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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

New project... 1980 Runabout

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r4pinto

Haven't done anything to my car but one thing I got that will be going in this car is a different radio. My dad once had a 1982 Plymouth Reliant and the car had a radio in it I liked. When he sold the car for $50 he kept the radio. At one time I installed the radio in a Ford Tempo I sold him. When he sold the car the radio went with it. Well, while on ebay I found the same type of radio. Paid more for it than I should have but I don't care. It's the exact radio I want.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

I hope you're right Russ.

I gotta get my butt in gear if I'm to make the Ohio meet. Wednesday I'm golfing in the morning but then focusing on getting the engine yanked from the 80 & the engine starting to be yanked from the 77. Let the good times roll.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

russosborne

Hey, Matt.  ;D

Sorry to hear about Harold II, but glad to see you got another car. Sounds like you are on the right track. The new car doesn't hate you, it is just giving you tough love. Making you prove yourself worthy. ;D ;D ;D

We moved to Phoenix and now I have a 74 wagon.
Wish I could have gotten another Pinto while we were still in Ohio, I miss being able to go to the Ohio get togethers. Doesn't seem to be much of Pinto following here.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

r4pinto

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on June 24, 2014, 08:47:57 PM
I know they made several different length starters so maybe you are cursed with a long version.

All 3 racks I've pulled have required me to burn the bushings out then slide the rack off & heat the steel sleeve cherry red to get it off the rack bolts.

I guess in some ways I was lucky on the 77 then. A major rust bucket to the point where if I hit a pot hole or speed bump hard enough the RR leaf spring could come separated from the car one of these days, & yet I was able to drop the rack low enough to get the starter off. We'll see what happens when I tackle it next.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Pinto5.0

I know they made several different length starters so maybe you are cursed with a long version.

All 3 racks I've pulled have required me to burn the bushings out then slide the rack off & heat the steel sleeve cherry red to get it off the rack bolts.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

r4pinto

Interesting.. I'll just have to see what I can figure out & maybe get lucky. On the rusty 77 I was able to drop the rack to get the starter in & out of the car with little problem. On the 80 it's VERY clean down there thanks to a nice leaky oil pan & rear seal lol. We'll see what happens. Just a little too frustrated to mess with it today.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Pinto5.0

I'm not sure. Both were 2.3 cars & I never dropped the rack. On an Ohio car that rack ain't coming out anyhow due to rust & corrosion. If necessary I'd take out the motor mount bolt & jack the engine instead.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

r4pinto

Quote from: Pinto5.0 on June 24, 2014, 07:46:35 PM
I've changed starters without dropping the rack before.

What's your secret?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Pinto5.0

I've changed starters without dropping the rack before.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

r4pinto

I was cleaning my garage up today so I can get the engine pulled & went ahead & got the right side tires off the 77 Pinto. Got the RF tire on the 80 but couldn't get the RR off the 80. It's on there so tight it wouldn't come off kicked & kicked at it but no dice. Need to get a big hammer to knock that sucker off the car. Went to my workout tonight & when I came home I was gonna pull the starter. Wrong!!! I ran into another problem. I need to get a couple wrenches & sockets from my Dad's house to drop the rack & pinion. Once I do that I can get the starter off & check into the exhaust pipe.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Got the hood pulled off the car & also noticed the bracket the hood latch was mangled so I removed the latch & straightened it up. It's now straight & ready for me to continue the repairs on the car. If all goes according to plan I will be pulling the engine and getting ready to install the replacement engine by the weekend.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: dianne on June 22, 2014, 04:20:32 PM
I'm sorry to hear about your setback. I loved those seats... Hope you can get it fixed up!

Pics of the damage?

Thanks. 2 years ago the engine fire happened but it didn't take out the whole car. Post 8 on page 2 has the damage of the burned parts. I know that once I get the engine in from the 77 I should be able to get the car running. Gotta install wiring harnesses & other parts to it but as long as I have fuel & spark it should fire right up for a test run.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dianne

Quote from: r4pinto on June 24, 2012, 09:05:29 PM
Had myself a setback today. I replaced the accelerator pump diaphragm & was doing some other work to the car. Tried to start it but it didn't wanna go. Finally the carb backfired & next thing I knew the engine was on fire!!!  :o  I ran to the garage & grabbed the fire extinguisher but couldn't get it working! Dad  saw me freaking out so I yelled at him that my car was on fire & to call 911. He ran outside  & ran to the back yard & got the garden hose. He got the fire out & within 15 minutes we were looking over the damage.

