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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Hello fellow keepers of the flame-A long one from the new guy-71HANTO

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71HANTO

RE-figured...Here are some NEW engineering numbers taking into account more variables missed the first time. This info is from a fellow vintage racer who is an engineer by trade. He helped sort out what the potential differences will be on the track...I LIKE IT!!! Thanks, Roger...:drunk: He figured lbs pressure per inch of travel (the up and down distance of lower A-arm suspension during movement). A one off 1971-72, 1 1/8" Hollow bar is compared to a 7/8" Solid bar both from ADDCO. Bottom line...440lbs for the Hollow 1 1/8" bar and 169lbs for the Solid 7/8" bar. A HUGE difference on paper  :read:. We'll see how this theory works on the track.??? I borrowed this technology from my 2000 Mustang Cobra clone. I put it on and it made a dramatic difference over the stock GT bar just going up from 1" hollow to 1 1/8" hollow. It sold me ;D  The larger hollow Pinto bar weighs only 2 LBS more than the smaller bar at 15 lbs vs. 13 lbs ;D ;D ;D

The two bars end to end...


The Hollow end of the 1 1/8"...


This is the 1977 Ranchero REAR bar I am adapting to the 8 inch Pinto rear (NO gas tank interference). You must have vision to see how this goes on. It clamps onto the rear end housing tubes with U-bolts and regular bushing holders (not shown). The front links will be welded/bolted depending on where/how they land on the uni-body frame.

"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

71HANTO

Thanks Volksnut,

I've hit more than my share of snags along the way with this project but I am full steam ahead after this weekend (LONG story). Hopefully this period correct repop'd Lotus badge is what the competition sees ahead of them... GOING BYE BYE... :2fast4u:

71HANTO


"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

volksnut


71HANTO

I had to order the EXTRA, EXTRA, EXTRA LARGE size at the pharmacy but it JUST  fit :hypno: The house is getting painted  ;D

"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

71HANTO

Quote from: 71HANTO on March 15, 2009, 10:13:09 PM
I really loved the ones with their girlfriends.... :devil:



I just had to add to this....out of guilt :devil: I had a special race pattern for the ones with their girlfriends sitting next to them....I would sand bag off the line...give'em a couple of car lengths til' I got her looking back with a BIG Grin ;D...then hit the red button on the shifter and fry the meats all the way past'em....thinking back...that was an evil  thing to do to the poor guy hoping to get lucky...sorry man :showback:
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

71HANTO

OK..I guess this Pinto is not going to make ANYTHING easy on me :hypno: PROBLEM...RACING WHEEL STUDS for a 71 Disc Brake Pinto-NOT AVAILABLE >:( So I must adapt again :lost: The pictures tell the story of how I to put in the adapted studs the old fashioned way...by hand :mad: I used a Ford Cortina wheel as the jig. The English wheels are much more robust and finely made, with better metal than the Pinto wheel, and I MUST have precision for what I am doing with this Pinto. I left in two original studs to use as locators as I tightened the wheel nuts (greased WELL) to draw the racing studs (NO grease) through the holes with the little machined spacers. Taping from behind a few times as I cranked on the wheel nuts to get them to seat properly. 100% success but that was a breaker bar work out :sleep: Those are L O N G  studs a 1/4 turn at a time :drunk:









DONE... ;D ;D ;D

"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

discolives78

Very nice! Nothing like making sure the Lancer stays behind you! :surprised:

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

71HANTO


Found this YouTube video that gave me a little taste of what I may  be in for ;D...TURN THE SOUND UP...and enjoy a little different view of a Pinto road racing
;D  :2fast4u:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmN4EnsrzVs
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

71HANTO

Quote from: Bipper on March 21, 2009, 10:54:56 AM
Great sleeper. Love the trailer ball on the back. By the looks of the wheels and tires I bet this car went around corners pretty well also.

Thanks, the car was too heavy to be a real canyon carver with power EVERYTHING. The trailer hitch was used to pull the same boat as my wife's 80 Pinto wagon (pics near the start of this thread). I put a large anti-sway bar in the front and used my favorite cheap handling trick....using spring clamps to lower the front and raise the back. It stiffens the springs either way. About $25 did all four ;D

I cloned the car into an extremely rare PERFORMANCE  version of the 79 Cutless called the W-30. No one bought it when it came out and no one remembers it now. People back then thought of Oldsmobile as your "DAD"s, or more likely your "GRANDFATHER's" choice...ZERO performance image :amazed:  I have a habit of cloning cars now that I think about it....I just can't leave things alone :evil:  My 351W 69 convertible Mustang is a GT clone. My daily driver is a 2000 GT Mustang convertible Cobra clone (the Misses rapidly and unexpectedly modified the original bumpers :accident:) The Cobra bumpers came up on e-bay before the original GTs so I bought 'em. The Cougar XR-7 that I sold (Fastbak390's high school ride) was an Eliminator clone. One of the cars I sold (owned it for 10 years) that didn't need to be cloned...the real deal...was a 1970 Mustang convertible 428 R-Code. They made a total of 47 convertible 428s in 1970, both Q and R codes , 5 being special prep'd Pace Cars. The 1970 Shelby's were just re-badged 69s with the stipes added, they were all leftover 69s (335 total). Just to make it MORE unusual was the fact that it was painted by the factory Lincoln Mark III blue. 1 of 1 but, a terrible, dangerous, unbalanced piece of S*&! that should not have been released to the public. The engine torque twisted the convertible unibody and it was SO  unbalanced, it was like driving on ice even when the road was just DAMP :accident:



My Pinto is my  interpretation of the 1974 Lotus powered Hanto Pinto. The reason I cloned the HANTO Pinto is so I can legally go vintage racing with a Lotus twin cam engine and 5-speed. The original Hanto was blue with a white stripe. Mine will stay the almost  British Racing Green (original color of my car) with silver numbers. I'm also thinking about maybe doing numbers in airbrushed flames like below but with burning Pintos instead of Demons (sorry Dodge :devil:)....IF  race legal to do it ???....no plans for any stripes. We'll see....;D


I thought I was getting Deja Vu all over again ??? when I found my Pinto wheels in the junk yard....NOW I remember why....I had similar ones on the Oldsmobile....almost 30 years ago ;D
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

Bipper

Quote from: 71HANTO on March 15, 2009, 10:13:09 PM
Nothing humiliates them more than blowing their doors off with an empty kiddie seat visible in the back seat. The only clue that they were about to be had was the XDIESEL license plate.


Great sleeper. Love the trailer ball on the back. By the looks of the wheels and tires I bet this car went around corners pretty well also.
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73 Runabout, 2L turbo propane

dick1172762

Unless you have a NASCAR cage in your Pinto, the long filler neck would be the first thing to go if you got rear ended. Many of the early Trans-Am car had the filler cap (before dry breaks) come out in the center of the deck lid or in the center in place of the trunk lock.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

71HANTO

Pintosopher,

Thanks for the proverbial thumbs up ;D I may have a solution for your long running pipe issue but it will take some sheet metal welding and bodywork. ATL will build a fuel cell neck that goes out in any direction you want. Why not ADD a standard Pinto gas filler assembly from a drivers side of a donor Pinto to the passenger side where the fuel cell is? I bet most pinto owners would not even notice there was one on the wrong side :lost: You would have the option of placing it higher up on the back pillar for a straighter shot with better fill velocity into the cell ;D

71HANTO
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

Pintosopher

71 Hanto,
Many tanks for the Info ;D I would hope the filler tube length won't be a issue,If it will flow fast enough. Of course, a double drybreak aimed at the Hatch glass ( ala Roush Trans Am mustang) would be Sooo Cool 8) Probably not a good option for future Vintage endeavours (B-sedan, 2.5 etc)

Yours is soo right there..

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

71HANTO

Quote from: pintosopher on March 16, 2009, 09:24:07 AM
71Hanto,
You are on my wavelength with the fuel cell :D My 72 Runabout (hatch)needs a cell for my hillclimb racing anyway, But I have to go into major bulkhead design to separate the drivers compartment. The only question I have is: Does the "well cell sit deeply enough into the pocket to allow for a sloping remote fill tube using the original opening in the fender? I want a 10 gallon capacity or more. but the Depth issue might interfere. I don't want to cut up the floor to install a standard cell, as I need the strength ;) of the floor and don't want to go all the way with a subframe (Yet!)

My car is always a work in progress, ideas abound.

