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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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78pinto

i built the last engine...twice!  I wanted a pro for this one, 600+hp....dissaster is not far off if not done right.  My engine builder also builds 500ci Hemi nitro engines....so i know he knows what hes doing!
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71hotrodpinto

 WHAAAAT???? Engine builder????  Hmmm I thougt you were a self respecting gear head !! You shoudl be the engine builder!! LOL
:lol:

JK! I know its alot eaiser and more sure if you have a pro do it.

Make SURE he knows to have a very smooth surface for those cometic gaskets.. Standard milled or ground finish on the heads and block isnt good enough. needs to be Smooooth..
 


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78pinto

I talked to my engine builder today, shortblock is assembled!  He is taking apart my new heads for a clean up and inspection and then they'll be set on with cometic gaskets and ARP head studs and it'll be good to go....this weekend!  Now i just have to wait for the car to get back from paint :'(
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pinto_351

I'd definately disagree with pintony on his comments on the f150.  My dad has a 2004 fx4 and it is the best truck we've ever had towing a trailer.  It has plenty of power and with the new shock mounts outside the frame it cuts down on sway in crosswinds.  Dont get me wrong a super duty is definatley better for towing heavy loads but a pinto doesnt way that much.  I can vouch that we pulled a load to the scrapyard that weighed 6200 pounds and the truck didnt even groan one bit.  I say go for the truck you'll love it. 

78pinto

Quote from: Pintony on February 03, 2007, 01:48:06 AM
Hey 78pinto,
That truck looks like a grocery get-ter...
You should have bought something will more BALLS
At least a F250
Ford 150 trucks are a joke.
They look great but are not worth a dam for towing or hauling...
I guess either you will find out or proove me wrong.
From Pintony


Tony, i'm buying it as a grocery getter...and part time car hauler.  Holy crap dude, they tow pretty damn good with the 4.6 or the 5.4 with the towing package!  If i was towing stuff daily i would opt for the F250 for sure but as an occasional hauler...no way i'd spend the money or go for less fuel economy because i MAY want to tow my car once or twice a month, get real.

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CHEAPRACER

Quote from: Pintony on February 03, 2007, 01:48:06 AM
That truck looks like a grocery get-ter...
You should have bought something will more BALLS
At least a F250
Ford 150 trucks are a joke.
They look great but are not worth a dam for towing or hauling...

Oh..Oh..Oh... I'm feeling insulted, I have a '05 F150 and I love it! It's the smoothest, quietest vehicle I've ever owned and I just finished taking 1720lbs of bricks to the dump and had plenty more poundage to go. 2 weekends ago, it hauled a 1 Raptor 350 quad, 1 CRF150, 1 CRF50, 1 Yamaha YF60 quad, 1 rocket, 2 kids, 2 adults and all the gear while watching a DVD in the rear all at the same time. Did I mention I love it? No it doesn't have the towing capacity of the 250 & 350 but my pocket book wouldn't go there either.   

I'll sign this one as, A VERY HAPPY F150 owner in Cali.
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

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         Nice!!!!

                           
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71hotrodpinto

Quote from: Pintony on February 03, 2007, 01:48:06 AM
Hey 78pinto,
That truck looks like a grocery get-ter...
You should have bought something will more BALLS
At least a F250
Ford 150 trucks are a joke.
They look great but are not worth a dam for towing or hauling...
I guess either you will find out or proove me wrong.
From Pintony


Thats a bit rough tony...

Ford F150s have always been great towing trucks when properly equipped of course. Now more than ever with the HP/TQ they have in the v8s, the brakes and the frame stiffness. You can option them up to 10500 with a fifth-wheel.

Wether or not that particular truck is a V8 with the higher end towing package i dont know, but Id trust 78Pintos judgement that he knows what hes getting and what he needs.
GO FOR IT 78! 


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Pintony

Hey 78pinto,
That truck looks like a grocery get-ter...
You should have bought something will more BALLS
At least a F250
Ford 150 trucks are a joke.
They look great but are not worth a dam for towing or hauling...
I guess either you will find out or proove me wrong.
From Pintony

71hotrodpinto

quote author=78pinto link=topic=6073.msg40140#msg40140 date=1170475894]
Looks like i'll be making another LARGE $ purchase...... the wife and i are going to buy this 2007 F150 FX2 supercrew....to tow the Pinto around! God i love her! :-*  It's the same color the Pinto is being painted.  I'd like to be able to make it to the Pinto meet this summer.
[/quote]

i think im going to cry into my milk now.......[ :'(

Serioulsy though.. Right on! Awsome ride!


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78pinto

Looks like i'll be making another LARGE $ purchase...... the wife and i are going to buy this 2007 F150 FX2 supercrew....to tow the Pinto around! God i love her! :-*  It's the same color the Pinto is being painted.  I'd like to be able to make it to the Pinto meet this summer.
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71Hotrodpinto,
     That was a good story!!!

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71hotrodpinto

Quote from: 78pinto on January 27, 2007, 09:26:06 PM
Yes Brad...i like to tinker!  I bought 8 100ft rolls of wire, and redid the whole car!  As far as turning the key, i hooked mine to my battery charger in the basement and tried out all of the circuits (fire extinguisher handy) and NO smoke!

The first thing i hooked up in my life (cept a tape deck n EQ amp) was a mallory electric fuel pump. At first i just ran a switch from the hot side of the battery ( NO FUSE!!  :wow:)  I did it REAL fast n cheap. Just wrapped the wire around the terminals at the switch and electrical taped the frayed ends off. I ran it for a little while like that. Then one day i decided to get real "professional". I tore into the dash via the speedo cluster and decided to solder the ends and then zip tie it back under the dash. (was just hanging there)
Well  :rolleye: I didn't even take the hot wire (with no fuse) off of the battery before i started to solder the wires up. :rolleye: :rolleye:  Guess What??  :what:  I dropped the wire right on the dash metal. A real fast 14 Gage smoke signal blew up in my eyes and i almost lost my car because of it...  :surprised:   The wire was laying on top of the main loom, and it was on its way to burning itself right through the factory taped up loom. Like those people that are supposed to have super human strength when in times of extreme circumstances, i grabbed the nearest set of pliers and ran around the front of the car and yanked that positive battery cable right off. All the while inhaling the toxic fumes from the insulation of a 6 ft piece of wire melting all into the air. This all happened in i think about 3 seconds....
I was Soooo Lucky i didn't panic and run for a extinguisher or water or whatever.. it would have been over in about 20 sec..

HMMMM can we say  FUSE???? Can we say flamed front end???
I had some time for reflection after that.....

Now i over fuse everything....


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78pinto

Yes Brad...i like to tinker!  I bought 8 100ft rolls of wire, and redid the whole car!  As far as turning the key, i hooked mine to my battery charger in the basement and tried out all of the circuits (fire extinguisher handy) and NO smoke!
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71hotrodpinto

looks like lots of "fun"
I wired up my water pump,fans,fuel pump, and my ignition box inside and all up above and to the side and behind my glove box. I hid it so that I could still get to the fuse box GOD that was a PAIN... Plus i rewired the engine compartment slightly and removed the ford solenoid. Also removed the voltage reg and the associated wiring. Whew!! Then i split loomed everything i could . GOD What a pain in the arse.
Sometime before I even started this I bought a weatherpak set of connectors.. The factory style waterproof connectors. Man those things are cool. But what a pain. "http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Weather-Pack-Connector-Kit-Weatherpack-418-pcs_W0QQitemZ170075012253QQihZ007QQcategoryZ6763QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

So I feel your pain about finishing the wireing.. Im almost afraid to start the car after all the redoing i did.. LOL



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Nice dash, thinking Jeff just likes to tinker with stuff  ;)
Brad F
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78pinto

Gauges are all Autometer Phantoms except the AEM tru-boost gauge/controller and the Innovate wideband (first and second gauges on the right) They are all regular...non metric
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78Pinto,
     What gauges are you using?? Equus?? Do your gauges read in Metrics?? New slogan? Trick=Good.
Nuff said.

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78pinto

and again
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78pinto

thanks, even for a race car its nasty quality!

I have some updated pictures of the dash, its about 98% wired and ready to go.  All joints are soldered and shrink tubed, the loom is also finished ready for install when the car gets back from paint.  My pipes (Cold and hotside) are coated and the turbine housings too.  I painted the center section of the turbos with POR engene enamal.  I'm making some trick stainless heat shields for the turbos now. 
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71hotrodpinto

Well lots of luck on the hood, Hope your body man doenst charge you the amount of the hood to fix it..... I guess they just expect or dont care if the hood is on a show car or not. Prob just expecting that its for a race car...
I wasnt going to need to get such a tall hood. I was thinking of a boss 9 hood scoop. That way i can bolt it on and it looks "right"...


good luck again..


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78pinto

My body guy is already working on the hood, so i'll be keeping it.  Personally, unless you do bodywork/fibreglass i would pass on this hood or it'll cost you lots in the long run.  Maybe something else is out there.
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71hotrodpinto

God man I'm sorry to hear that.
It just sucks that when you finally dig DEEP and lay out the cash for these kinds of thing that they almost are never what is promised! That kinda sucks because i was thinking of a hood from them in the near future.
I hope this is the only pitfall you encounter with all this cash outlay...
Have you entertained the idea of just having them take the hood back in exchange for getting the scoop instead? Then put that cowl on a steel hood? Might be less work?
Good luck with that whole thing.


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78pinto

I redone the evaluation of the hood (page before) .....my bodyman said it was a horrible job on it.  He recomended that i send Unlimited Products an email about the lousy job they did on it.....so i did that tonight.  I'll post my emails (yes i sent 2 ...i was on a rant/roll ;D) and any reply i receive.

first one:

Just wanted to drop an email saying i got my hood for my Pinto in good shape.  Now the bad part.  I have to tell you i was shocked at the complete nasty job that was done on my hood.  My body man looked at it and walked away shaking his head.  The topside was liveable, but the underside was a complete mess with gobs of resin, hanging hunks of fibreglass and holes that i'm sure will cost me a small fortune to have prepped for my SHOWCAR.  I hope the guy that put the scoop (3 1/2 inch cowl) just had a bad day and all the stuff you send out doesn't look like that!  Three hundred dollars for a hood, three hundred dollars for shipping + import tax and brokerage fees.....and i get that mess..... not a happy customer.  As moderator/admin at Fordpinto.com  from what i received, i would not refer others to Unlimited Products for their hoods.   Jeff Fichter, St. Thomas Ontario, Canada. 


And the second one:

Just found this on your website:

All parts are manufactured in our factory in Hesperia CA and sold direct to you from this factory, no middle man. We manufacture over 2,500 different fiberglass auto body parts.
We Specialize in 60, 70, and 80's Muscle Car Parts, as well as our large line of truck parts. Hoods, Fenders, Bumpers, Trunks, Doors, Panels, Scoops and Front Ends are all manufactured by us in our Hesperia factory.  All Products are hand laid fiberglass. and are of medium weight construction. All of our hoods are semi-finished on the underneath, the top side is gel coated which means it needs to be prepped (scuffed up, sanded) to get ready for primer and paint.
Hoods are available as pin on, full bolt on and full race - pin on

There was no "gelcoat" and the top surface was COVERED in small holes where the scoop was put on.  The bottom side was FAR FAR from semi finished!  Jeff Fichter


We'll see what happens.





** Jeff (78Pinto) is Missing from us but will always be a part of our community- We miss you Jeff **

78pinto

LOL, i don't think he'll paint it for free, but a good deal yes!

stever: I built the whole thing, the headers are modified ponydown '79-93 mustang twin turbo headers. In hindsight...better off making your own using regular 5 liter headers (aftermarket larger than stock of course, Mac, BBK ect)

71hotrodpinto: We are talking 2006 Ford F150 "bright red" is what it's called.  I was gonna go with the vermillion red but the bright red is......brighter!

Update:   The dash wiring is about 90% done and the engine compartment loom is rebuilt. The plumbing is all coated (used POR-20 1400 degree paint, silver and POR-black satin on parts of the down pipes)  I also did the coldside (compressors to intercooler and part of the intercooler to carb pipe with the POR-20  the pipe that goes to the carb (and has the blowoff valve located on it) will be nickel plated or powdercoated chrome.  The engine should be done in about 3 weeks, and the body and paint at the same time.
** Jeff (78Pinto) is Missing from us but will always be a part of our community- We miss you Jeff **

71hotrodpinto

hey what color are we talking about anyways??


95' 302,Forged Pistons,Polished rods
B303,1.7 Rockers,beehives
'68 port/polish heads                   
Coated Must II headers
Edelbrock Airgap
Holley570,Msd dist,CraneHI6
Mil

stever

Who did you have build the hot side for you Jeff?
yes i am from whiteland indiana,and no i dont know the gliddens.

71hotrodpinto

Quote from: 78pinto on January 13, 2007, 03:13:36 PM
The Pinto goes for body and paint tomorrow morning! Yeay!

  HEY there, dont suppose i could tag along and bring my pinto into the paint booth also?? Umm for free?? LOL!
Cant wait to see!


95' 302,Forged Pistons,Polished rods
B303,1.7 Rockers,beehives
'68 port/polish heads                   
Coated Must II headers
Edelbrock Airgap
Holley570,Msd dist,CraneHI6
Mil

turbopinto72

I hope its shiny................. ;D   :police:
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto