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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Restoring my 78 Sedan

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dave1987

Ball joints arrived today! YAY! I hope I can get some time to install them before the end of the month.

I will finally be able to get my alignment done since the engine rebuild was done! :D

Here are a couple of better pictures of the AC shield. Also, a couple pictures of my next mini-modification!


1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Maybe 4 hours of work of cutting, fabricating, painting and installation.

I installed it for just that reason, to hide the heater box and junk under the dash that just looks tacky! I swear that we share the same mindset for resto-modding our cars, Chuck! ;D


To remove it, you have to remove the glove box insert. Once removed, there are two screws that hold it to the dash, about 1.5 to 2 inches away from each end (of the shield) along the inside of the dash. They are 1/4" (I think) screws, the same size as the ones for the vent pull hangers. Once these are out it should just fall off.

I rarely ever see them, and just had to get it when I saw it at my new regular yard! :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

I saw one of those shields in the junkyard a few months ago. I broke it trying to remove it, but wanted to install it in my car to hide the workings of the heater that are visible in the footwell. I hadn't gotten as far into it as thinking about the vent rod. That looks like it took a lot of time and patience, and the result was worth it! :D

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

Dad's camera doesn't take pictures as clear as mine does, so I will try to get some better pictures of the shield later. It could be a little while though, as we are expecting snow for the next five days! :(



I went ahead and ordered new ball joints and steering bellows from RockAuto.com tonight. $122.92 with the ground shipping. I figure that if I'm planning a road trip down to Utah, I better chance this out and get an alignment done before summer! Now I just need to save to purchase the windshield gasket from autokrafters.com and do the repair this summer.


pintogirl (kim?), I will try to get the dash panel done next week. I am just very nervous about cutting holes in a nice dash panel again, since I trashed the last one! :(

Updates may not come as promised. Dad lost his job (contracted to micron to install their machines), and things are kind of crazy around here right now. If I disappear for some unknown reason, it means we had to give up the internet. If all else fails, I will try to get to the library to check back here.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

The first picture shows the odd location of the hole drilled for the vent pull. Notice it is isn't exactly right on the fold in the plastic. Not easy to get accurate, since it was about 1/8" lower than that fold.

The hole wasn't the only modification needed to be done to make the vent pull remain functional. I also had to fabricate a new pull shaft. I used a 1/8" steel rod I purchased from Home Depot. I started by using my dad's propane torch to heat the rod to a bright red color, then pounded one end flat against the bench vise with a large hammer. Then I heated it again and added the loop at the flat end. All of this so that it would be as identical to the original pull shaft as I could get it. Somewhere along all of this, I lost the original shaft, otherwise I would have snapped some comparison photos.

This new shaft is about 1-1.25 inches longer, since the A/C shield sticks out a little farther than where the vent pull knob would originally stop when pushed in all the way.

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Today I got the A/C shield on the car. I figured that I would get it done before the dash panel since it needed to be painted. At least, then, the paint can be dry by the time I get the rest of the dash work done!

I had to drill a somewhat large hole in the shield to still have a functional vent pull on the passenger side. Since the A/C cars didn't have fresh/cool air vent pulls (for obvious reasons), I had to cut a small section out of the top of the shield to make a notch for the vent pull guide/hanger and drill the hole mentioned earlier.

Here are some pictures three hours into the paint's drying process. The last two photos show the notch I had to cut out of the top of the shield to make room for the vent pull hanger.

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

Quote from: dave1987 on February 06, 2009, 09:37:09 AM
I would be more than happy to go! It would have to be a one day trip thing though, as my sister's birthday is the day after, but I can work something out!


I found an original rubber trunk mat at B&T yesterday, which looks and fit so much better than the gray fabric my brother put in there!

I also found the "under-dash A/C shield" from a 76 with factory A/C, so I will be finding some way to make it work and still have my vent pulls.

I pulled two 14x7 Western Wheel 4 lug slotted mags off a late 60's mustang coupe. However, research shows that they are Datsun 280Z bolt pattern, and measurements confirm that they won't fit my axles. :(

Also yesterday, I received the wood grain dash panel in the mail from Kim (pintogirl)! Thank you soo much Kim! I trashed the one that I pulled from the 77 Bobcat here locally by not measuring enough times and cutting the gauge holes too big. I plan to paint it black and have the silver pinstripe on the top and bottom. I hope it comes out okay.


I hope it comes out ok too!!! I want to see some pics. if it does!!! :D   
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dave1987

I would be more than happy to go! It would have to be a one day trip thing though, as my sister's birthday is the day after, but I can work something out!


I found an original rubber trunk mat at B&T yesterday, which looks and fit so much better than the gray fabric my brother put in there!

I also found the "under-dash A/C shield" from a 76 with factory A/C, so I will be finding some way to make it work and still have my vent pulls.

I pulled two 14x7 Western Wheel 4 lug slotted mags off a late 60's mustang coupe. However, research shows that they are Datsun 280Z bolt pattern, and measurements confirm that they won't fit my axles. :(

Also yesterday, I received the wood grain dash panel in the mail from Kim (pintogirl)! Thank you soo much Kim! I trashed the one that I pulled from the 77 Bobcat here locally by not measuring enough times and cutting the gauge holes too big. I plan to paint it black and have the silver pinstripe on the top and bottom. I hope it comes out okay.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

orangekrush

that thing is just awesome!! i also have a 78 coupe mine is orange and in exelent shape 78k all original. well exept the appliance mags. it looks as if your in idaho. if you have no plans in september on the 19th id love to see it at my clubs show!! the Crook County Rodders cruise to central oregon. its in prineville. we have a good turnout around 500 cars. anyway i love pintos and id like mine not to be the only one in attendance there. so if ya got the time and money. come on out!!!
lifes too short to drive a boring ride!

dave1987

My mom's cousin did the work for us. Looking at the original receipt from the motor work, it was done at Joe's Motor Machine Shop, 1101 N. 27th Street, on State St. I do not know if it was discounted or not, since my mom's cousin has known the guy since the late 60s. We paid $769.38 for the following:

Engine kit (less cam & followers)
Lifters
Vavle seats
Spring shims
Cam bearings and installation
Rockers
Plugs
Glass beaded (entire block and head)
Drill & tap Rails
Degrease and boil out
Rebore
Pistons and piston alignment
Crank polish
Head shaved (not sure how much)

Total of $435.46 in parts, and $268.00 in labor

This was done on 9/8/03, but google maps shows they are still around.

It was a lot of work he had done for us going through people he knew and trusted. I'm very thankful for his efforts and want to drive out to horseshoe bend to show him the car 5 years after all of it.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

joeykillsyou

yeah i want to go to that mini show but i have work. but i work on ustick and maplegrove so i might stop by. and as for showin off my car...nahhh my car is in need of money and i just got back from vacation so my car needs the works right now and yeah i too have a problem with my driver side floor pan. it feels like im a flinstone cause i can probably sqweez my foot in this small rust hole and stop my car hahaha and its been very wet here in good ol idaho so yeah you know what i mean. where did you go to get your engine bored and placed with bigger pistons? i live like a couple blocks away from meridian machine shop across from the speedway.but yeah i too want to keep at my 77 pinto.

dave1987

The car was pretty dirty after driving it for a couple weeks in the rain, snow and the condensation building up on it. I decided to give it a bath since the sun was out and it was about 40 degrees out (the warmest it has been in a couple weeks). I just hook up the hose to the utility room, turn on a little cold water, a little of the hot water from the water heater and go at it!

While the car was clean, I decided to put the replacement turn signal lenses on it that I got from the junk yard in Spokane a few weeks ago. I can at least see a little bit through these ones, making the turn signals brighter. The old ones (pictured) are foggy and have several cracks in them. I wish I could figure a way to clear up the old lenses!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

The final step was to put the sender unit back in with a new seal and tighten the locking ring in the same manner it was removed.

Before putting the tank back on, I removed the rust that was starting to form between the tank straps and coated the bare metal with "rust converter" and then spray can undercoated the surface to prevent it from coming back.

To lift the tank back on, it was a reverse procedure of what I did to remove it, and then dump the gas back into the tank by means of a gas can.

Here is a final picture showing the original sender o-ring compared to the new one.

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

I twisted the screen assembly off the wagon sender unit and put it onto my Sedan's unit since it was still clean and in one piece! I then cleaned up the float with a green scotch scrub pad and did a little bit of the same to the sender unit since I had it out. When I was finished cleaning the little parts, I took a scotch pad disc on a pneumatic die grinder and cleaned the sealing surface of the fuel sender to ensure a positive seal once it was all put back together.

Pic 1) Replacement pick-up screen
Pic 2) Cleaned up fuel float
Pic 3) Cleaned up sender sealing surface
Pic 4) Sending/Pick-up unit reassembled

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

To get the vent valve out of the top of the tank, I just pried it up with a screw driver, since the valve and the grommet were both getting replaced.

To remove the fuel sender, I used a drift and a hammer and tapped a tab at one side of the locking ring, then a tab on the other side and repeated this until it was free. Once the ring was out though, I had a bit of trouble getting the fuel sender out, as it was stuck to the original o-ring seal on the tank. I had to skinny a putty knife between the sender body and the tank to break it free.

The inside of the tank has a bad case of rust. I was able to rub a lot off with my finger, but I will need to drop it again in the future when funds are more sufficient and have it boiled out, then sealed with POR-15. For now I just dumped some gravel in the tank with a gallon of gas and shook it around like crazy. It cleaned a lot of the rust out, more than I had expected it to!

The following pictures of the fuel sender and pick-up unit give you a good idea of what condition the inner tank was!

Pic 1) Fuel sender float
Pic 2) What is left of the original pick-up screen
Pic 3) The fuel sender unit stripped
Pic 4) Comparison of the 78 Sedan sender unit, and a 77 Wagon sender unit
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Once it was all setup and ready to go, I started by removing the gas cap to access the four torx screws which hold the filler neck to the inside of the quarter panel. After removing the filler neck, I stuck a fluid pump with a long hose into the tank until it hit the bottom of the tank, and siphoned as much gas as I could out of it, making the tank as light as possible to make things easier.

Once the tank was drained, I disconnected the vent valve hose next to the filler neck, the fuel sender connector and the delivery and return lines which run to the front of the car. When I was sure everything was disconnected, I proceeded by taking the floor jack under the center of the tank, raising it just until it touched, then removed the bolts behind the bumper that secure the two tank straps to the body. Once the straps were loose, I slowly lowered the floor jack while supporting the tank with my other hand until it had cleared the car.

I was quite surprised that there was minimal rust around the tank area! The leaf spring mounts, upper shock mounts and the leaf spring shackles are another story though. :(

I also painted the rear differential cover a couple weeks ago when I was working on it. :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

I dropped the tank in my car to find out why I was smelling gas after a fill up. I think it was the grommet for the vent valve, as it was pretty worn out, and didn't grab the valve body very tight. Here's what I did, as a reference for others!

I backed the car into the garage, leaving plenty of room behind the car so I could easily move around on the creeper and access the toolbox. I then lit up the propane heater, heated the garage to a more than comfortable warmth, then shut it off (no open heat sources when working on the gas tank!) and raised the rear end as high as I could and supported it with 2 1/2 ton jack stands at the ends of the axle. I also chocked the front wheels so the car wouldn't roll forwards.

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Good luck Larry! I have found two on eBay for about $50 each and $30 shipping. They don't sell very well, as I have noticed, so it shouldn't be to hard to find. The hardest part about finding a suitable one would be the color. I'm still a bit worried about the paint rubbing or scratching off the vinyl, but it has held up pretty well so far. Then again, I baby my car A LOT.

Joey!  :welcome:

I've always wondered who drives that car! We should meet up some time! Every time I have seen your car you have always been heading south while I'm heading north. lol I hear that Sonics drive-in has a mini-car-show in the summers on Friday or Saturday nights in the summer. We should try to hit them up this summer and see how much attention the Pintos get in Boise! :D I guess we would have to get 2point3pinto and carlharris with a couple other Pinto people I know here in Boise to join up! :P I'm being serious though!  8)

Don't forget your put your pin on the member map! I'm getting lonely here in Boise. :(
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

joeykillsyou

hey i live in boise. ive actually seen your car around fairview and you probably seen my rusty baby blue pinto. actually jealouse.

larjohnson

Dave1987:
The console looks "FANTASTIC", I was wondering  :-\if a Mustang II console would work in a Pinto, now I know :smile:.  I have looked at several on EBAY, and thought about buying one for my 1972, but now I think I'll get one and put in the 1971.  That'll have to wait awhile too, as I've spent a fortune on the car already, and still need to get the minor body problems corrected :accident:, and the car painted.  Maybe by fall.  Seems I seen a console though at one of the salvage yards I visited, in a Mustang II,  I should go back and check.  If there is one, I can probably get it reasonable, and repair as needed.  Anyway, you do have a beautiful Pinto... Good Luck!!!!!
Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dave1987

Unfortunate surprise happened today. I got my W-2 forms and filed my taxes....


I will be getting about $400 less than expected back this year, so I will not be replacing the windshield gasket, floor pan or the ball joints this year. Hopefully I can get the ball joints some time before summer, but the windshield gasket may have to wait.

I really wish I could find another part time job to get out of debt sooner. :(
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Thanks Leonard! That's the look I have been going for with all of the modifications I have done to the car. I want the car to be economical, yet comfortable and functional while retaining the appearance of it all being stock.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

lencost

Your effort paid off. It looks sharp, and keeping the Pinto cub-be makes it look factory.

Leonard
1975 Wagon 8" C4 2.8 V6

dave1987

And some pictures of it installed. I think it matches the era of the car much better than the Merkur one did. Plus I now have a nicer and larger coin tray, as well as a twice as large armrest storage compartment! :D

First picture is comparison of the two. I ended up having to cut back the vinyl back to match the old console's length so that I could continue to use the stock under-dash cubby.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

I got the console installed a couple days ago. The car was out of commission due to a differential check-up! :P

Here are some pics of the brackets I used. These are the original Mustang II brackets, which I had to order of eBay. They show up on eBay quite often and are easier to find than the console itself!

It is great to have these available when installing this console, as they fit the Pinto perfectly and no bracket modification is necessary to make it all fit straight!


1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Last night I was able to finish the shifter bezel modification. Shortly after the last update, I had painted the automatic shifter bezel silver and clear coated it.

Basically I have taken a section of the 1/16" thick aluminum sheet and cut a hole in it, using a hole saw on a cordless drill, just large enough for the base of the shift boot to fit in. I used pictures of the manual transmission bezel for reference and it came out pretty close. After cutting, the edges were filed smooth and the sheet was then polished to a near mirror shine using Mother's Billet Polish.

To secure the sheet to the automatic shifter bezel, I used JB Weld around the inside edge and pressed it between a couple encyclopedias until dry.

Below is the finished product. I plan to have it installed by the end of the day.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

I don't know if the designer or the machinist at the Ford production plant had a lazy arm or what, but neither side of the console base bezel is parallel in ANY way. Each side is different as far as "straight" lines go.

The pictures alternate. First one is of the right side, second is of the left side but of the same section.

Hopefully I can finish the shifter bezel tomorrow afternoon and then do a test fit of he console. Stay tuned!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Since the shifter bezel that came with the console is for an automatic, I will be modifying it for temporary use. I think you guys can figure out what I'll be doing by looking at the pix. :)

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

The compartment on this console is larger than the Merkur one that I have in the car at the moment. The extra stow-away space will be nice to have!

The e-brake seal is actually in pretty good shape, but slightly chewed up on one side. I ordered a new seal from SSC Enterprises and it should be here sometime next week!

Since my car doesn't have any wood grain trim anywhere on the interior or exterior, I decided to change out the panel/insert in the coin tray for something that better matches my car. I have seen replacement coin trays with stainless steel panels in place of the wood grain one, so I decided to go that route, but for something less expensive. I started by removing the wood grain panel and then used it as a template to cut out a new panel from a 1/16" thick sheet of aluminum which I purchased at Lowes with an x-mas gift card! This actually gives a mild stainless effect, but was significantly cheaper.

The coin tray isn't in amazing shape since a lot of the original chrome has bubbled up, but it will do for now until I can find one in better shape, or afford a replacement one.

1) Compartment sleeve
2) E-brake seal
3) Aluminum coin tray panel comparison
4) Coin tray in place
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

The trip was very fun and I can't wait to do another road trip soon. Hopefully I can make it down to Utah to see my best friend and over to Portland for a northwest Pinto meet that apintonut is organizing.

I got the console from a very nice guy off Craigslist in Spokane who had parted out a Mustang II before scrapping it. He sold me this very solid center console for $25 and I made a 19 hour road trip to pick it up. While I was up there, I also stopped by a junk yard and got some new condition window felts/beltline trim and some clearer turn signal lenses!

I have made some progress with the center console the past couple days. I got the painted and changed out the wood grain insert for the coin tray. I just painted the shifter bezel silver since the original chrome has rubbed off just like gauge cluster chrome does. Since the shifter bezel that came with the console is for an automatic, I am going to be doing some fabrication/modification to make it into a 4spd bezel.

As for the painting process, I went to my local auto body and paint supply and they hooked me up with some more of the Landau Black color coat by SEM, as well as this product of SEM's called "Vinyl Prep". It is basically a cleaner that you spray on generously to the vinyl surface to be painted, then wipe it with a cloth, and finally rinse it with water. You repeat this process until water during the rinsing process no longer beads on the vinyl surface. After that, it is ready to be painted!

For the arm rest/compartment lid, I just used the color coat/vinyl paint. The armrest is made of some type of dense foam, and took a little more than half a can to change it completely to black. It soaked in the paint quite well and isn't crunchy or brittle after painting either!

Pictures are as follows:

1) The console when I got it.
2) After Painting
3) Compartment lid/armrest after painting
4) Inside of compartment lid/armrest
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!