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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

New project... 1980 Runabout

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Pinto5.0

I'd bet your heater core is nearly plugged as well & that antifreeze became acidic & ate the aluminum. It has something to do with electrolisis in the cooling system. That's the reason for bi-annual flush & fills or 5 year coolant. That is OLD coolant.

I would pop the soft plugs out(I'm betting they are nearly rotted through) and flush all the water passages in the head & block. Your water pump & thermostat housing are gonna be nasty as well. Use brass freeze plugs & a good brass thermostat, trust me....
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

r4pinto

Yep, the manifold is done for. I scraped at more corrosion that was in there & underneath was some nasty wear inside. Considering the facts that it is a greasy mess, combined with the corrosion inside I'm gonna be getting a replacement manifold.

Anything worth doing is worth doing right and I don't feel using a corroded manifold would be right, let alone a good idea.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

That's what I'm thinking of doing. I'm not too sure it's gonna be good considering how plugged the intake was.

I did manage to poke & scrape at the manifold & got the blockage taken care of but considering how bad it was I'm pretty sure it's gonna be done for. 
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

cromcru

i say replace the heater core. i went thru the same thing when i bought my 74 in jan of 2010. it well save you major headaches later on.

79 bobcat  78 ford pinto station wagon   93 ford mustang lx   90 ford mustang cont lx  63 chevy truck    52 studebaker 2r16a

r4pinto

Three more. With this I'm starting to question whether or not to replace the heater core while this is all apart.

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

First pic is the goop that is in the manifold cooling port
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

It seems this car hates me soooooo much.

I got the carb all back together & decided to start cleaning up the intake manifold. I sprayed it with some degreaser and sprayed the ports down. I wasn't gonna remove the cover where the coolant runs through since it wasn't leaking but after seeing the nastyness in the coolant port I went ahead & removed it. That was so disgusting that I'm not sure how the coolant was flowing from how plugged it is.

What's so irritating is that as frustrating the 77 was one thing I can say without a doubt is the cooling system was not a mess. I only drove the car about 3-5 miles before the LF blew & I don't even know how the car made it that far with this plugged cooling system.

I'm highly considering looking for another intake since this thing is so plugged I don't know how it will even come clean.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thanks Dwayne, The polish I'm using is called Royal Blue. I bought it at the Ohio State Fair and it's doing exactly what they claimed. the 1980 and the center caps are proof of that.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

I'd say that's a major improvement!
Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Thanks Dwayne & Pinto5.0  ;D . I hope to be able to take the car on the stampede this year since I won't be going to Carlisle since I'm buying a house this June.

Since it's in the 20s today and I don't have heat in the garage I wasn't able to work on the car much so I went ahead & grabbed the alloy wheel caps from the garage. They aren't perfect but turned out pretty good.

The one on the right is how they looked when I got them off ebay, and the one on the left is the end result after polishing.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

It really is starting to look good, Matt.  Keep up the good work!
Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pinto5.0

All the work payed off. It cleaned up nice.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

r4pinto

Forgot to mention something interesting I found when I was polishing the paint on my car. Rivets evenly spaced on the rocker panels, one every 5 or 6 inches down the center, and on the lower fender as well. From what I found out my car prolly had the lower rocker panel moulding from the factory, as well as possibly the wheel well trim. Farther investigation will be done tomorrow in the day time and I will then decide what to do later on. If the car had that stuff from the factory I would love to get the exterior accents back but I know they would be very very hard to find.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Did a little more work. I went ahead & used some Meguire's quick detail on the metal dash & it cleaned up nicely. I had removed the old headlight switch so I went ahead & installed the NOS unit I bought on ebay a few months ago, and re-installed the instrument cluster. The car is slowly coming together with what I can do while without a working air compressor.
I also went ahead & checked the process or the carb soaking, as well as the soaking bolts, and degreased the valve cover. The spare valve cover I have in the garage looks in worse shape than the original valve cover so I chose to go with what I had. The head bolts are also soaking, and come tomorrow I will be checking the threads, as well as running a tap through the bolt holes. If all goes according to plan I will be reassembling the top end of the engine.
I have a brass wheel I wanna use on the combustion chambers, and want to change out the bad valve stem seals as well before installing the head.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Pics!
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

I was bored & since my air compressor is dead I couldn't do much to the car. With that in mind I decided to polish it up. The paint is really rouch & some areas are crusty, rusty but for now she looks better than before. The name Fred seems to keep popping in my head for some reason so her name is Fred. Fred is now as shiney as she can get for the time being. I hope that I can push the car up the driveway soon and get the tires swapped over. Otherwise she will look pretty ratty with those 14s lol.

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

From where I'm sitting she's BEAUTIFUL!
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Even though I washed it I still can't believe how much better the car looks.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Results of first bath the car has had since at least 2008, if not longer
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Pics of the polished paint
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Today I washed the car & she already looks a lot better. I went ahead & was cleaning up the carb & decided to work on the engine some. The inside of the rear timing cover was nasty with oil so I removed it to inspect the intermediate shaft. I removed the gear & the first thing I noticed was a groove in the shaft. Not good that I would need to replace the intermediate shaft but I went ahead & checked a spare engine block that came from a 1980 Ford Courier. I still had the shaft in the block so I removed it & found it to be in perfect shape! Went ahead & cleaned it up, lubed up the bearings with assembly lube & installed it. I wasn't able to remove the crank pulley, since my air compressor decided to die on me. The starter is still on the car & it is at the bottom of a slanted driveway, so locking the flexplate isn't an option. I gotta either pick up a new air compressor or think of another way to remove the crank pulley bolt.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Major brain fart with the carb. Not good to let the parts soak for almost 7 months. Everything in the cleaning solution is gummed up & will prolly be junk. Stupid mistake but oh well. Time to start from the beginning & try again. Good thing I got a couple parts carbs to replace the parts that are too far gummed up.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

When it rains, it pours. Literally!!  >:( >:(  First nice week in a long time & I can't work on the car due to the rain. I was able to get a little work done though. I degreased the driver side of the engine block, removed the radiator, started to scrape the block, found another carb to install, found a water leak inside I didn't know about, and buffed the paint on the front clip.
The water leak I'm talking about was found on accident. I was in the car looking at the fuse box when I noticed water coming down the passenger door speaker. Not sure where it's coming from but I think it's from either the loose door mirror or bad door seal. Not much else has been done to the car because of the rain but I did also find a bent up radiator core support. It was so bent up the center bracket that supports the grille & hood release was twisted. I figure to remove it what I will do is take off the bumper for better access and heat up the core support before beating it out with my BFH.
The car isn't gonna be perfect by any means but I don't wanna chance anything happening to the radiator, which was a little jacked up at the bottom anyways. When I get a moment I will post the pics of the work on the front clip. The paint sucks but at least it shines up a little.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Installed the radio antenna from the 77 to the 80. The one on the 80 looked like crap, being all pitted & nasty. Stupid aftermarket POS. It's not hooked up but looks better than the old one.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Went ahead & swapped out the lock buttons & the turn signal stalk on the 80. There were some jacked up aftermarket crap installed on the 80 so I installed the OE styled ones that were on the 77. May not be much progress but it's better than nothing.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

First day back in a long while... Anyways, haven't had the time or patience to work on the car lately as I've been working on myself lately. Had some issues to take care of financially & actually got out & enjoyed life for a while. Anyways, I plan on soon rebuilding the cylinder head & getting the car running. Eventually an entire rebuild is in the car's future & while I am rebuilding the original 91k mile engine the 77s 124k engine will be in its place.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Went ahead & got back to the junkyard to see if I could get the cam from the Ranger. Well, I wasn't able to get it from the Ranger but found a 93 Ranger that was willing to give up its cam. Got the cam & later on got to work on the car. I managed to get the exhaust manifold and intake manifold off the head. When I looked at the water jacket on the intake it was pretty much plugged with all the  crud & corrosion. I was so pissed at what I saw I went ahead & pulled the head. That engine didn't want to give it up but eventually lost. Got the head off the car, to see a nasty looking head gasket but it was still in ok shape. Some places looked a bit bad but overall fine for a 32 year old head gasket. I also checked out the timing belt tensioner & it spins way too easily & is rather noisy. No shocker there as it was the same way on my 77 when I tore into it. I gotta see what I can do to get this thing fixed but know that won't be an easy task as of yet. This car was not taken care of mechanically & it shows.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Went to the junkyard to get a roller cam & followers. Managed to get the roller followers but the Ranger didn't wanna give up the cam. Don't wanna do this but will be buying a new cam & use the followers I got from the junkyard. It will be in Tuesday. While I am waiting for it to come in I am gonna get the gaskets & other parts so I can start getting that stuff all taken care of. I got a way to pressure test the radiator so I will do so to make sure it's fine. Once I get the water pump, cylinder head & water outlet installed I will be flushing the entire cooling system out to make sure all the crud is out of the engine.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Today when I got home from work I dove into the Pinto's engine.  The engine had a bad oil leak & what caused it was the fact the valve cover bolts were not tight. I didn't even need the ratchet to loosen them. I removed the valve cover & the inside was immaculate! Not one bit of sludge whatsoever. I did notice a nearly new gasket ruined by clear silicone. the gasket even came off in one piece. No cleanup there. I will be degreasing the valve cover & repainting it, as the original paint has seen better days. I checked out the cam & no suprise, it is worn out. All the lobes were worn so I will be getting a replacement. I will look for a Ranger roller cam but if I can't find one I will go ahead & install another slider cam. Next I removed the water pump & found it is okay. No corrosion to the impeller at all! I will degrease it & reinstall it on the block, once I remove all the old sealer that was glopped on so thick the bolts were sticking in the bolt holes.

What was supposed to be an easy fix is turning into more with every turn of the wrench. Oh well, cars will be cars.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

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Quote from: sedandelivery on September 08, 2012, 08:42:25 PM
Absolutly replace the pump. I had a similar situation and I took off my pump to find the impeller was almost completely rusted away. A new pump only cost 30.00 I think for a new one.

That's another reason i will be pulling the old one. I wanna make sure there is no corrosion to the impeller. I'm thinking there has to be some since the corrosion was bad enough to eat away at the t-stat housing. That's also why I am considering replacing the head gasket. It's my fear that if one part is badly corroded how will the rest be.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress