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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

New project... 1980 Runabout

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r4pinto

Thanks, me too. It'll be easier to run once the exhaust is on the car so for one the garage won't fill up with exhaust, but two the car won't be so loud. That'll be the easy part. the hard part will be pulling it off the 77 in one piece, then transferring it to the 80. The exhaust on the 80 was some rigged up welded up nightmare that was cut & spliced & crimped I really don't know how it ran decent. Hard to breath with crushed lungs. and the exhaust was so bent I'd think it would have been hard to flow
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

74 PintoWagon

Glad to hear it's running, keep it up you're just about there. 8) 8)
Art
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r4pinto

Thanks Dwayne. I'm thrilled. I had a good pedal before so I know there was no air in the system but there sure is now since I had the caliper fail when I tried to push the piston back in the bore. I will hold on to the old one so when I get a replacement it will go right to the parts store as a core, and then will keep the old 77 caliper as a spare.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Hey, you got her running!!!  Way to go!!!  Smart to make sure she can stop before you make that trip around the corner; definitely don't need an accident at this point!  Keep up the good work - you're almost there!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Pulled the pump off and it was bad. The plunger inside did not function, so no fuel pressure. New pump fixed that problem but new issue. Still no start. I'd pump the pedal and see it barely squirting from one nozzle, and not at all from the other. So knowing the engine ran when it was in the 77 I took the 77's carb and installed it. Took a few squirts of starter fluid  but the car finally ran and stayed running. I couldn't run it too long since it doesn't have any coolant or exhaust but was nice to hear it run. Tomorrow I will install the exhaust from the 77, as well as add coolant so I can set and adjust the timing since I changed the distributor. There were no fuel leaks from what I could tell so it's somewhat mission accomplished.

The brakes need gone through before I even consider driving this car. I knew the RF rotor was bad, but found a bad RF caliper, and brake hose as well. I now need to replace it, and will also be replacing the LF hose. Both were done in 2009 on the 77 so they are good.

I also installed the side marker bulbs from the 77, and will also be seeing if a bad bulb is causing no right tail light. When I say no light, I of course mean the bulb does not function. Tomorrow I will see what I can do about finishing the RF brake assembly, fixing the right tail light, and possibly installing the Kraco radio I have. The Clarion is the one I want in the car but the Kraco was already wired & just needs finished to work. I will worry about swapping later once I'm sure the car runs & drives.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

No start still. Found the car is not getting gas to the carb. I've replaced the fuel hoses, and fuel lines but the pump won't put out. It's a different pump than the engine had since the one that was on the engine broke when I installed the line. Replacement seems to not be working. The engine ran like a champ when in the 77 so I know the intermediate shaft was good. Now replacing the pump to see what happens.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

74 PintoWagon

Oh well, start over, just like I do, that's why I buy the stuff by the rolls, LOL..
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dga57

Quote from: russosborne on October 13, 2016, 12:15:03 AM

At least  you are about at the driving stage with this one.



And THAT is a major accomplishment!  Here's to a successful trip around the corner!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

russosborne

Quote from: r4pinto on October 10, 2016, 09:50:13 AM

This car I bought cuz it was a running, driving car with what I thought was a good body, and no rust underneath. I somehow missed a lot underneath and are not happy with myself.

Bottom line is I made a mistake with this car but I will do what I can do to save it. Will I keep it? I don't know. I feel to keep a car I need to have a feeling about it, and it's not there. For granted I had the fire a week after buying it and have yet to drive it but only time will tell after I get the car running and driving.

Matt, are you sure we aren't related?
I did the exact same thing with my Ranchero. Same issues, lots and lots of rust, apparently I knew some was there from reading my old posts, but no way no how did I realize just how bad it was. I think I have built in blinders for some cars.

At least  you are about at the driving stage with this one.

Russ
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r4pinto

The engine runs!!!!!! Turns out the engine was 90 degrees out of time. The engine ran great before so I knew it was fine mechanically so I rotated it by hand and found instead of firing on #1 it was #3. The car didn't want to stay running but it was also running out of gas. I set a goal to get her running today and I met it. Tomorrow I will put gas in her, change the RF brake rotor, hook up the exhaust, top off the fluids, and hopefully drive her around the corner.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

The car doesn't want to live. So I got the fuel lines routed, connected the vacuum lines, and installed the battery but no luck. Found a bad ground. Also charged up the battery. Cranked but no fire. Found out I forgot to install the rotor button. Got it installed and the car backfired immediately through the carb. Scared the tar out of me since the last time it happened I had a fire on my hands. I got to admit I am a little more paranoid than some might be but after the fire I don't want another.

I'm going to rotate the engine to TDC to see if it's out of time and will also pull the plugs if needed.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thinking I might get what I can and then use rubber fuel hose to finish it off


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Wasn't anywhere close. Unfortunately


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

74 PintoWagon

Well, as long as your close tweak it by hand.
Art
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r4pinto

Yup that's what I'm using. Just having issues with getting the right bend to it.


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

74 PintoWagon

I use this stuff to make brake/fuel lines it's the easiest stuff there is to use, it flares easy and it can be bent easy by hand for a final fit. Just about all parts store carry it and it's not expensive either.

http://agscompany.com/product-category/brake-fuel-transmission-lines/poly-armour/
Art
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r4pinto

Ran into issues with the fuel line from the pump to the carburetor.  I was bending the replacement line but then had a thought. I might be using space that isn't available. Sure enough the line was right where the power steering pump went. So I decided to install the power steering pump on the car. I also got the electrical wires cleaned of any grease & oil, and reinstalled them. I just couldn't leave them the way they were. I've put so much time in the engine compartment I needed to clean the harness. Now I do have a major issue with the alternator connector being long gone thanks to the fire and not being taken care of. For now I will plug it in and tape it up to prevent arcing. Not what I want to do but a harness I have from a 1980 wagon also had a broken connector that was previously siliconed up.

I also ran into an issue with the lower radiator hose. I bought new hoses in 2012 and when I went to install the lower it was discovered the hose I got was for an a/c car. Too long and it the sway bar. I cut it to make it fit, and still no go. New hose ordered and will be in tomorrow morning. I'm also going to figure what I need to do in order to make a functional fuel line. Once the car runs I will swap the RF brake rotor between the 77 & 80, as well as install the transmission mount bolts, exhaust, and tires from the 77. All goes according to plan it'll be driving tomorrow.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

74 PintoWagon

That will be a nice accomplishment.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

r4pinto

Thanks Dwayne I hope you're right. It's hard to tell when most the time the car has spent sitting but we'll see once I take that drive to Plain City, Ohio to complete her first drive since 2008. ( Completing the trip from when I bought her. )



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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Knowing firsthand what miracles you wrought on Harold II, despite tremendous odds, I have no doubt you'll bring this car to a much higher level!  I think once you actually get it on the road, you might start to get that "feeling" you're looking for.  Keep up the good work!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

LOL yup, I learned on each of my cars, and that's the important thing. I will fix this car, and if I don't have a good feeling then I will move on to the next one after I sell it. The car has its good points although being all filthy at the moment it's hard to see them. Only time will tell to see if it's worthy of my devotion and care.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

74 PintoWagon

Well, don't feel too bad I think most of us made that mistake at one time or another, lol..
Art
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r4pinto

Yup... While the engine was so covered it may have been from something else the alternator had no oil on it so I had my doubts.

As I sit here I think of the other cars I could have gotten. There was a green 74 sedan low miles car (40k miles) in North Carolina, a blue 78 wagon with a/c in North Carolina, a green 75 Runabout, and a few others. This car was what I thought was the best of them. Looking back I should have gone with my gut and got the 78 wagon. It had a big dent in the back but after everything that has happened with this car I am not sure I made the right choice.

My first Pinto was a runabout and while I liked it I never had a love affair for it. The 77 sedan I loved which is why I can't bring myself to get rid of it until I know for sure it's dead. This car I bought cuz it was a running, driving car with what I thought was a good body, and no rust underneath. I somehow missed a lot underneath and are not happy with myself.

Bottom line is I made a mistake with this car but I will do what I can do to save it. Will I keep it? I don't know. I feel to keep a car I need to have a feeling about it, and it's not there. For granted I had the fire a week after buying it and have yet to drive it but only time will tell after I get the car running and driving.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

74 PintoWagon

Well, in that case you did the right thing to just replace it..
Art
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r4pinto

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on October 10, 2016, 07:42:30 AM
Could just wash it down good and watch for a leak, may not need replacing??.

The blistering on the reservoir was pretty drastic so I was concerned about the integrity of it. There was also a lot of grease around the pump shaft itself. While it may have been ok I was concerned besides the blistering on the reservoir the shaft seal was also bad. Not wanting to chance it I got a replacement from Autozone. It'll be going on the car HOPEFULLY today or tomorrow.

I did manage to get the fuel lines connected at the back of the car yesterday, and fabricated a bracket to hold them to the underside of the car. Made it out of some roll strapping I had in the garage. The original bracket was rusted away, but felt it needed to be there to secure it. The lines aren't perfect but functional. My 77 had rust galore but oddly enough the fuel lines were good on it. If I end up scrapping that car then its fuel lines will eventually go to the 80 when I pull everything off to wire brush and coat everything.

There were also wiring connections I had to repair due to the fire so I took those connections in the house, and soldered them. The only one I am having an issue with is the alternator connection at the harness. For that I might have to get a small torch to heat the thicker gauge wire so I can solder that . The connector fell apart in 2012 and needs replaced.

The car was a barn car. While some areas are in much better shape than the 77 was there are others that are still nasty. I will eventually drop everything from underneath, wire brush or wire wheel everything, and then use POR-15 to coat and seal all the metal. The car does have some weak points in the floor but has a much more solid floor than the 77.

Today I need to measure the fuel line under the hood to replace it. The one from the 1980 had a split and tossed, the one from the 77 wouldn't line up and was slightly pinched off in one spot.

I was cleaning the interior of the car some trying to locate a missing aluminum spacer for the fuel pump guard and did see something that concerns me. Cut wires. When I bought the car it only had one door speaker working so I removed the passenger kick panel. Behind it was a bunch of cut wires. I never cut anything in the car so I will use the 1980 Ford electrical guide to track down what those wires are for. When I was driving it in 2012 my Dad was behind me so I know he would have said something about no lights at the back.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

74 PintoWagon

Could just wash it down good and watch for a leak, may not need replacing??.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

r4pinto

Got the compression fittings needed to install the fuel lines. Still on the fence on the original power steering pump since it has blistering and signs of leaks, being all greasy. Now it could have been from the massive oil leak on the engine but I can't say for certain. Only thing is cash is low. In all reality I should be replacing it. Decisions, decisions
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well, not quite but done enough to drive. The 77 Pinto has good tires that will go on the 80. It needs a bit of work to be restored and driven regular but hopeful to get it on the road so I can park the Impala to fix her leaky oil pan & intake gasket
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

74 PintoWagon

Sounds like just about done, that's great..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

r4pinto

Ran in to issues Sunday. the 5/16" compression union to fix the fuel line was smaller than the OD of the line. Got the line routed but need to get a new union, and the 1/4" union wasn't a union at all. Gotta buy a new one. Once I do that I can plumb the fuel lines. I'm on vacation next week so my goal is to have her driving by next Friday.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress