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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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The Pinto goes for body and paint tomorrow morning! Yeay!
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High_Horse

78Pinto,
    You hit that right on the nail head. The bell housing catches that cross member. Also, getting that engine down far enough and back far enough were two points that I spent much time deliberating.

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78pinto

Dave, yes i cut a ramp into the top rear of the crossmember to make engine removal and installation easier...the bellhousing always cought on it and it gave me grief.  With the ramp and higher trans tunnel opening it SHOULD be a piece of cake now.  Yes i relocated the rack, forward and down about an inch for pan clearance and to lower the engine......hopefully bumpsteer will be mininum, time will tell ;D
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Original74

Jeff,

I saw back a few pics where you cut some from the top rear of your crossmember. It appears in these last pics that you fabricated a bracket of some sort and remounted the rack bolts from their original holes through the crossmember. Is what I am seeing true? I could be being tricked by all the SHINEY black, LOL.

I think I have shared this with you before....when this thing is sitting on the ground, the tie rods and lower a-frame MUST be on the same plane, identical angles compared with one another. I learned the hard way, let me tell 'ya! With the speed this thing is going to hit down the strip, you HAVE to have the best steering possible....can't have it walking all over the place on you.

I know you KNOW what you're doing, just having fun following your progress.

And yes, GO POR-15!

Dave
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78pinto

more picts
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some pictures, POR-15 and relocated steering rack. I'll have to make a new steering shaft as it now is too short and will require another universal to keep it away from the framerail...i'll be ditching the rag joint ;D
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pintojoeII

DON'T GET IT ON U IT DON'T WASH OFF WANTS ITS DRY

78pinto

http://www.por15.com/

its very strong...stones won't chip it off.
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High_Horse

Where do you get that stuff?

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78pinto

Today i spent from 10:30am to 4:00pm and 7:00pm till 12:30am working on prep and application of POR-15 to the inside floor, inside of the fenders, fenderwells and varios other parts.....underside starts tomorrow.  The stuff is really great and would recomend it to anyone that wants to brighten up the underside/chassis and suspension on their car (also prevents rust).  I'll post some pictures when i'm done.
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underside....not a good picture
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Just finishing up all my metal work as it goes for paint in the next couple of weeks.  I made the trans tunnel opening larger...the firewall will be fiberglassed to make it nice and smooth.  I cut a 1 foot long piece out of the engine crossmember and welded a peice in ramped so the trans doesn't catch on the flat edge anymore  (pain in the butt pulling engine and tranny before as the trans tunnel opening wasn't high enough and the trans would catch on the lip of the crossmember) Floor is patched and will be getting POR 15 this week.  New 3.5 inch up22 fiberglass cowl hood arrived and will need lots of prep work. No pictures, but i also relocated my steering rack forward and down a bit so i can lower the engine....and i didn't want to cut my new Milodon oil pan.
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78pinto

got the hood today at 3:15!  It was well packaged.  My overall first opinion was it was very poorly done job..workable on the  the topside...but the underside is truelly NASTY!  It looks like total crap and will require alot of work to make it look nice.  I wish they did a gelcoat on it also.  I forgot my camera, so i'll have to take some pictures tomorrow or saturday. Scale of 1 to 10 i'd give it a 3 prep work will take awhile i'm sure.
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78pinto

UPS lost it!  Just found out today its in the warehouse....it was supposed to be delivered to me Tuesday, when i called they said it was delivered!  I said well it wasn't delivered to me!!!! should have it in my posesion by Friday.
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78pinto

all you have to do is lift the lip of the windsheild gasket and reach a nut driver in and undo the six screws. You'll need someone to hold a flashlight for you so you can see under the windsheild gasket.  BE VERY CAREFULL....don't pry to hard on the gasket or you'll break the glass!!
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71hotrodpinto

 Hey there 78, how did you get the dash out?? My 71 has the dash bolts coming from the windshield track area. After ripping out Everything from under the dash I had to cut off the screws flush ( that was A BIT*& ) and then just kind of work it loose. then i got some threaded clips ( i forget the tech name for them ) and then used 10-32s from underneath. to bolt it back into place.


Also high horse, you can get a dash "cap' and they look great compared to the cracked dash. Oh and for 60 or so its way better than waiting 6 years for that NOS dash pad to come up on ebay for $300. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD-PINTO-71-72-73-74-75-76-77-80-NEW-MOLDED-DASH-CAP_W0QQitemZ160067829711QQihZ006QQcategoryZ40017QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


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78pinto

#1.....The dash pad is the factory original
#2.....no you don't have to take the windsheild out to get the dash out.
#3.....Its a Sony am/fm CD player
#4..... THANKS!

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High_Horse

#1....Where did you get the dash pad? Mine is all cracked.
#2....Did you have to take the windsheild out to repmove the dash?
#3....Is that a radio????
#4....Very nice!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PonyBoy77

Quote from: 71hotrodpinto on September 25, 2006, 12:37:26 AM
HOLLLY shizod
That thing must at least make a hundred horse!!! LOL
Talk about a tight package!!

Makes me feel inadiquate. I thought I was being thumpy by forcefitting my 351 Cobra-Jet in my '74 wagon!!! Gotta love 'em!

78pinto

couple more. Look close.....you'll notice that even sitting in my basement...its reving to 3700RPM! ;D ::)  This Pinto wants to go!!
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78pinto

Just got my dash back from paint.....its VERY VERY shiny! :police:   The angle on the new speedo didn't impress me so i'm going to redo it along with the fuel level gauge.  The dash was painted with base/clear.
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78pinto

Quote from: turbopinto72 on December 18, 2006, 11:34:46 PM
I've heard of acid dipping the car for light weight but now that Jeff is rust dipping I think all The racers will be doing it.   :-X :-X :police:

it's the cheap "canadian" way to achieve light weight bodies!
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turbopinto72

I've heard of acid dipping the car for light weight but now that Jeff is rust dipping I think all The racers will be doing it.   :-X :-X :police:
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78pinto

the floor is now patched, after the hood arrives i'll pull out the mockup engine and weld in my firewall and floor patches (just tacked in right now) and get the pig ready for body and paint.
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78pinto

yup....lightwieght factory racer! ;D
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Pintony

HOLY FLOORBOARD BATMAN!!!!!

Now we know why it is so FAST!!! ;D

From Pintony

78pinto

Ran into a setback today, seems my rustfree Pinto....isn't rust free!  All of this occured from the inside out, likely because of the windsheild gasket.  When i put the new carpet in two years ago it was just starting to rust, i should have fixed it then but i didn't and it spread. The holes are mainly over the unibody frame so i couldn't see them, when i took the wire brush to the floor i could see tiny pinholes.....i made them bigger by poking at them to see how far the rot went.  This in only on the drivers side, the passenger side is fine.  I'm cutting out the rusty section and putting in new metal, then i'll use POR15 on the entire inside of the floor, the underside will be done later as well. I never would have noticed this from underneath the car....at least not till it rusted alot more, have an eye guys!
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