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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Project Shur'tug'al [AKA 75 Pinto street toy]

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hellfirejim

2 things.

1, got my dash done and will post some pictures as soon as I have time.

2. heading to springville, Il [about 3 hours] to the RT66 mother load road car show event and plan to meet pinto people and take pictures.  yes of course i will post them.

Taking the ranger as the Pinto is close but not ready yet for that type of drive.

later
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hellfirejim

Just a quick note, i got my new [to me] instrument cluster in the mail from Bill[thank you sir].  It is a beauty and this weekend it will go in.  I als now have an extra bezel and I plan to make some changes in it to see how it looks..
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Quote from: smallfryefarm on September 15, 2009, 03:01:48 PM
i know the trunk model makes a difference but i cut a square hole and made a cage and droped my cell thru 7 inches and left 5 inches sticking up that let me have a 20 gallon tank i used the aluminum tank that has a ball valve and a vent and a heavy duty screw on alum cap. it also has a 90 ohm gm sender in it. i would think it would be safe in a hatch car also. I really like being able to pack on the 20 gallons. just sharing.

Nice install!!!  I would normally have done that but as i said this will eventuaqlly be nm grand daughters car and i wanted to go the extra step for her which means I mount it underneath the car so all gas fumes and such are not in the hatch area.

But that is what makes ford Pinto. COM the special place it is.  The open exhange of ideas and why we did what we di on our cars.  The our cars is the important part of the sentnence because we all build them the way we want to and that is cool with everybody else on the board.
jim
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smallfryefarm

i know the trunk model makes a difference but i cut a square hole and made a cage and droped my cell thru 7 inches and left 5 inches sticking up that let me have a 20 gallon tank i used the aluminum tank that has a ball valve and a vent and a heavy duty screw on alum cap. it also has a 90 ohm gm sender in it. i would think it would be safe in a hatch car also. I really like being able to pack on the 20 gallons. just sharing.
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hellfirejim

Nothing earth shaking, but a decision to go in a different path in regards to my gas tank.  I would have to drop the stock tank, replace all the gaskets and seals, replace the sending unit and modify the tank for a return line for my conversion to EFI.

Instead I am getting a 12 gallon fuel cell [factory tank is 13 gal]that already has a sender and foam in the cell and all the fuel out and fuel in place.  Once I pull the original gas tank I will cut out the spare tire well and weld in a circular top piece.  Then I will attach the tank under the rear floor boards [hangs down about the same as the stock tank] and cut a square in floor for one of those double seal flap doors so when I fill the tank I open the hatch and open the flap and there it is.  Keeps the gas out of the hatch area.  If it was a sedan car i would have mounted it on the floor in the trunk.

The reasons why i am going this way are fairly simple. All new parts, safer, better match for what I need and for the EFI conversion and eventually my grand daughter will be getting this car and i want it right for her.

jim
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Quote from: cossiepinto on September 10, 2009, 09:24:48 PM
I like all the projects going on here.  Sometimes I can't believe the patience some of you have, then I look at my project, started in 1988, put away, restarted, done over, put away, and restarted again.  I even built an extra two-car garage, just to have somewhere to keep this lump out of the weather! (Did I tell you my wife is a saint?)

When I'm finally done with the Cosworth Pinto, I'm going to have a "garage sale".  I have stuff in the attic, waiting to go back on the Pinto, that I've not seen in years.  I have personally dismantled at least five Pintos and a Bobcat, saving what I need and putting much of the rest aside "just in case".

I have an old Craftsman toolbox full of the little nit-noy thingies someone may really need to complete their project/restoration, and I'd be happy to send it on for the cost of freight.

I also have a whole box full of tail light assemblies.  None of them were "good enough" or the right model, so here they sit.  Like I said, there's going to be a garage sale/giveaway someday.

Paul (Cossie Pinto)

I have noticed that I am starting accumulate a lot of parts too.  :look:  I even have enough parts to build another motor that will EFI and turboed [BIG Turbo] but that will go into something else.

i hope everybody remembers to post up the pictures when they are working.  I know it can be a hassel but you learn so much more that way.

jim
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Quote from: popbumper on September 10, 2009, 02:39:40 PM
Not to diverge, but that is what I enjoy about the folks here - we're all different in the way we do things, and all appreciate what the other guy is doing.

I am like Jim - I really dig the mods guys do - which is way beyond my capability level. I am also just the opposite of Jim - I can't stand to NOT restore my car, which is why it is taking so long to get done. The hardest part of restoration is the "wait"  :-\ - I can't drive it until I have all of the work done, and I really miss out; it gets depressing sometimes, but I still forge on to the goal.

I have lots of pics to share soon; right now my dash is out, heater box is open, and steering wheel is on the floor (I have another steering shaft I am restoring on the side). I bought a new inner fender, and it will be grafted in by a local HIgh School metal shop this fall (mine is BADLY corroded). Lots and lots of work, but it will be like new when done.  ;D

Chris  

That is one of the benefits of modifying it.  When I finally got it up and running it made such an improvment in my atitude about working on the car. My wait was close to two years but it has been worth the wait as it is just so much fun to drive and will be even more fun when I get the next set of goodies this spring.
yeah i too have a corroded right inner panel where the battery was.  Actually I have a whole lot of body work to do but that will wait untill 2011 as 2010 will devoted to getting it to be as close to mechanically where I want it.

Like I said before I respect the time and effort it requires to restore one of these little babys but just not my style.

jim
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Quote from: smallfryefarm on September 10, 2009, 01:43:49 PM
Jim i am with you on that i like to watch every ones projects see how they are progressing and get new ideas. And i like the 4.6 and really like the independant rear.
I watch them go thru the highs and also the lows which believe me i have experianced full spectrum of very high to snake belly low. But its all fun lots of fun. Dont give up on yours yet still alot of good weather before winter. Theirs always something to tinker with.

Yes there is some time but I have more time than money.  Right now I am redoing my instrument cluster as the white plastic crumbled.  Other than that I got my aluminum bumpers and I am going to try to see if I can get them from chrome to a brushed aluminum look.

Give up???? I doubt it, if she hasn't driven me away by now It just ain't going to happen. I can't wait till my income tax check next february, have I got plans to finish the mechanicals.   :smile:
jim
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cossiepinto

I like all the projects going on here.  Sometimes I can't believe the patience some of you have, then I look at my project, started in 1988, put away, restarted, done over, put away, and restarted again.  I even built an extra two-car garage, just to have somewhere to keep this lump out of the weather! (Did I tell you my wife is a saint?)

When I'm finally done with the Cosworth Pinto, I'm going to have a "garage sale".  I have stuff in the attic, waiting to go back on the Pinto, that I've not seen in years.  I have personally dismantled at least five Pintos and a Bobcat, saving what I need and putting much of the rest aside "just in case".

I have an old Craftsman toolbox full of the little nit-noy thingies someone may really need to complete their project/restoration, and I'd be happy to send it on for the cost of freight.

I also have a whole box full of tail light assemblies.  None of them were "good enough" or the right model, so here they sit.  Like I said, there's going to be a garage sale/giveaway someday.

Paul (Cossie Pinto)

popbumper

Not to diverge, but that is what I enjoy about the folks here - we're all different in the way we do things, and all appreciate what the other guy is doing.

I am like Jim - I really dig the mods guys do - which is way beyond my capability level. I am also just the opposite of Jim - I can't stand to NOT restore my car, which is why it is taking so long to get done. The hardest part of restoration is the "wait"  :-\ - I can't drive it until I have all of the work done, and I really miss out; it gets depressing sometimes, but I still forge on to the goal.

I have lots of pics to share soon; right now my dash is out, heater box is open, and steering wheel is on the floor (I have another steering shaft I am restoring on the side). I bought a new inner fender, and it will be grafted in by a local HIgh School metal shop this fall (mine is BADLY corroded). Lots and lots of work, but it will be like new when done.  ;D

Chris  
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

smallfryefarm

Jim i am with you on that i like to watch every ones projects see how they are progressing and get new ideas. And i like the 4.6 and really like the independant rear.
I watch them go thru the highs and also the lows which believe me i have experianced full spectrum of very high to snake belly low. But its all fun lots of fun. Dont give up on yours yet still alot of good weather before winter. Theirs always something to tinker with.
Smallfryefarms Horsepower Ranch

hellfirejim

yeah if you have been following then you know it has not been a trip down the yellow brick road.... :lol:

I enjoy reading about other peoples cars and what they are doing and I especially enjoy the unusual stuff.  Though I have the greatest respect for thoses that restore their cars, it is not for me.  I need to make it mine and the way I want it.  Looking at the 4.6 swap into a Pinto and the Cobra independent rear that grumpy is doing.  Imagine the two of those together in one car:hypno:

jim
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cossiepinto

Just want to say I feel your pain.  Twists and turns and changes are all part of the game, when restoring/modifying one of these things.

Thanks for the nice comments/encouragement on my Cosworth Pinto, too!  I've been following your project, as well as popbumper's.

Paul

hellfirejim

Well someday i will learn to leave well enough alone. :embarassed:  The actual dash lights were not working so i pulled the instrument cluster and the white part just feel apart.  Yeah i need one, I put in a request in the parts wanted.

As for the other deal it fell through so no matter I just wait till spring and the income tax check.
jim
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hellfirejim

Not a whole lot to talk about at the moment as today sunday, it is raining but tomorrow i plan to go out and find out why the speedo does not have dash lights and if possible change it to red to match the the other gauges.  i am going to try and get a picture of what they look like.  I also plan to do the tach the same way.  I know it is not much but at least it is something as we get closer to the end of the season and i have to put her up for the winter.

The good news is that i drove her for about an hour Saturday, life is good.  Can't believe the lift it gives you when driving the car and I really needed it.

jim

PS: working on something i can't talk about but if it does work it will mean more new pieces before winter.  I will let you know.
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Number of Misc items today.

First is the gas gauge.  It is installed in my three pod and looks good but doesn't work, sorta.  I grounded the gas tank and the needle came off pegged up to empty.  i know that is not right as i filled the tank so obviously the sender is bad and most likely the float is full and on the bottom.  Not going to do anything now, will wait for spring when we pull the tank for all new gaskets, a fuel return line and a new sender.





Next is the front bumper area.  Since the front bumper is off and never to return, the front beam was just sitting out there all rusty and looking like hell.  so i wire brushed it, coated with rust converter and painted it flat black to improve the looks.  You decide.



last item is a tool i needed but couldn't find.  I have a lot of chrome trim holes to weld shut.  the easiest way to do this is with a mig and a copper plate behind the hole to fill it in.  The weld does not stick to the copper and supports the weld while it is filling in the hole.  Pretty cool.  anyway i just decided to build it.  I got a copper cap [hasto be substantial] and a hammer handle for $9.  I cut out a slice of the cap, stuck it in the handle ,and drilled a hole for a bolt and there it is.



Rest of the pictures
http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/tools/

So that was my weekend........
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hellfirejim

Did I mention I am still working on the gas gauge???????? :mad:  I know the tank is full and the ohms read 70.  Tomorrow I am goin to ground the tank and see if that is it.  If not then obviously i need a new sender.  if so it will wait for the spring when i drop the tank to put in all new grommets and such.  also to put in the retune line.  In the mean time I will just have to watch it close and keep at least a half a tank in it.
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hellfirejim

is that zero empty or full?  right now I am readying 70 ohms and it is 3/4 full.  but even so chouldn't it have at least read something?????  peg stayed below empty and didn't move.  If I have the wrong one so be it, I will get the right one. 
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popbumper

Correct. I got about 5 ohms to 72 ohms on mine.

Chris
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Pinturbo75

jim, the ford gauge is a 0 to 70 the 90 ohm is a gm.
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
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hellfirejim

My momma told me there would be days like this..... :amazed:

i started by ulling the center gauge panel and put in the red ite cover.  not much of an issue so on to the A pillar 3 pod.  When i put it in the first time I just stuck it in so this time I took it apart and sanded and painted it.  this will hold until i blow the car apart for final prep and paint.  i added to the two gauges with the red light covers and installed my fuel level gauge.  I got it installed, turned on the power and the gauges does NOT work!!!  :rolleye:

I go back and check all the inputs through the wires and all is right.  Now here is the part that bothers me.  The ford gauge is 0 ohms fuel and 90 ohms empty.  I measured the ohms and it was about 70 ohms.  That fact plus the fact i know there is more than 1/2 a tank of gas in the car, more like about 3/4.  So I have to go to auto meter and sort out it I have a good gauge and/or I bought the wrong one....Right now it looks like maybe wednsday after work will be my only chance to stop over at autometer.  If not then it will be the last of next week.  Frustrating but it is all part of messing with these cars.
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hellfirejim

Just a quick note.  I tried my lights the morning at about 5 am and some of my gauges havw lights that work so i have a swtichable source of power for the instrument lights.  Also going to install the gas gauge.  yes i will take some pictures.
At work we have a fair amount of car guys and we are planning a get together on sept 12th at a local car show.  Should be cool.
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PCCA Pinto Number #385


hellfirejim

Good news, my gas gauge came today.  I wil be putting it in the empty hole in my A Pillar 3 pod from MAP.  I also got some of those red caps that go over the lights for the instruments.  Since the 3 pod sits at eye level I am thinking that the red light will have less effect on night vision than the white lights.  While I am at it I will also cover the lights in the dash. Might look cool, who knows.  Additionally I have to wire in the actual power to the instrument lights.  Looks like this is going to be an electrical weekend.

For those wondering, the plastic behind the instrument cluster is typically coming apart and since I have an Tach on my steering column it covers up the gas gauge anyway.  Putting it in the 3 pod makes the most practical sense.

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PCCA Pinto Number #385


hellfirejim

It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


phils toys

very good story  hope fully every time she drives it she will rember  the "first drive"
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

hellfirejim

Thanks.  Knowing that the car is going to end up with someone who truly cares and will take care of it motivates me even more.

jim
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PCCA Pinto Number #385


75bobcatv6

ypur lucky to have a grand-daughter that appreciates the car, and im very sorry for the loss of a good friend of yours.

hellfirejim

Life has Balance.......yeah it is going to be one of those posts..... :lol:

This saturday i buried a friend of 9 years who i worked with and for the last 4 years we were each others support system in our battles with cancer.  He got tired of the fight and his lack of quality of life and layed down is sword. He was a very good friend.

But as i said before, Life has balance.  Saturday afternoon my daughter and son-in-law brought my 15 year old grandaughter to visit.   They had to run an errand so i took my gandaughter out for a ride in the Pinto at her request.While we were out we talked and she told me how cool old cars are and in particular my Pinto.  I made a stop on a dirt road and got out and told her to do the same.  I then told her to get in the drivers seat.  When we both got back in she said she had never driven a car and I told her i knew that.  I had her leave it in drive and just idle down the raod to get used to the feel of the car, steering and brakes.  After she got comfortable I told to give it a little gas to where she was comfortable. (20mph)  Long story short she is SOOOOOOO hooked now on the car.  I am going to leave it to her when my time is up because she would drive it and appreciate it.  it make me feel good to know it will be going into good hands.

The second part is what my kids brought me.  Bryon found it at a flea market he was working.  Pictures below.





Life is good!!!!!!


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PCCA Pinto Number #385


hellfirejim

I have a little more info on the throttle body fuel injection.  The company I have been talking with has done about 200 of these 2.3 conversions.  They are best known for their 300 Ford six conversions and have done about 2000 of them.  The kit is complete with every thing except a return line and high pressure hoses.

This is not a tease because that is all I am going to say at the moment as it will be spring when i go buy one and put it on my car.  At that time I will talk about the ease of installation and how it performs.  It is not cheap but about a 1/3 of a regular after market EFI port injection but I feel this is the way to go.  And for those interested in boost it can be converted to blow through but in does increase the cost by about another 1/3.
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PCCA Pinto Number #385


hellfirejim

Chris,
You are a lucky man.  Havng a place inside makes all the difference.  When winter comes for me the car goes up on jack stands and a car cover. Frustrating to lose that building time but such is life.

jim
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PCCA Pinto Number #385