully Seated


Testing the Offset of the Z Drum and my 15X7 Inch Junk Yard Wheels


Inside Clearance of Wheel to Fenderwell without Spacers.





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71HANTO

I was able to get the detailing done on the Type 9 yesterday while I'm waiting for the clutch disc and throw out bearing I ordered to get to me. You might ask why I would try to detail the underside to show quality if it is just going to be a a race car???  EASY...I have a history (very brief fortunately) of showing the underside of my race car at speed....it just has to look pretty just in case :hypno: :hypno: :hypno:





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71HANTO

Quote from: bbobcat75 on October 21, 2008, 05:40:59 PM
hey charles i sent ya a messsge with the total and my shipping address just let me know if you got it thanks
eric

Thanks Eric, got it and will get a money order in the mail to you tomorrow (Weds)+PM sent, Charles
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bbobcat75

hey charles i sent ya a messsge with the total and my shipping address just let me know if you got it thanks
eric
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

71HANTO

Thanks for all the great comments and stories. Now that I have the Type 9 transmission 2.3L(1987) to 2.0L Bell(1971) to 1.6L Engine(1966) adaption issues behind me, I theoretically could have the car running and on the road in about 4 hours of work. But then.... I REALLY wanted to BELIEVE Santa was able to get his rotund self AND my 10 speed down our chimney :hypno:

I still need to detail the trans. and get a 23 spline Tilton 7.25 clutch disc and the correct  2.3L Tapered Nose Throw-out Bearing to go with my existing Tilton setup.

"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

bbobcat75

that is going to be one sweet pinto, cant wait to see that car complete!!
keep up the great work and show some more pics along the way!!
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

Scott Hamilton

 :surprised:

You have a Serious Engine.. My Word...

I am green!
Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

71HANTO

I got lucky at Pick Your Part. Found some SUPER lite 15X7 4X4.25 Pinto Racing Wheels by Dyna Lite???. Anyone know the story on these? :hypno: I was able to test the offset on a 74 wagon that was at the yard also. Paid $94 for the set then paid Bolton's Wheel Repair another $20 a piece to have the road rash welded up and removed (Gardena, Ca.)and at the same time they checked them for trueness. The load capacity is 1580 lbs each ;D

 









"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr