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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Restoring my 78 Sedan

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dave1987

About a month and a half to two months ago my car was hit in the passenger side quarter panel. I posted pictures of the damage and spoke about it in another thread here. Seeing as this is my project thread for my car I figure I should at least post the progress photos of the repair. Also shown is the color difference between the existing faded paint on the deck lid as well as the new paint on the quarter panel. Not to noticeable in the shade, but in the sun you can tell it has been painted.

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

Quote from: dave1987 on June 05, 2009, 11:33:04 PM
I forgot to add that I do realize the struts are on upside down (withe the cylinder mounted on the bottom). I haven't had any issues with them mounted this way, but if anyone knows the specifics of why they are usually mounted with the cylinder on top, I would be happy to hear!

My guess would be to keep water out of them?? Other then that, I don't know!! I would be interested in finding out too!!
Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dave1987

I forgot to add that I do realize the struts are on upside down (withe the cylinder mounted on the bottom). I haven't had any issues with them mounted this way, but if anyone knows the specifics of why they are usually mounted with the cylinder on top, I would be happy to hear!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Thanks Phil. I actually did some junk yard hunting and a lot of measuring to rig up a setup that worked. It involved parts from three different cars, but it works like a dream! Something I've always wanted on my Pinto! ;D

Upper hood brackets are from a 92 Pontiac Grand Prix, Lower pivot studs are from a 97 Ford Taurus, and the struts themselves are from a 92 Mercury Cougar.

The struts used in the kit from Redline Tuning are 20.5", from what I can tell judging by measurements, angle when fully extended, and location of their mounting hardware. I tried to find a good set of 20.5" struts at the junk yard, but the best I could do were 20" from the 92 Mercury Cougar. I used the same mounting hardware locations as the Redline Tuning kit does, but I moved the hood stud back 1/4", and the inner fender stud location forward 1/4" to compensate for the 1/2" difference. As with the Redline Tuning kit, I had to remove material from the battery hold down, but not so much that it weakens the structural integrity of it.

All I have at the moment is my phone to take pictures with, so these arn't the best photos, but the modification can be seen. I will try to get better pictures and a video of it up soon too.

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

phils toys

dave check with pintoman about the hood supports he or one of his friend helped designe some for a pinto and can get the info for you
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
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2011,2014 pinto stampede

dave1987

Well yesterday I got the roller cam in, and set my timing dead on! The Pony's valve train noise is gone and she seems to accelerate much smoother now, which is a relief. I went and pulled the lifters from the Mustang and used them with this cam just so everything is matched, glad I did since it has eliminated my lifter noise. Now I have the Crane Cam's "Blue Racer" cam as a back up in case anything happens, which I hope does not!

Next thing in plans, is to figure out how to use a set of pneumatic hood lifts instead of the stock prop. It beats having to replace that prop pivot every couple years (I have my hood up a lot! :)).
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Looking for anything odd or specific? I may have it in storage or be able to get it at the junk yard for cheap.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

It couldn't hurt. If anything you will have a spare set if anything goes wrong with the set in your car. I think you are right about the roller cam. I'm not 100% sure, since when I installed the one on my car a lifter failed, then the bottom end went out. Man, I wish I had your luck at junkyards and with the Pinto in general.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

So I went out to the junk yard today to kill some time, and to search for the mysterious 12 point head bolts that are reuseable up to 2-3 times. I got distracted and ended up pulling a 2.3 auxilery shaft in case my fuel pump lobe ever decides to grind away into nothingness, and the alternator harness from that bobcat.

After pulling those, I moved on to a 91 mustang with a 2.3. It has been there longer than the bobcat has been but I never thought anything of it until I popped off the valve cover to check the head bolts, and low and behold! It had a roller cam! Not only that, but it also has the EIGHT plug 2.3 head with the static ignition (no distributor). I couldn't pass this opportunity up to get my hands on a roller cam, so I nabbed it and the followers with the rest of my goodies and went on my way. All they wanted for the cam and followers was $20 even, what a steal! For the aux shaft and the alt harness, it was $6. So for $26, I got the roller cam and followers, a spare aux shaft, and a replacement alternator harness, not a bad day at all!

Funds for gas will be tight until the middle of next week, but I think it was well worth it, as the cam should pay itself off after a month. :)

I also met a nice gentleman and his son who are building a 2.3 mustang II race car. We chatted for about an hour, off and on, about Pintos and mustangs. He is looking for a few things I have in storage, so we swapped numbers and we should be meeting up quite a bit in the future. :)

One question, should I go back and snag the lifters to? Mine are not that old, so I was thinking I could get away with using my existing lifters and just swap the cam and followers/rollers.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

larjohnson

Dave:  The Pinto looks great....the valance is a nice feature.  Yes, I agree with the color of blue you've painted it, it really compliments the design of the car well.  Great Pinto, glad to see someone enjoy it so much.....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dave1987

Thanks r4pinto! The color is actually a Chrysler color, Canyon Blue to be exactly. It has a tinge of pearl flake added to it though, so it gains a slight yellow sheen in the sunlight. Still debating whether or not to repaint it this color or the stallion scheme.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

Dave, seeing your 78 look that good makes me want to keep going on my 77. She's a total wreck with lots of rust underneath but seeing a beautiful 78 like yours helps keep me going. I do like that color. It has been narrowed down to one of a few different shades of blue I might paint mine.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

Today I installed the front valance that I purchased from Carl Harris. I used up the last of the old can of paint from my car. The paint on the valance is slightly darker than the car itself, but since it is UNDER the car, it doesn't look too bad at all! Here are some shots of it in the garage. I will get some better pictures while I am at the car show on Saturday. :)

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

larjohnson

You know...anything you find from the past history of your Pinto, is a true treasure.  Glad you at least found some paperwork on it.  I'm sure the gas cap will show up as you explore....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dave1987

It was the original one from the factory that my dad had replaced in the 80s! :P

So I scavenged through every last box in the attic. No gas cap, but I did find the ORIGINAL insurance paperwork from when the car was first purchased in 1978, up to about 1983! I'm pretty excited about finding more original paperwork to add to the Pinto's physical history. I also found the Fel-Pro fender mat that my dad used to use in the 80s while working on the Pinto! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

That sill beats what I found in my quarters. Is that a spare switch or one you previously replaced?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

My new household adventure....Finding the original gas cap. My dad said that he kept it and thought that maybe he stowed it in the quarter panel. After I started doing work on the car, I cleaned the quarter panels out and all I found was the original ignition switch, a few rags and a lot of rust flakes. Looks like it's time to explore the attic! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

It's a valance, I should have taken pictures of it while it was on the car, just to show you guys how goofy the car looks with it on! lol


r4pinto: Thank you, but no need to worry about the wiring diagram. I got the lights wired up and they work great! I don't think a diagram would have helped to much, as my brother and dad have chopped the under-dash harness a lot over the past 20 years. Not really any connectors left with the added gauge lighting and radio swaps done through-out the years. :(
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

Quote from: dave1987 on March 23, 2009, 11:28:00 PM
I got the pump from an early 80s Mercury Grand Marquis, and the Pinto correct pulley from a late 70s Lincoln Continental! What a combo, huh? :P

I also found a couple glove box lights with the switch, as well as the ashtray lighting. Just need to figure out how to wire them up now! :D

Dave,

I have a factory Pinto wiring diagram book for the 1980. Tomorrow I can take a look at the diagrams & let you know what goes where. I might even be able to get some copies made of the pages.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

discolives78

It bolts to the bottoms of the fenders.

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

Carolina Boy

Senior moment again, I looked at it again and yeap that's a spoiler. Does it bolt to the bumper? I want one for my car to go with the rear spoiler.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

discolives78

Quote from: Carolina Boy on March 31, 2009, 10:00:22 PM
That valance looks nothing like mine. mines pert much flat.

On the 78's, Rallye cars and Cruising Wagons had this 'valance' (i.e. chin spoiler) under the front bumper. The other cars of this year (like mine) have nothing under the bumper. Are we talking apples or oranges? This isn't the 'gravel guard' that sits in the top of the bumper under the grille. ??? ???

Got a pic of yours?

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

Carolina Boy

That valance looks nothing like mine. mines pert much flat.
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

dave1987

Finished up a roll of Ilford Delta professional black and white film, on my Canon AE-1 Program (35mm camera). I've been practicing photography for the past year or so and working on some amazing shots of the car. We'll see if they come out as well as I want them to. I may have messed the aperture up though, we'll see. I'll have them back from development (having them done at a professional camera shop so the pictures don't get messed up), and they should be back on Wednesday.

The unique thing about Ilford Delta film, is that it is a true black and white film. If processed through an automated color processing machine, it will wipe out the photos as if you never took any. I don't do much true black and white photography because of this, since it costs me nearly $16 - $18 to take pictures with it, including the film and developing charges. Who knows, maybe we'll see if I can get a really nice photo done and have it it The Pinto Times? :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

Agreed. I touched up my car with generic 'bright white' rattle can paint, and you can't tell unless you really, really look. (same with the mirrors). Heck yeah, if you don't want that valance, keep me in mind...no rush of course, and if you do end up using it, that's cool too.

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

I got it all painted black, mounting hardware as well. Put it on the car today.....


I don't really care for it. The black contrasts too much and it hangs too low on the Sedan to make things look right. Perhaps it may look better with it painted the same color as the car, but I couldn't really tell. After seeing it on the car, I can kind of understand why I have only ever seen it on a wagon in the past, it just doesn't look right on a sedan!


I may keep it around until I get my car painted and have it done too, just to see how it might look. If not, I will let you know Chuck. It would be much easier to put it on your car and have it look better, white is easier to obtain than metallic blue with pearl flake. :P
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

I need one of those! :surprised:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

The project of the day is.....

:D VALANCE! :D

Photo is kind of cruddy, took the picture with my phone as I don't have any batteries for the cameras right now. I primed it, speed-dried it really well with the heat gun, the painted it. It's going to be black, but is coming out very nicely! It's supposed to be a satin black, but it is coming across a bit more glossy, but that's okay! Once it is on the car, I can paint the rocker panels black (there are spots of yellow showing through) and the whole car will look semi-correct! ;)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

I know, I had been thinking about it for the last few dozen trips I have made to the junk yard, but it didn't really "click" with me until I went to find a smog pump for my car, from a different model ford/lincoln/mercury!

It is sometimes surprising how much Ford recycled parts back then. Too bad they don't do that anymore and save themselves some money....Maybe then they wouldn't be so far in debt!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

And then I cross referenced that with the three 77-79 T-birds and the 77 cougar I saw last time I was at u-pull. Didn't even think to look there!

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.