Pintosopher

Pintosopher,
This is the information from page 15 of their catalog (http://www.atlinc.com/catalogs.html) 12gal 45Ltr Part# 171110 17lbs. WellCell 22" Dia. 8.00" high #6 size filler neck

The cell fits flush on the bottom with the spare tire loop removed so you can measure up from there. I hope it works for you. You're going to have a pretty long run from the filler on the opposite side... :drunk:
71HANTO
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

beegle55

Quote from: 71HANTO on March 15, 2009, 10:13:09 PM


Beegle55, You have a Primo drag car there. I'm jealous it's done and running (their never REALLY ever done). I had my drag racing days back in the 80's with a SLEEPER. I know that is WAY over used but you be the judge. I took a 1979 Oldsmobile Cutless Supreme DIESEL and dropped in a built 350 Chevy and added 150HP shot of NITRIUS just to liven things up a little more. This was during a time when the HOT Mustang coming out of Detroit had 195HP. The Corvette had about 265. I was putting close to 400HP at the rear wheels. I raced on the street (you didn't read that Fastbak390) and at Los Angeles County Raceway in Palmdale, CA. Drag Strip. The car was undefeated on the bottle for three years til I blew the rings. Nothing humiliates them more than blowing their doors off with an empty kiddie seat visible in the back seat. The only clue that they were about to be had was the XDIESEL licience plate. SMOG EXEMPT IN CALIFORNIA. I could (and did) build ANYTHING I wanted with a registered diesel. I think a few folks sold their Corvettes and Firebirds after feeling a little too confident against a car with a kiddie seat and a bug deflector shield on the front (it threw the air over the windshield for much better aerodynamics with this brick believe it or not). I loved the ones with their girlfriends.... :devil:


You've got to appreciate a good sleeper story! I need to replace the carpet and do a little work to the interior of my Pinto and after being ran almost every weekend from 1996 to 2002 it could use to be rebuild and freshened up a bit to run in the prime. It was putting down 500 HP, about the max you can go in the 302 block we are using.

    -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

Pintosopher

71Hanto,
You are on my wavelength with the fuel cell :D My 72 Runabout (hatch)needs a cell for my hillclimb racing anyway, But I have to go into major bulkhead design to separate the drivers compartment. The only question I have is: Does the "well cell sit deeply enough into the pocket to allow for a sloping remote fill tube using the original opening in the fender? I want a 10 gallon capacity or more. but the Depth issue might interfere. I don't want to cut up the floor to install a standard cell, as I need the strength ;) of the floor and don't want to go all the way with a subframe (Yet!)

My car is always a work in progress, ideas abound.

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

71HANTO

Thanks Guys, This is a fairly new product from ATL (WWW.ATLINC.COM). I promised the Misses I would fund the Cell from the sale of my Cortina. These Start at about $470. HOWEVER, I added ALL of the available options to pump the price up a bit. The extras included: Fuel Sender with Cockpit Gauge,Trunk Dip Stick (so it can be read while filling or in case of gauge failure), Surge Tank for road racing, Aluminum Top, and Short Fill Neck(to save weight). The final bill: $1015. :hypno: This is an all out race car so what price do I put on my life? I guess I should have written a memo to my self like ford did to see if I was worth it....I did it anyway ;D

Beegle55, You have a Primo drag car there. I'm jealous it's done and running (their never REALLY ever done). I had my drag racing days back in the 80's with a SLEEPER. I know that is WAY over used but you be the judge. I took a 1979 Oldsmobile Cutless Supreme DIESEL and dropped in a built 350 Chevy and added 150HP shot of NITRUS just to liven things up a little more. This was during a time when the HOT Mustang coming out of Detroit had 195HP. The Corvette had about 265. I was putting close to 400HP at the rear wheels. I raced on the street (you didn't read that Fastbak390) and at the Los Angeles County Raceway, (was in Palmdale), Drag Strip. The car was undefeated on the bottle for three years til I blew the rings. Nothing humiliates them more than blowing their doors off with an empty kiddie seat visible in the back seat. The only clue that they were about to be had was the XDIESEL license plate. SMOG EXEMPT IN CALIFORNIA. I could (and did) build ANYTHING I wanted with a registered diesel. I think a few folks sold their Corvettes and Firebirds after feeling a little too confident against a car with a kiddie seat and a bug deflector shield on the front (it threw the air over the windshield for much better aerodynamics with this brick, believe it or not-think of an upside down air dam). I really loved the ones with their girlfriends.... :devil:

"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

75bobcatv6

Where and how much did you get that Fuel cell for? Id like one that was in the Spare tire well. =)

beegle55

That is a neat fuel cell and I give you a hats off for being very creative in the ways to even out the weight ratio and the weight itself to favor the car's performance. Awesome work!

    -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

71HANTO

I was able to remove enough stuff out of the trunk to test fit the fuel cell today after work. I need to remove the spare tire hold down loop so the cell with fit down in flat and flush. It looks like I will still have room to carry suitcases during a race if I want to :surprised:

The raw trunk well with the original build sheet stuck to it.


Plenty of room in the tire well AND it's on the counter weight side of me ;D :fastcar:

"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

dga57

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

71HANTO

The delivery man brought Pinto CANDY to my door today and it won't rot my teeth! ;D ;D ;D ;D

8 gal. Fuel Cell fits in the spare wheel well...no cutting :amazed:


All the bells and whistles ;D ..... Less chance of me becoming the main course at a Car-B-Que ::)

"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

Srt

the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

71HANTO

Here was a confidence builder for me (laziness can be the mother of invention). I did'nt want the go through the hassle of trying to track down this 1976 8 inch rear brake shoe cable that was holding up my project or humbly beg for one on this site, so I decided hay... what the hay...try to repair it. It took some finesse, patience, a cold chisel, hammer, and needle nose pliers but it turned out almost factory for all of 11 cents of cable from the hardware store ;D

Parts to start the project with and the original frayed cable that caused me the headache :mad:


Opened up with the new cable laying in it... just needing to be crimped


The finished part....and with a little clean up....ready to go on ;D

"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

71HANTO

Thanks Dave, I felt a little tweaked seeing it being loaded up into the truck but I kept the main heart of the car (the fun part). The full boogie race engine. I sent my spare backup engine with the deal. He still got a killer deal (the economy). I know it went to the right guy (an active vintage Lotus racer) :fastcar: I stayed with the Lotus/Pinto because I felt it had better technical and engineering potential than the Mark 1 Cortina (for CHEAP ;D). I'm building this car to be safe and stable at 130+ MPH on the super speedways once or twice a year (road race the rest of the time). The 71 Pinto has about a 5 inch wider track and a much lower center of gravity than the Cortina. Plus, you can get much more tire under the Pinto and they're roughly the same weight cars to start with. I know which car I  want to be in on the starting race grid ;D :2fast4u:

"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

dave1987

I admire your dedication to the Pinto by selling one of your other projects. I do feel for you, for having to let go of it though. Perhaps later in the future you might get the chance to pursue it again?

I love your idea for making obsolete gaskets, it really makes things easier, and I will be doing this when I rebuild my 4spd tranny which no parts are available for!

Keep up the good work, and here's to hoping you get every bit of enjoyment AND MORE from this little racer of yours!  :drunk:
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

71HANTO

I sold my Lotus Cortina project yesterday :'( and going FULL BORE PINTO ;D
Here's a Pinto option you don't see too often :look: A Pinto 1500!!!??? I removed the Lotus Twin Cam to do the final fitting and detailing of the drive-train. In it's place is a low mile 1965 1500 Deluxe Cortina engine. It's a direct bolt-in for the 1600 and 2000 Pinto and is THE  Daddy of the Pinto 1600. I will use this engine to do things like drive and leave the Pinto at the paint shop, the welding shop that will be putting in my roll cage, etc, without having to worrying about high dollar parts disappearing in someone else's care :evil: I'll also get a chance to test and tune the suspension without putting unnecessary miles on the Lotus Twin Cam. I had promised Fastbak390 that I would get it running a couple of years ago. I just didn't know it was going to be a test mule engine for a Pinto race car :fastcar:




"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

71HANTO

I finally had a little time and brief weakness in my procrastination today to finish taking care of the 240Z drum to Pinto brake backing plate offset difference. Now they're dead on :fastcar:

Before the fab'ed spacers/shims... a 1/4 inch offset gap I needed to fill....


With the aluminum spacers in place.....No more gap ;D


Final test fit with the 240Z Drum ;D
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

71HANTO

Here's a little tip to make your own gaskets or duplicate a mass of flat parts without having to do a bunch of tracing. This works really well with even very complex gaskets if you have the old one to use as a pattern. Critical if the gaskets are obsolete. The picture below is of the outline of the aluminum spacers I will be stacking behind the Pinto brake backing plate to exactly center the 240Z drums to the Pinto shoes. You can see I took the 8 inch rear metal bearing retainer gasket and over sprayed it with black rattle can paint on the aluminum 1/8 inch stock for contrast. When I make a gasket using black/dark gray gasket material, I spray it using a white paint for contrast then trim it with scissors, utility knife, or for really fine work, an Exacto hobby knife. I made two 8 inch rear center section gaskets this way when I had trouble finding one for me and one for Fastbak390.











1/8 Spacer plates stacked (2 per side) ready for the Pinto backing plate and shoes, now correctly centered with 240Z Aluminum Drums.


"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

dave1987

Awesome fix! Thanks for posting it, I feel it will come in handy for many many pre 74' owners!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!