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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Project Shur'tug'al [AKA 75 Pinto street toy]

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Always enjoy your reports, Jim. My efforts have been on furlough with the heat of summer, I will be deep in it once the weather cools off.

It is also important to mention that I have a friend with a shop that is allowing me the use of it this fall. This will change my capabilities, progress and challenges a great degree. I anticipate a far deeper and thorough restoration since I will be able to have the car in secure shelter. More later.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

hellfirejim

This post will be a little different.  During the course of any long term project there are times when you just have to sit back and see if you are drifting off course. This is one of those times.  My original goal with the car was to have a fun cruiser for around town.  That has not changed but i have drifted from that.  The most obvious example is the motor.  I originally wanted a turbo and then at least supercharged but since i have been driving it around i realize i don't need all that power to have fun.  The result of this is a re-alignment of objectives.

My goal for the last of 2009 and 2010 is to complete the mechanical portion of the projest.  To accomplish this I will be doing the following:
1.  The cylinder head will be sent out to be mildly ported and polished, better than stock cam and have the head shaved a bit to raise compression.
2. Since I have a 4 barrel manifold that is proving to work just great i will be swtiching over to a throttle body fuel injection setup.
3. There is supposed to be a new bell housing coming out this fall that will mate a 2.3 to a v8 C4 trans.  I will purchase one of those and a C4 trans.
4. I will have the new rear center section [4:10-posi] installed.
5. the front end will be dropped about 2 inches.
6. The rear tires will be replaced with taller and wider tires
7. Rear wheel opening will need to be slightly modified to accomplish the new tires.

So what does this really do for me and advancing the project?  Going down the line it looks like this.
1.  This will give me about 150or so real horsepower.  More than enough at 2500lbs.  Compared at a power to weight ratio it will fall between a new Mustang gt at 300hp and the V6 at 200hp.
2. The objective of the car is to be a trouble free cruiser and TBI will give this to me at a cost of 1/3 the regular EFI and cost is very important.
3.  This will give me a chance to make my driveline bullet proof.  i can save money because i don't require a "built" C4 since a stock V8 C4 trans can easily hold the power i am making.
4.  The new gearing with posi will add to the effect of more horsepower around town where i will be driving 90%+ of my time.  Most likely a 1 hour time frame will take me to most places I want to go to.
5.  this will be doine with dropped spindles.  It will be to achieve the look i am going for, ealy Pro Stock Pinto.
6.  The tires now are about 26 inches tall and i will be going to a 28/29 inch tall tire.  That will fill up the wheel well better, give better traction and ease the gear a little.  It will raise the rear of the car an inch.
7. Due to the increase down in front angle and the larger tires the front of the wheel well will have to be moved back to provide more clearence.

So there you have it.  Sorry for the long post but i wanted to explain the shift in direction and why.

jim
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hellfirejim

Actually it will be more like gas gauge, wiring of the lights for the gauges and installation of the a/f meter.  Also have to get the holes left from the trim removal welded shut before the winter.  My granddaughter is coming out this weekend and she loves the car so i will spend some time with her and then oin to the electrical work.
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hellfirejim

yeah it was great.  You know that this is probably the biggest outdoor car show i know of short of a national meet as we had between 800-1000 cars all parked in this town.  They literally shut the whole town down.

So I start again making it better.  Right now my next step is to dis-assymble the blown motor for good pieces and get it out of my buddy's shop and add to muy collection of motor parts.  Got enough parts to put another turbo motor together..... :rolleye:

I guess the gas gauge is next....... :read:
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dga57

Jim,
Looks like a really nice show - glad you had a good time!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

hellfirejim

I posted about the cruise and car show in the General pinto talk area.  Here is the photo link in case you missed it.                                                  http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/sycamore%2007-25-09/?start=0

On the cruise the car performed great.  I have not enjoyed it more at any time.  Oh i am so sunburnt..... :lol:

next weekend i go back to work on the car as this is a never ending job.  I often wonder what will come first retirement or finishing the car???????

jim
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hellfirejim

Went on a cruise today.  what a great deal of fun. :lol:  i wil post more tomorrow after the car show.  i will try and get some pictures.....
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discolives78

PUNCH IT!!! :fastcar: :lol: :lol: :lol: ;D ;D ;D :) :) :)

Keep your eyes peeled for the 'fuzz' you know... :police:

Chuck :afro:



A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

hellfirejim

This car is going to make me crazy.  My buddy was going to take care of the carb problem for me and he told me when he got into it, it ran perfectly.  After the carb bowl came off there was no dirt or anything.  So did some research and found the using a carb like i have where 80 -90% of the time i am on the front two barrels, the back too barrels needle and seat will sometimes stick or not seat right and leak.  So the obvious answer is i have to use the back two barrels more.... :lol:

Hopefully will do my first cruise on Sat night.  And don't forget my first car show on Sunday....
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hellfirejim

yeah they are ruff and probably not of use to most but remember I am going to scuff down the finsh to look lke a brushed aluminum finsh so that should take care of most of the surface problems.  as for the corrsion. i have this mexican guy who is a fantastic welder and really likes the pinto and has done all my welding work.  they look good enough to give them a try.
Jim
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phils toys

http://s195.photobucket.com/albums/z206/Philstoys/parts/
here is the pictures of the bumpers
i was not going to make them perfect   just tried to get some of the years of dirt off  :lol:
the rear is rough   let me know and we go from there. phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

hellfirejim

Quote from: phils toys on July 20, 2009, 02:38:42 PM
jim bumbers ar off  front weight 15 pounds rear  11 pounds  should be a big differance i will try to clean them up some and git a pic for you
phil

Phil,
You don't have to go to that much effort.  I plan to make them look like brushed aluminum instaed of chrome shiny.  I think the look will be cool and not the standard chrome deal.  At that weight my current bumper brackets weigh more than that, not to mention the impact bar and the shock mounts.  All of the afore mentioned pieces will be gone and replaced by light weight brackets that will pull the bumpers in closer to the car.  i think it will change the whole appearance of the car and drop about 100 lbs off the car.

thank you sir I appreciate your efforts.
jim
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hellfirejim

Quote from: discolives78 on July 20, 2009, 12:50:05 PM
Hey Jim!

Sorry to hear about your car trouble! It's good to know that you're making effort to correct it, though.  :)

Glad to hear you had fun at the show. It would have been nice if you could have taken the Pinto, but at least you had problems at home, and not half-way there.

I'm sending you prayers of health, energy, and motivation.

I hope you don't mind my plagiarizing your signature, but you've really been a big inspiration to me over the last few months.

Best wishes!
Chuck :afro:

Mind, I am honored.  Feel free.  it is tuff to do this with no money and limited physical resources and no garage and by yourself but if you want it bad enough and you are hard headed enough you can get it done. 

BTW: I looks like I am going to be an owner of a 77 Rallye Pinto with the special instrument package and the dash instrument package.  Floors are ruff and parts of the bottom are rusted through but it will be good for parts.  it also has the ralley wheels too.  so if you hear of anybody looking for parts like this let me know.  When i actually get it i am going to look real close at all that is available.  it even has the big class hatch in good shape.  Oh and the stearing column and steering wheel are already claimed for ME.  LOL

If I have helped in  any small way then the effort to keep this thread updated is worht it to me as that was the sole purpose for doing it.

jim
It's a good day to be alive!
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phils toys

jim bumbers ar off  front weight 15 pounds rear  11 pounds  should be a big differance i will try to clean them up some and git a pic for you
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

discolives78

Hey Jim!

Sorry to hear about your car trouble! It's good to know that you're making effort to correct it, though.  :)

Glad to hear you had fun at the show. It would have been nice if you could have taken the Pinto, but at least you had problems at home, and not half-way there.

I'm sending you prayers of health, energy, and motivation.

I hope you don't mind my plagiarizing your signature, but you've really been a big inspiration to me over the last few months.

Best wishes!
Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

hellfirejim

Well I have fund out what was causing the problem or i should say the problems.  I first reset the fuel pressure which was a little bit high.  I think that was the result of a better pump and a POS holley regulator.
Then I started searching for the ignition problem. I replaced the cap and rotor and the plugs which did help some but not the whole problem.  I went over to my buddys and borrowed a coil to check mine.  When i switched them it got a lot better.  So I thought I had found my problem, bad or dying coil.  Not so as when I went to pull the coil wire out of the spare coil the wire came off and left the metal piece on the coil.  That was the source of my ignition problems.  It is true, it usually is the simplest things.

it was so much better at this point but still not right.  The idle was low so I was going to raised it a bit and took off the aircleaner.  When i was looking down the throat of the carb I could see that gas was coming out the back two barrels.  I will have to pull it another day as right now i am tired.  tomoorrow is another day.

jim
It's a good day to be alive!
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hellfirejim

Well i went to the show anyway and only saw one pinto which was a V8.  when i went back to get pictures of it i couldn't find it.  I got some shots of Turbo 2.3s.  I met some people that I had know on the internet but never met in person.  that was cool as they are good guys.  here is the link to the pictures:

http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/nmranmca%20rt66/

heading out to find out what happened to the pinto.  later
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dga57

Too bad :(  and I know you're disappointed, but as you said: it's a lot better to have happened at home.  I'm sure you'll have the problem resolved soon!  Have fun at the show!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

hellfirejim

Sorry guys to disappoint you but the Pinto is going no where.  I went out to prep it for the trip, checking fluids and such and fired it up.  It started  to chug and not clear up.  it did that one other time.  so i figured new plugs.  helped but not the answer....Was going to put in new cap and rotor but it won't be there untill tomorrow.

Soooo here are the possibilities:
1. Coil going bad
2. Fuel regulator allowing too much fuel to go in the carb, flooding
3. possible ford ign box going bad.
4. possible wiring problems..

anyway i am still going but I am taking my ranger as it is just too far to go with a possible problem.

Sorry, i am disappointed but better to happen at the house and not on the road or in chicago.

jim  :(  :mad:
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dga57

Have a GREAT time, Jim!!!  Don't forget to come back and tell us all about it!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

hellfirejim

this is not a post about what I am doing to the car but what i am doing with the car.  The car is finally to a stage that i feel comfortable in it and because of that Saturday i am taking the car to the superbowl drags at Rt66 in chicago.  it is about an hours ride from my house.  As i understand there are going to be a number of other pintos and turbo 4 cyl cars there from all over the midwest.  A lot of these people I have "talked" with over the internet but now is an opportunity to actually meet them.

To say the I am excited is an understatement.I am just so jacked at being about to finally drive this car like it is supposed to be driven.  are there still some issues???  You betcha, BUT i am not letting this opportunity go by.

All of you out there, drive your cars and enjoy them.  that is what they do best.

jim
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hellfirejim

ok this is just too cool, i am so jacked.... :lol:  We replaced that holley POS fuel pump with an inlne fuel pump from CarQuest.  It was one of their generic ones.  They have two.  One is 2.5 to 4 lbs and the second was 5.5 to 9 lbs which is the one I got.  It comes with a prefilter and mount brackets for $55.

I took it out and I could barely hear it.  And this is with almost no interior so once i get some padding and interior in it i won't be able to hear it at all... Life is really, really good.  This makes the car a pleasure to drive and takes a way a really big problem.
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hellfirejim

A couple of neat things.  First while i was running some erands i was driving the Pinto.  Out on the road I got a couple of thumbs up from a harley guy and a pro street style duster.  That was really cool. 

If you have been reading this you know that the noisy fuel pump is driving me crazy.  when i am driving and i turn off the fuel pump the car is as quiet as any new car.  Well i may have found a soulution.  An inline fuel pump that puts out 5.5 to 9 lbs of pressure.  Since my car right now is carbed this should work out well. I will know this week.

This Saturday i am going to the track for sure now and I will report back on any pinto's i see.  i will try and remember my camera and extra batteries....
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hellfirejim

just a short note as i have a ton of things to do.  I got the front end aligned and what a difference.  it really brings the confidence back into driving it.  Got more stuff going on, will post later.
jim
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discolives78

I have sold a few cars because they were 'finished' or I got so-called writer's block (what do I do next?) I tried driving new cars, but got bored cuz there was nothing to fix. No soul in a 95 Metro. Not a bad car, was just hard to justify tearing apart a one-year old car with 8,000 miles on it. My Pinto is still for sale, the deal fell thru, so I may get some more done before she goes. I had a 78 wagon a few years ago that I changed to the 79 front end, I ground all the studs for the chrome trim off that car. What a PITA! I agree though, not something you want to snag yourself on.

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

hellfirejim

It appears you are like me and that even though I really enjoy driving mine I really enjoy the building and creating one of these little monsters. ou really have to be creative on these cars as parts are not available at your local store to buy and just bolt on..... bolt on, what is that??? :read:

I thought about if somebody offers me money for this car.  I don't know the answer, probably depends on the amount.... :lol:  It would have to be a lot.

jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


discolives78

Hey Jim:

Down to tying up loose ends, looks like this one is sold and going to a new home this weekend. Will be replacing (hopefully) with a 79 wagon.

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

hellfirejim

Thanks Chuck, still kicking.  How about you? Still working on the Pinto?
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


discolives78

Glad to see you're still at it, Jim!
:)

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

hellfirejim

It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385