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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Perhaps Dwayne, you're right which is a shame. I couldn't believe it. I thought I was missing the holes so I crawled under the car and saw only two holes. Grabbed my drill and let the self tapping scfews do the work. I also went ahead and used some engine blue paint and it's helped the carpet look better. It's brighter than I'd like but brighter is better than faded. I might go ahead and remove the seats so I can paint the rest of the carpet. It isn't the best match but will be much nicer than faded.


Speedometer cable fully installed, dash cluster reinstalled, and U-joints replaced on the driveshaft. Had an Oops moment and smashed my thumb which caused a mess but it's much tighter than it was before. I am going to pick up a new tailshaft seal for the transmission to make sure it's good. I know it's not original to the car because the transmission was replaced some time in the car's life but I don't know when. Did find I need a new neutral safety switch, as the wires as broke. The original connector is long gone but will figure something out when I decide to replace it. For now it's fine. It wasn't connected for quite a while, and the only issue is I don't have reverse lights.


The only thing I need to do at this point for the car to be mobile is replace that seal, add transmission fluid and gear oil, bleed the brakes as a precaution since I installed a new master cylinder, and that's it. Hopefully all will be well with the car.


I had a goal to take the car to a bootcamp my personal trainer held in 2012 but never got the car drivable. Now she has a bootcamp again, so my goal is to have that car there at that bootcamp.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Sadly, build quality for American cars was at rock bottom during most of the 1970's and '80's. 


Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Electric issue gone. Appears to be a short in the seat belt buckle. Unplugged it and no more blown fuses. It will stay unplugged.

I also replaced the speedometer cable and decided to change rear end fluid. I've never changed it but it seems to be pretty good.

I also installed a new driver door switch so now the light comes on.  Lastly I've found out the poor assembly Ford did in 1980. The parking brake lever cover has four screws. Two never went through the floor. Inexcusable and pathetic. No wonder the carpet wasn't staying under it. Makes me wonder what else they didn't do right




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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

I just LOVE progress!!!  Keep it up, Matt!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

I picked up the master cylinder as well as brake fluid and when I got home realized I didn't have a brake bleeding kit, so I got a couple spare lines that I bent I formed to put them in the fluid. Bolted the master cylinder to the car & hooked up the lines to bleed the master cylinder. It was just me so I got smart and used the video option on the cell phone. Pumped the brake pedal until I had no more air and reconnected the brake lines. Didn't bleed the lines on the car but it felt good. I will re-bleed the car later... As in after debris isn't around the car. 


I was motivated so I went ahead and installed the wiper motor I bought. Now I have wipers. Next will be installing the speedometer cable I got from the 77, which wasn't that old. Once I do that I can install the instrument cluster and diagnose the issue that keeps blowing fuses when the key is turned to the "on" position. My money is on it being a short in either the parking brake switch, or the seat belt buckle. Process of elimination involves both being unplugged, then plugging them in, while seeing which blows the fuse.


I replaced the parking brake lever, and seat belt buckle so it could be either.
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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Got the master cylinder. It's been leaking for a while apparently. Crystallized brake fluid and rust at the end. Going to pick up the new one then bench bleed it to make sure I have a good pedal


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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

In another subject I called O'reilly auto parts and they don't have it but can have the master cylinder by 11am eastern. Brake fluid is brake fluid so I might go to Dollar Tree to get a couple bottles of Dot3 for a buck each. Still odd the car has a Honda Civic battery in it but as long as it is still good I will be a happy camper lol.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

As long as my mechanical brain doesn't think... "While I am at it let's do this as well  ;D " Master cylinder has been ordered on the car. The rest of the brakes are good and pedal is solid but so was the pedal on a 1994 Ford Taurus which had bottles of brake fluid in the back for the same reason. My dad did not like that car but it got him to work.. Until the body rusted out, transmission started to fail for the second time, engine leaked oil all over the place, electrical gremlins took over, and lost coolant from time to time.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on July 21, 2017, 06:48:15 AM


Not too much to do, but enough. Got a month to do it & I am on vacation the week of the car show, so I should be OK. This will be the car's first car show of the year & want her to do well.

I think you should be fine, time-wise... and I'm sure she'll do well!

Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

So last week I didn't get the master cylinder due to costs but getting it this weekend. I have my hotel booked for the Ohio Pinto/Maverick meet so it's on. List of the following will get done, starting this weekend:

Brake master cylinder, install new speaker in passenger door, put speaker grills back on doors, paint carpet, install new hatch seal, install u-joints, speedometer cable, and transmission fluid, find short that keeps blowing fuses, re-install dash cluster, install wiper motor & switch.

Not too much to do, but enough. Got a month to do it & I am on vacation the week of the car show, so I should be OK. This will be the car's first car show of the year & want her to do well.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on July 14, 2017, 07:31:51 AM
Convinced it's the master cylinder. In stock at AutoZone for $19 so I will get it today.


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Sounds like a plan!  Happy wrenching!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

So I popped the lid on the master cylinder this morning and the fluid is low. The car has been sitting on jack stands and no sign of leaking at any wheels. I bled the brakes a couple months ago so I will be getting a master cylinder for the car. That's getting done this weekend. Only old hydraulic part is the right front caliper and that was a spare from my 77. Also the metal lines as well. No sign of leaking though. Convinced it's the master cylinder. In stock at AutoZone for $19 so I will get it today.


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Unfortunately I haven't been able to even touch the car. Life got in the way in the form of my Dad's Grand Prix that was at my house for three weeks, my Malibu which needed brakes, a trip to Dover Delaware, and a damaged deck on the house. I hope to get back to work on the car soon but at the time it's unknown when that will happen


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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

russosborne

Hey, Matt.

Any updates?

Hope all is going well.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

r4pinto

So I haven't been able to work on the car due to an evil Grand Prix called Christine 3, but I did get a new hatch gasket by  ordering a door seal from a 3 door Focus. Too short but the bulb looks more like the Pinto one, so for now what I will do is use the Focus seal at the top and the existing seal elsewhere. The top was leaking due to wrong seal, so hopefully it'll work  for now. Contrary to popular belief a single Focus 3 door seal WILL NOT work. I also decided while the car is in the air I will be replacing the loose universal joints. They were a bit floppy and one of the caps fell off. No needles fell out which made me concerned of their condition. Rockauto here I come.
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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: russosborne on May 13, 2017, 08:34:51 PM
speaking as an electronic tech, that is normally the best way to troubleshoot something. Isolate it to the circuit, then the branch of the circuit, and then down to the actual fault.
Unless you can just see something obvious. :-)
Russ
You know it. I love diagnosing auto electrical because I'm good at it. Give me a wiring schematic, digital multimeter, 12 volt test light, and I am a happy camper. One of the first purchases for the car when I bought it in 2013 was the factory Ford Pinto electrical book. It's served me well.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

russosborne


speaking as an electronic tech, that is normally the best way to troubleshoot something. Isolate it to the circuit, then the branch of the circuit, and then down to the actual fault.
Unless you can just see something obvious. :-)
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

r4pinto

Got the replacement motor and went ahead and ran a wire to ground from the motor. It worked off the car so now I just need to install it. Today I was working on my Dad's Grand Prix all day so I didn't have a chance to work on it. I did go ahead and get a pack of 14 amp fuses so I can diagnose the electrical issue. I am going to start by unplugging both the emergency brake light and the seat belt buckle. I will work on isolating the issue once the fuse doesn't blow
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Installed the replacement motor and it doesn't work. Thought to myself... perhaps the switch acted up. So I took the intermittent switch  setup from the 77 and installed it. Didn't fix the issue. The switch turned on the governor but no working motor. Seems I got a defective motor. Ordered a replacement from Oreilly auto parts and it'll be in Thursday. In addition I found the moment you turn the key on the fuse for the warning lights on the instrument cluster blows. I didn't have any other 14 amp fuses so I couldn't further diagnose the issue. It may be the seatbelt buckle, may be the parking brake switch, or may be a wire. Since I had to pull the instrument cluster to swap switches I will also change the speedo cable. The speedo bounced a little, and had the speedo cable from the 77 which I already replaced. We'll see what happens.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Bought a new wheel cylinder from Autozone, and reinstalled the shoes, then adjusted the brakes. At first it was dragging but noticed the adjuster was all the way backed off, so I backed off the parking brake cable adjuster. That was the ticket. Once I did that the adjustment was perfect. I also found a can of medium blue vinyl/fabric paint in the garage. The carpet is badly faded so for now I will use that paint to make it look better. Doesn't look bad in the spots I sprayed.

I also found in theory an early model 3 door Focus door seal will work for the hatch so I bought one off eBay for $15, as well as ordered a wiper motor.

I need to add transmission fluid, as well as charge the battery. I left the passenger door open too much when trying to bleed the brakes it drained the battery. 

Once the wiper motor comes in I will hook it up and hopefully be with functional wipers for the first time since I bought the car in 2013.
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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: pinto_one on May 01, 2017, 06:56:26 AM
Wow , it blew apart , now that is what I call a huge defect, those suppose to take a ton of pressure, make sure the box did not say made in China ,
It was actually an AutoZone one so probably was . I thought about putting it back together and bleeding it but my concern is if it blew apart that easy then it may be damaged. I don't play around with brakes


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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pinto_one

Wow , it blew apart , now that is what I call a huge defect, those suppose to take a ton of pressure, make sure the box did not say made in China ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

r4pinto

Quote from: pinto_one on April 30, 2017, 09:15:49 PM
When you took it apart back then did you change the shoes ? , a long time ago I had a friend of mine do a rear brake job on his mustang , after about a week the brakes did some odd things , have to pump them up for them to work and later found out he by accident swapped the adjusters left to right and right to left , instead of self adjusting they were backing themselves off untel one of the whelk cylinders popped off one end , just check to make sure , they are marked on the ends left and right , hope this help you figure this out , Blaine
No the issue is the whee cylinder blew apart when I was putting the left rear back together. Don't know why it did that but it did so now I have to replace a wheel cylinder I did in November. It was fine before so dunno. As for the shoes they had all of .5 miles on them.


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pinto_one

When you took it apart back then did you change the shoes ? , a long time ago I had a friend of mine do a rear brake job on his mustang , after about a week the brakes did some odd things , have to pump them up for them to work and later found out he by accident swapped the adjusters left to right and right to left , instead of self adjusting they were backing themselves off untel one of the whelk cylinders popped off one end , just check to make sure , they are marked on the ends left and right , hope this help you figure this out , Blaine
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

r4pinto

Today I jacked up the car and got cracking. Got the transmission filter and gasket done, as well as the parking brake cable. I was going to take care of the drums but had a wheel cylinder blow out on the left rear. Not sure why but now need a new wheel cylinder to replace the one I replaced in November.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pinto_one

Great that it fits , going to Order one for a spare just in case , got two pintos that I plan on keeping for life and do not want the hassle later if I need one , other parts as well like wheel cylinders , front calipers extra brake hoses , Ball joints etc , i keep also just in case , if it last another forty years I will be 😊

76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

r4pinto

Part number pioneer. Ca5207. At first it seemed the housing was short but when I took it off and put back on it was fine. Nice to know the 80 will stop perfectly. Had an incident with the left rear wheel cylinder so now I need to replace it but once I replace it the car will be good to stop.


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Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

The parking brake cable fit good.


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Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: pinto_one on April 28, 2017, 08:52:11 AM
The brake cable , is that a replaceiment or a universal one , and let us know how well it fits ,  thanks ,  Blaine
Supposed to be a replacement but we shall see. I'll let you guys know how it fits.


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Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pinto_one

The brake cable , is that a replaceiment or a universal one , and let us know how well it fits ,  thanks ,  Blaine
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0