I now need a set of plug wires, various vacuum lines, and parts of the wiring harness repaired. We'll see what happens now.

I'm sorry to hear about your setback. I loved those seats... Hope you can get it fixed up!

Pics of the damage?
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r4pinto

Quote from: Runabout75 on June 16, 2014, 03:08:14 PM
Great save. Sorry about the engine fire. Hope you can bring it back.

Thanks

The car currently sits in my garage but later on tonight I'm gonna get the shop light from my Dad's house, remove the hood, and start tearing into the engine compartment to get it ready to pull. I figure I should be able to pull it rather easily. The 77 donor car will fire right up with the push of a button- rigged starter system. Gotta move the mowers out of the way so I can get the engine hoist in there. Then I can go ahead & yank the engine block. The old engine will sit on some old tires until I can get my engine stand from my Dad's house & mount the bare block that is currently on it, in the 77. There is so much to do to the car before it makes the trip to Michigan. Hopefully I will have the majority of the work done before the trip. If the car runs and stops I will be a happy camper.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Runabout75

Great save. Sorry about the engine fire. Hope you can bring it back.
Runabout75

r4pinto

The car is at my house, as is the 77 parts car with the engine that will go in the 80. In the next day or two I'm gonna remove the hood, and start to get the engine pulled on the 80 so I can get the engine compartment ready for the 77s engine. When I went to Carlisle this year I got the car a grille, as well as the rocker panel trim I need. Hope to get those parts installed soon, as well as the tires from the 77 on. I got a set of hubcaps from an 84-85 Ford Tempo that will be going on the car. Not exactly the right ones for the car but nicer than the steel wheels.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

The car pretty much looks the same as it did at the beginning of the year but 2014 will be the start of a new year. The car is still at my dad's house but I am going to figure a way to push it to my house to swap the engine with the 77 sedan. That car is being parted out due to severe rust and rather than do a half way rebuild I am going to yank the engine out of the 78 and install it on my engine stand, and drop in the engine from the 77. Since I've pretty much got settled at my house I hope to start the work in 2014.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Now for the mirrors
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Pics of the head & block:
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Since I decided I am going to Carlisle this year I have kicked things into high gear so to speak. I have gone ahead & got me a little work done on the car today and hope to get more done, provided the weather stays nice. We're supposed to get snow so I'm not sure what else I will be able to get done in the next few days.
Since it was nice enough I decided to clean up the cylinder head and get ready to reassemble it. I degreased it completely & got it all scraped of any old head gasket material & then took it by the garage door to give it a fresh coat of Ford Blue paint. While I was at it I also painted the block so it looks a little better. Not as good of a job as my 77 but better than it was.
In addition I also took the time to install the mirrors I had in the garage. The paint doesn't match & they need cleaned up but they look better than what the car had before, which was nothing.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

While coming home from some errands something popped off in my head. The radiator cap looked ancient & is a cheap fix so I went ahead & got a new radiator cap. At this time I'm gonna prolly end up installing it & leaving the heater core alone to save a few bucks. Worse case scenario I gotta disconnect the heater core for now but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. The carpet is shot anyways so I can't ruin it.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

When it rains, it pours.....
Tried to work on the car some since it was so beautiful out today. Got the engine deck scraped down of any gasket material & fired up my compressor hoping to be able to remove the crank bolt. Luck was not on my side today, as it decided not to come out. Not because it doesn't want to, but because my impact decided to die on me. Not good considering I haven't had it long. Nope, can't return it since I got it at a flea market. It worked fine before but I had it on the garage floor. Apparently it floods to the point that water got to it & killed it. Same thing that happened to the last one. I wish Dad would friggin listen to me & fix the dang drain that is flooding the garage!!
Anyways I went ahead & tried to pressure test the radiator & it won't hold pressure. It was one out of an older Pinto anyways so I'm not too heartbroken but now I gotta track down a darn radiator since I can't pull the one from the 77 just yet. It gets better. Because of that now I am in complete doubt that I can save that heater core, especially with the crap that was coming out of it when I was flushing it. I officially think the Pinto Gods hate me, sending me this piece of junk to get back to running shape. I am beginning to think the only good thing on it is the fact that the floors have no rot & the interior is the deluxe interior. Not much else good about it at this time.
Especially since today I found out my rear window is leaking water at the window seal. I peel back the seal a little bit & there is some rust forming, indicating it's been leaking for some time.
Lastly I was going to install my spare water pump since the original is nasty & prolly no good considering everything else on the cooling system is shot, and couldn't find it for anything! At that point I gave up since the car clearly wants to piss me off. Was thinking of pulling the cylinder head off the work bench & giving it a quick coat of paint but with the way my luck was going with the car today I would prolly drop it on my foot & end up in the hospital lol.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

I wish I had pics of it before I fixed it but too late for that now lol. Here's some of the repair
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Today I got motivated big time so I started to work on the car. First thing I wanted to do is straighten out that crumpled mess of a lower core support. It was so bad the hood latch bracket that went from top to bottom of the core support was twisted up. I got out the torch & started to heat it up. I was heating & hammering but no luck. My Dad came out to give me a hand but still no luck. Then the lightbulb went off... Why not use a hydraulic jack as a ram to push it back into shape?
No luck. All the fluid would drain away from the cylinder & not pump. So Dad had an idea... Why not use the spare jack I had from the 77 Pinto? He got it in place wedged against the back of the bumper with the notch lined in the hole for the latch bracket. With the help of a Toyota lug wrench, and a little heat that sucker bent right back into shape!
I went ahead & filled up a pan of water & clinched the lower core support to keep it from bending back when I removed the jack. I let it cool for an additional 10 minutes & removed the jack. SUCCESS!!!!
The core support is now fixed so all I gotta do is put the hood latch bracket back on. Since it is all wet & dirty I can't paint it or anything but I will be doing that when I can so it looks better. Not seen much but I want it to look as good as possible.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Couldn't find my valve spring compressor so I picked one up from Harbor Freight for $15. When I got home I used it to remove the valves from the head. The valves are now soaking on cleaner, and tomorrow I plan on going over them with a brush to finish cleaning them. When I removed the valve stem seals they were cracking & crumbling bigtime. About half of them broke off in two pieces as I removed them from the head. Tomorrow I will also degrease the cylinder head so it'll be nice and clean once the valves are reinstalled in the head.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Got some work done to the cylinder head. Went ahead & cleared a spot on my work bench & scraped off the old dirt & grease, as well as any old gasket material. The engine had never been apart & the intake manifold gasket actually had the Ford logo on it. Next I removed the bad cam followers & camshaft. The lifters didn't want to come out too well as they were a bit varnished. I have them soaking over night & will make sure the lifter bosses are grime free before reinstalling them. The cam gasket was shot & leaking bigtime. With a sharpie I marked the valves & will soak them once I have them removed from the head. There is a lot of baked on carbon & oil so I gotta take care of making sure they are clean. Tomorrow I will look for my valve spring compressor & remove the valve springs so I can soak them & clean the head before reassembly with the ranger roller cam & followers.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Taking another cost cutting measure. For now I'm gonna bypass the heater core so I can get the car driveable & make sure the radiator is ok. I'm gonna pressure test it but have my doubts that it will be alright. The other cost cutting measure is I am gonna try to salvage the intake manifold even though it was corroded bigtime inside. We'll see what happens.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well I figured out how to save a little money. What I'm going to do is take the heater core from the 77 parts car & install that in the 80. While the core is prolly the original one from 77 I always had good heat from the 77 so I might as well use what I have instead of buying new. Depending on weather I will be pulling the box from the 77 to get the heater core for the 80 this weekend.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Since it was so nice today I went ahead & painted the valve cover & timing cover I'm going to use for my car's engine. It wasn't necessary but it will make it look better. The timing cover was a spare unit I had in my parts selection & the valve cover was the original cover. I pulled the clean rocker arms out of the cleaner & set them on a clean rag to let them dry out some so I can inspect them. On Thursday I get paid so I can then get a can of brake cleaner to make sure they are clean of any residue and the bearings spin freely.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

The toriginal so I hermostat housing was actually rusted about half inch down so I have a replacement housing. The t-stat was the original so I got a replacement. The water pump is ok but I'm prolly gonna use a spare pump I have in the garage & replace it with a new unit when I pull the engine to be rebuilt. I'm not sure about the condition of the core plugs or the heater core but I'm more than likely gonna replace the heater core. I'm not even sure about the condition of the radiator. I ran water through it until it was clear but not sure of what to expect of it. Hopefully it's not shot as well.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress