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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Restoring my 78 Sedan

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Quote from: Les on September 06, 2021, 06:00:45 PM
Dave where are you at with the body repair and new paint?
Dave hasn't been active on here for a few years.


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Les

Dave where are you at with the body repair and new paint?

dave1987

Here is the tweaked right side door. Any suggestions on straightening it out or getting the panels aligned, outside of replacing the door?


Its sunk in at the bottom of the door at the jam, but too far out at the rear frame of the window. The body line at the bottom front of the door lines up with the fender, but the top door body line doesn't line up with the fender.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

More Body Work:
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Long past due update!


The clear coat was gone on the hood, tops of fenders, trunk lid, top halves of the quarter panels, and top few inches of the doors. Car was starting to rust in the rock chips and develop rust in other areas.


The process of repainting and body work has begun. Sanding down the entire body of the car to remove the blue paint, down to the original yellow and even bare metal in some parts. Just trying to get the body pretty flat again.


Body work done to repair dents, dings, the smashed in cowl body line, and cut out the rust in the quarter panels. Body work is going very well, all but the passenger door. It is really irritating me about the right side door either being twisted or some severe alignment issues. I will know more when I pull the fender off and try some more alignment trickery to check body lines and panel alignment before the primer and paint process.


Currently I have the door handles and all of the locks removed. All but the rear window chrome trim removed, all of the badges off and the tail lights off.


I will be removing the fenders, hood, trunk lid, rock deflectors, etc...to ensure good coverage during the repainting process, and no yellow or blue paint showing through under all of the fresh paint.


Here is the car as it sits.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dianne

Quote from: dick1172762 on February 09, 2015, 08:55:48 AM
Looks like a nice one! I can tell you from 40+ years of building race car that it will cost 2 times as much to build a racer like the one in that ad. Used race cars don't sell for much unless it has a rich history of wins and championships. And on that car he will take less as he has none or he would say so in the ad.

I know, but I want to do it myself :D
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dick1172762

Looks like a nice one! I can tell you from 40+ years of building race car that it will cost 2 times as much to build a racer like the one in that ad. Used race cars don't sell for much unless it has a rich history of wins and championships. And on that car he will take less as he has none or he would say so in the ad.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

dianne

Quote from: dick1172762 on February 09, 2015, 07:52:17 AM
Dianne go to 4m.net and look at the Pinto mini stocks. Most are on the east coast but it will give you an idea of what to look for in a racer. If you get nice car you could use it in the hill climbs in your part of the country. There is a lot of Pinto mini stocks out there because most racers have gone to fox body Mustangs. Go for it!

Hey Dick, thanks. I don't want to hijack the thread but there is one here. I would rather find one and build it to be honest.

http://boise.craigslist.org/cto/4879467460.html

Fox body might be cheaper too, there are bunches here all the time...
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dick1172762

Dianne go to 4m.net and look at the Pinto mini stocks. Most are on the east coast but it will give you an idea of what to look for in a racer. If you get nice car you could use it in the hill climbs in your part of the country. There is a lot of Pinto mini stocks out there because most racers have gone to fox body Mustangs. Go for it!
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

dianne

I agree with that Dwayne. I wish it had more Fords and stuff, that's why I started Misfits. I did that 70 Galaxie and a few others I didn't like. But I really don't want any other cars right now. I don't even like my King anymore to be honest. I love the Pinto, I love my Spitfire and want to build a Pinto mini stock. But it's about the love of the car really, how cool they are, how people point and look and talk about their experiences with one. Everyone has a story like Dave said.

So I want to sell off my Sebring and King, then I have what I want besides the mini stock :) I love my Pinto :D
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dga57

You know... this site has over 8000 members.  Obviously, not all of them are active but we do boast a pretty active membership here and I think the two of you have hit on a number of the reasons why.  I belong to other car clubs, some with much higher dues, that I don't enjoy nearly as much as I do this one. Whenever you have a group of people, though, a select few tend to work their way into the hearts of the others.  Dave's dedication and expertise over the years, and Dianne's enthusiasm and willingness to share her experiences, puts them in that select category.  There are many others as well, and I dare not start naming names for I'll surely miss somebody, but we regulars here know who they are and in what ways they have supported and inspired us!  To all those special folks, I'd like to offer my humble thanks for making the Pinto Car Club of America the great place that it is.


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dianne

Cool. I didn't know that part of the story of Bumble Bee :D That's the new name of Brownie/Milo :D

That's cool.

If anyone knows of a field Pinto, please let me know. I'll even do the floorpans :) I'm learning to weld!!! Now that's something I probably would have never done without this place Dave! ;D
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dave1987

I would have probably been driving a Honda or something if it wernt for this place. I was driving the Pinto when the guy's brother said his brother had a pinto in a field storage corral and if I were interested.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dianne

I probably would have it Dave, I found you on Craigslist. When you drove it up, I fell in love with it. I know you knew how much I fell in love with it too ahahahaha You wouldn't come down much in price, I was hooked and it wasn't hard to see ;) I drove it for a year while working on it. It's been awhile, but well worth it. What cracks me up is one of my mechanics was telling me about his neighbor with 2 Pintos a blue one and a brown wagon, then I said was it Dave LOL That was sooooo cool! But I may not have done as much as I have without this site, that's for certain! I probably would have never started the 2.3 conversion without a little push from Pinto_one LOL But my guys wanted to swap motors in it, if I left them, they would have put some hopped up Honda engine in it and make it into a slider ahahahaha All I can say is thanks for selling it to me :D

And whenever, I've been dying to work on that thing. I am taking a welding class next week. And yeah, without this place I probably wouldn't be attempting it ahahaha So seeing the stuff the guys do make me want to. I've been eyeballing that Pinto mini stock on Craigslist, wish I could afford it. But if you see one I can turn into one, PLEASE let me know. I want to run it at Meridian Speedway! nexGarage all over it :P The Jeep club will be using us too!

Dave, whenever you can, and the weather is nice, let's do your car!!! We could use the garage, but I think the guys would kill me if I powdered it bad LOL

I'm ready!!!!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dave1987

I may take you up on that dianne!


Just thought about this too. Without this place, you wouldn't have the wagon! If it went for like minded pinto people, I would never have bought that car, much less took a look at it when the previous owner offered it to me
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dianne

Dave bring it over and I'll help with the body work, I love doing it! I have everything we need also :)

Single stage with a coat of clear. If you bring it all the way down, the Shave Shop here in Nampa is reasonable and they are the ones doing my car. He was impressed with my bodywork also!

Let me know, if the weather keeps up like spring here, we can get a bite into it. I have a ton of self etching high build primer also. You clean the paint gun though LOL
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dave1987

Attached in a picture of my car in it's current condition. While the car is still blue, the clear coast has definitely seen better days. About 70 percent of the clear coat has peeled away from the trunk, roof and hood, the quarters are starting to peel now as well.

Funds haven't been the greatest lately, and painting the car has not been possible. Time wise, I haven't been able to get the body work done, which I can't wait to start doing, honestly! I need to finish the quarter panel and door that were hit in the accident about a year and a half ago. Not bad, but the door is deformed a bit. The quarter is pretty much done, just need to perfect the body line and curvature of the wheel well flare. The cowl vent needs straightened (hood came up on the freeway when my dad used to drive it), and I have to patch the quarter panels behind the rear wheels, about 2"x2" patch is rusting out. Not a lot of work, it all just takes time and patience.


Most if not all of you early members remember who Jeff Fitcher was. He was aided in the founding of this wonderful community, and I owe a great deal to him, not only from the knowledge he shared, but his contributions played a huge role in my knowledge of auto mechanics, and without this community, I don't know where I would be in life. This community has been a part of my life through the ups and downs, right from the beginning of me getting my driver's license at the age of 19. Out of all of the message boards/online communities, this place has been the most consistent, and friendly outgoing of them all. I know that no matter how much time I take off of the forums, I know everyone here will not be rude or unfriendly upon my return. Outside of these forums, I call the members here and this community my family.

As for paint selection, I have decided to go with red. The red paint job will be a memorial to Jeff Fitcher and his V8 powered red 78 Sedan. As a side note, I spoke with his son Brodie on FaceBook and while his father's car was sold after his passing, it remains in the family, left in it's greatness that it was in during Jeff's final days. Jeff, you will not be forgotten!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Here is the dash/interior now, with the phone mount ash-tray in place. It works great, primarily for GPS, which comes in handy. While it will not be permanently in place, it will come in handy a lot, for directions to places in town I am not familiar with, and for when I am listening to internet radio on the phone while charging.

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dianne

Looks very cool Dave.

You have to tell them the plans for the car and color!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dave1987

Thanks Dwayne! It gets the job done. I can use GPS on my phone, now, without turning my head from the road ahead of me, at least.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

All in all, that looks like a pretty niftly little gadget!  Good job!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dave1987

Can't wait to see it finished, Dianne! I will have to make a special trip out, just to see it in person!


I have been working behind the scenes on a custom Pinto cellphone/GPS mount for my car. All I used was some spare 1/8" thick aluminum strip I had lying around, a spare ashtray from the parts box, and a $15 vent-clip-on phone mount from Walmart, "Schoshe" brand, but BestBuy carries one identical to it for $25, with the only difference being the clips for the vents are "specialized and spring loaded". This didn't matter to me, since I was removing whatever mount it had on the back, to fabricate my own way of mounting it to a Pinto ash tray.

The best part about this bracket, is I can replace the phone mount with absolutely any brand or style phone mount I wish. I just simply have to fabricate an adapter bracket/block, or drill the different phone mount in identical places. Also, if I decide I won't be using it for an extended amount of time, I can always just swap it out for my original ashtray!

Mounted against the outside base of the ashtray, I used a 3/8" bolt against a flat washer, and a rubber washer between that and the bracket, then a nylon washer between the bracket and the ashtray. On the inside of the ashtray where the bolt comes through, there is a metal washer against the floor of the ashtray and finally the securing nut.

I did cut the actual tray metal, itself. I removed the top half of the face of the tray, which goes against the front panel (usually has a dimple for the cigarette lighter knob). I did this to allow room for longer phone/device chargers. For the bracket slot, I used the drill press to remove most of the material, and then used a dremel to finish the cut. All the cuts were done with the front panel removed from the ashtray. The panel was riveted back into place in the original locations with washers on the inside.

It is pretty darn sturdy, and doesn't move around a whole lot. We all know how much Pintos shake and rattle, and it does move around some while driving, but nothing excessive! I have noticed that due to the weight of the phone, the tray tends to slide out little by little when braking off and on in traffic or going uphill. I will work on a solution to that, preferably something that will not be visible.


Pictures are pretty self explanatory. I will post installed pictures tomorrow when I have lighting that doesn't washout everything and mess with the contrast.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dianne

Pretty cool Dave :) Your Brownie, my Milo, is getting painted :D You'll have to stop by when he's done :D
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

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dave1987

Modified the shifter knob for the added O/D gear labeled as "5"

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

bbobcat75

1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

Pinto5.0

Good to hear you're still at it  8)
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

dave1987

Hi Dwayne, and thank you!

I have missed hanging out here with "the gang" as well. I drop in and check up on eye catching topics during my smoke breaks at work, but that's about all of the time I have had as of late.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

Hi Dave!


Glad to hear you're still working on that Pinto of yours!  We've missed you!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dave1987

Once everything was reassembled, any changes cosmetically were minor and wouldn't be noticed by anyone else but me. The most noticeable is the shifter location is farther forwards in the center console, but it doesn't bother me any....yet....

With the added weight of the bigger flywheel, we also swapped out the steel drive-shaft for the aluminum aerostar drive-shaft I have, which helped to balance out the weight gain of the flywheel and transmission.

With this larger flywheel (Original clutch pack was re-used), the clutch as a newer-car feel to it, almost like a hydraulic clutch, but this is still a cable pull clutch setup. The clutch is lighter, or rather, does not require as much effort to disengage, and engages closer to the center of the pedal travel.

Shifting up through the gears is pretty slick, but downshifting to third and second requires some effort and almost like yanking the shifter into place, otherwise it's like shifting without using the clutch!

It's like driving someone else's car, but in a good way! :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Once everything was taken care of under the car, it was time to take care of the the transmission tunnel, and cutting the shifter hole forwards an inch, to accommodate the new position of the shifter. Strangely enough, the position of this transmission seems to be identical to the position of a T5, and modification is pretty much the same. Past research of mine really paid off here!

We cut the transmission tunnel just enough to drop in the three bolt shifter, and a little bit of room for shifter movement. Nothing crazy. The remaining of the shifter opening at the rear of the boot was covered up with a section of sheet aluminum cut to sized and pop-riveted into place using the original shifter boot bolt holes.

Pic 1 - Transmission tunnel marked for cutting
Pic 2 - Transmission tunnel cut for shifter
Pic 3 - Aluminum plate pop-riveted into place to fill gap
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!