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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Restoring my 1971 Ford Pinto Trunk Model

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Smallfryefarm:

Hay!!!!!  haha (I know it's Hey!!)....wish I could be in the Hay field with you, I use to love to bail when I was a kid.  Grew up in farm country, south of Muncie, Indiana...those farmers made good use of us country boys.  It was hard work, but I always had a good time.  Anyway, thanks for the belated birthday.....I had a great day.  My youngest son age 27, daughter age 21, and niece age 21, went to a car show with me on my birthday...we had a blast!!!!  I couldn't take either of my Pintos, they were both in the shop, but there were over 200 cars there.  It was fantastic.  The show took place about 5 miles north of Tipton, Indiana, at a working 1950s town.  Apparently this guy has built this town, in his back yard, and it includes a service station, movie theatre, barber shop, diner, and several other attractions.  It was a great place for a car show, and I had a blast.  It was a very special birthday, because my kids wanted to be there with me.  If you're interested go to asummerplace.org it'll tell you all about it.  Have a great day... Larry
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

smallfryefarm

Sounds like you run into some luck with this guy. i havnt had the time to work on mine latley hopefully after hay season i will be able to get her on the road at least. by the way late  :happy_bday: old man.   ;D
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larjohnson

Well.....the glass shop said the leak in the cowl was beyond their expertise.  They recommended a body shop.  I ran into a guy the other day that use to work for a garage in Muncie, Indiana, which had done work for me in the past.  He seemed to do okay when he worked on my car, and he told me he had started a small country garage near my home.  Therefore, I took it to him, he said no prob!!!!! he'd just cut the rust out and replace it with new metal.  I think he'll do just fine.  Anyway, he wants to paint the car, so I told him to give me an estimate.  He did some minor body work on my daughter's car a few times, and did a pretty good job.  So..... we'll see, if the estimate is good, I told him I'd just leave the car with him and he could do it.  He went over the car with a fine tooth comb, looked like he knew what he was doing, and told me what he could do to repair the scrapes and dings, which comes with a 38 year old car.  Hopefully, in a couple of weeks, the new paint "could" be on it.  Anyway, looking forward to getting the car put together, and taking it to some local shows.
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Smallfryefarm and beegle55:  Yes....I thought the first time at the glass shop would take care of the problem.  They did fix the other two, but for some reason this third leak started.  Don't know why...maybe it was just time.  I'm sure they'll get her taken care of.   Can't wait to put the new interior in...it's going to look fantastic.  I'm psyched.....  I'll post pix soon.....thanks for the encouragement....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

beegle55

Larry,
I hope you get some luck and get the leaks fixed so you can move forward with you project. A nagging problem is no fun. Luckily enough in my own case, all I need to do to fix my leaks is order and install new weatherstripping, even though it isn't really a task I'm looking forward to.  :rolleye: But keep up the great work and good luck to you!

     -beegle55
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smallfryefarm

Larry mine had a few holes on that side to up around the wiper motor in the cowl. they were easier to fix on that side. not as much rust over their mainly just seem sealed them up.
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larjohnson

Okay...ran a test this weekend on the 1971.  Left her out in a heavy rain storm... leaked...Leaked....Leaked.  This time behind the brake pedal.  It seems the other two leaks are repaired though.  Apparently, the water redirected itself to another small hole.  Called the glass shop today, they're taking her back to look at her again.  Oh well....I'll just wait another week to put the interior in.    Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

Carolina Boy

Go Lar-ry, Go Lar-ry, Go Lar-ry!!!!!!!!

Keep it up and you'll be styling and profiling in a new Pinto!!
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

larjohnson

Well...I'm back on track with the 1971, I'm excited  :amazed: about getting the new interior in it, it'll look fantastic.  I did contact my shop today, and asked them to start looking for parts to rebuild the rearend, as there's a noise in it.  They've driven it before, and told me it either needed to be rebuilt or replaced.  They are looking for the parts now, and once they have them, it'll be going in for that repair.  I think this is the last thing the car needs.  Come July, the car goes to the body shop, it'll be a fantastic piece of Ford history, I just cannot wait....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

smallfryefarm

Larry sounds exciting. Glad you got the leaks stopped. Nothing worse than wet carpet. Keep up the good work hopefully we will both be ready for a show or two later this year. I am wanting to hear mine run so bad its keeping me up at night. Once i get that far i think it will take some pressure off, hope so at least.
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larjohnson

Well....the glass place called me this morning, and let me know they had found two holes in the cowl, and have repaired them.  They kept the 1971 Pinto over the weekend, because we were going to have some rains, and they stored it outside to see if it'd leak.  It did not....hallelujah!!!!!  They're pretty sure it's repaired, so I'm hoping to start putting the new carpet and interior back in it this week.  It'll look great!!!!!  I'm going to put the garden hose on it when I get it home, just to make sure, but this place seems to do a great job, and I'm sure they've corrected the problem.  I just found out I'm going to have the money to get the car repainted in July, that way it'll be ready for an all Ford show I want to attend in Septebmer.  I'm stoked!!!!!!
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Well......the car window shop called and have found the two leaks I have in the Pinto.  They are going to repair them, hopefully today, and the Pinto will be ready to come home.  We'll just hope the holes they found in the cowl, are what's causing the problems.  Anyway, if it works, new carpet will be installed this weekend......yay......!!!!!!!
Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Dave:  Hey thanks for the information, I'm not too great at these types of details.  I'm hoping the glass shop can repair the cowl problem without much difficulty, but we'll see.  I just have to leave these types of things to the pros.  Anyway, just found out I can get the Pinto painted in July, that'll be great.  The interior should be completed by then.  This will be a great little car....can't wait to take it to it's first show.   Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dave1987

Larry, if you look around the windshield and back glass from the inside, you will see some rubber going around them. That's the inside of the glass gasket. The headliner is between the body and that gasket, and the only way to install or remove the headliner successfully is to take the glass out. The problem is, that there is no real way of saving both the gasket and the glass. The safest way to remove the glass is to cut the seal around the glass from the outside, push the glass out from the inside, then remove the remains of the gasket once the glass is out.

Kim, it is PVC tape that was used on these cars. I haven't looked around to find out who might carry it though. I need to check with my local glass shops to see what they have to say.
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larjohnson

Yes.....I'm told though the cowl is what the problem was...but I'm no expert.  Reed had apparently tried to repair, but it still had some leakage.  Anyway, I'm hoping they can seal the cowl up, and that'll take care of the problem.  I'll be getting a new headliner put in soon, and I'm going to have them replace the windshield seal when they do that.  I don't understand it totally, but apparently they'll have to take the windshield and back glass out, to install the new headliner.  It's great being a Pinto owner.......
Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

pintogirl

Quote from: dave1987 on April 27, 2009, 01:47:41 PM
You should get details on how the new windshield gasket goes in. Kim (I think that's who) replaced hers and had a lot of issues with it leaking, leading to a cracked windshield while pulling it out to fix it after the first install.

I will be doing my own windshield before winter comes around again and want to get it done right. I can't go without the car as of now it is my only transportation until I can get my girlfriend's Taurus running for her again (then I get my Saturn back).

Yes you are right Dave. I was the one that had alot of problems trying to install a new gasket. I think I know what went wrong and I hope apply the prognosis on my green Pinto. I think the first time it was installed, we installed it over the old pvc or pcv tape that was originally on the car. That was most likely old and I know it did fold over in a few spots (know this because it was bent over when we took the "now" broken sheild out). My husband thought that was the cause and figured it would be better to just sand it off. He then figured we would put silicone around the gasket where the winshield sits in it, then around the gasket where the body of the car sits in it. Well, that made it even worse. So we ended up having the kid (one who installs windshields) come over and run a bead of his windshield goop around the gasket in between the gasket and the body of the car. This finally stopped the leak. It was totally the wrong way to do it, but we didn't want to buy a new windshield again, and neither did we want to buy a new gasket.

So, I think if we would have sanded off the old pvc or pcv (not sure the correct name of it, but it is mentioned somewhere on this site, probably in my problem windshield post! LOL )tape, then we should have installed new pvc tape, then the windshield and gasket. Only thing is, I don't know where to buy this tape. I will need to find out before we install the new gasket in my green car! That is once I buy the gasket! LOL

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dave1987

You should get details on how the new windshield gasket goes in. Kim (I think that's who) replaced hers and had a lot of issues with it leaking, leading to a cracked windshield while pulling it out to fix it after the first install.

I will be doing my own windshield before winter comes around again and want to get it done right. I can't go without the car as of now it is my only transportation until I can get my girlfriend's Taurus running for her again (then I get my Saturn back).
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Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

smallfryefarm

get back at it when you can Larry its like taking medicine, it makes you feel good.
I tell you Larry i feel guilty i worked all day sat day lite to dark on mine and i would venture to say no one had as much fun as i did this week end. I just need to figure out how to make a living with out going to work i could spend all week out their.
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larjohnson

Took the 1971 Pinto I got from Washington State to the repair shop on Friday.  I'm having the cowl worked on, to repair where it's leaking.  It's a glass install shop, but they think they can fix it.  They've done work for me in the past, and I'm sure they'll take care of it.  Anyway, just chickened out on the cowl, thought I'd better leave that to the experts.  Don't want to put the new carpet in, until I'm sure it's not going to leak.  Right now, I just need to get back to work on the Pinto, and get my mind off other things.

Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

smallfryefarm

Larry hope thing are getting better. I know the pinto will be waiting to give you some mental therapy.
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dga57

Gee... and you were making such great progress!

Nothing too bad, I hope.

Hang in there,
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

larjohnson

Well...life has gotten a little tough the last few weeks, and I haven't been able to work on the 71 Ford Pinto I got from Reed in Washington State.  Things just happen I guess, but I'll be back at it in about a week.  The Pinto is safely tucked away in my garage, and I haven't forgotten about it.  Look forward to the therapy I'll receive, while working on a car I love.  Wish all a great day.....

Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Well I've chickened out on my cowl...I found a place locally who will look at my cowl on the 1971 Pinto and hopefully repair it. It's leaking pretty badly.   I'm taking it there this week...wish me luck.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Yeah!!!! I know, got great advise from smallfryefarm about the cowl; however, I've chickened out.  Made an appointment with a shop in Muncie, Indiana to look the problem over.  They think they can fix it, I guess we'll see.  I just knew this was going to be alot to tackle, with my limited expertise, and I want to ensure it's fixed and won't leak further.  I love this Pinto, and I want to protect her as best as possible.  I'm still working on a name for this beauty, have a great friend that loves it as much as I. I think I'll name it for him, just don't know what to come up with yet....but I'll think of something.  Friends are A gift God gives us, we should cherish the wealth they bring to us.... Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Yes.... I've been working on the pix situation.  Don't know what's up...but I'm going to have a Buddy help me....maybe I'll become a little more literate on picture taking and downloading.  Yeah!!!! it is great driving this little baby  :fastcar:.....looking forward to a great summer.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

pintogirl

Congrats!!!!! It's a great feeling getting to drive your Pinto after waiting and working on it!!!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dave1987

Very cool! I bet you've already got road trips planned! :)

Now lets see some higher resolution photos of this  beauty! ;)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

larjohnson

Yeah!!! 1971 is up and running.  The alternator was replaced, due to warranty.  The dash cluster was swapped out, took the replacement cluster out, put the original one back in.  The headlight problem was strictly due to the bulbs being burned out....imagine that!!!  New dimmer switch was installed though, they thought it needed replaced.  And hallelujah the push button start is off, and the ignition works again....yeah!!!!!!  Drove the car home, just needs to be driven.  I'll be doing a lot of that now...... I'll keep you all posted on it's progress...I'm thinking yeah spring is here, what fun I'm going to have... Larry
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Hey thanks.... I hope I have the skills and abilities to take care of that.  We'll see...thanks for your input....guess I'll be getting my hands dirty and feet wet!!!! no pun intended.... :lol:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

smallfryefarm

Larry i had the same cowl problem, i took out the heater box and cut out the section of cowl that has the heater box hole in it. I made a new peice the same shape and made a 2 inch tall chimney and welded in the new hole to stick up in the cowl area to keep the water out. Got it all welded in and sealed and its as good as new. Your neck will get alittle tired layin down looking up but you can fix it so it wont leak.
Smallfryefarms Horsepower Ranch