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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Restoring my 1971 Ford Pinto Trunk Model

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larjohnson

R4pinto...well I was lucky...Reed blessed me with a wonderful Pinto...I've grown to love it sooooo much, I doubt I'd even consider selling it.  Thanks for the comment, and when you can....you will get your Pinto up and running good.  Thanks....Larry
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

r4pinto

You do the same Larry, thanks for the add! Seeing your car gives me hope that mine will come out as nice as yours someday. A shiney Pinto is good motivation to get a beat up, rusty, non running Pinto back into shape.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

larjohnson

R4pinto....well I never looked at it that way before.  You're right!!!!!! It's getting more and more difficult to find a nice Pinto, especially a 1971 trunk model.  I don't know why I love them so much, but they are great cars.  Hey!!!! I don't think you're that far away, from what I'm seeing, if you get you a good car show going sometime early to mid August, let me know my sons and I will come on over.  My older boy has a sweet 1968 Mustang, and my younger son an even sweeter 1966 Mustang.  We love our old Fords.  Hey!!!! thanks for the comment, I've added you to my Buddy list.  Have a great day....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

r4pinto

Your cousin is right... Here is my reasoning. How many nice 1965 Mustangs are out there? Now, how many nice 1971 Pintos are out there? I think you can see my reasoning  ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

larjohnson

Okay...the 1971 Pinto I got from Reed in Washington State is almost looking too good to be true.  My cousin, who owns a fully restored 1965 Ford Mustang Fastback, just cannot believe it.  He told me when I take it to car shows, it could beat his...hahaha :laugh:...I doubt it.  Anyway, spent all morning repainting all the metal inside the car, yes that's right every piece of metal.  It looks incredible.  Will take it for the rearend rebuild next Friday, and after that straight for the new headliner.  This car is going to be a head turner. It's been fully tuned up, and I just had it retimed.  It runs incredible.    I love it!!!!!!! Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

r4pinto

You got that right Phil. Then again, riding in your Bobcat a few weeks ago did that too.  ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

phils toys

matt does this give  you a lot  of insperation?
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

larjohnson

I've had a time posting a pix of the new paint job on the 1971 Pinto I got from Reed out of Washington State.  Anyway, it looks great.  Will go to the shop next week for a rearend rebuild, then straight in for a new headliner.  It's looking great.  Will post additional and better pix soon.  Hope you enjoy.

Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

r4pinto

Looking forward to seeing the pics of your gem.  :fastcar: :tgif:
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Larry,

Sounds great - can't wait to see it!  Good luck with the move.  At the moment, I can't think of anything I hate worse than moving!!!  Hope it goes smoothly.

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

larjohnson

Got the 71 Pinto home last week after the paint job....it looks fantastic.  I'm getting ready to move, so I'm not gonna have a lot of time to work on it, at least for the next month.  I hope to get it out this weekend, and finish painting the dash, and a couple of more pieces in the car.  I'll probably wait and install the interior, once I get the new headliner in.  I'm taking her to the upholstery shop in the next couple of weeks to get the headliner put in.  I'm hoping by the end of July, I'm moved, and the Pinto is done.  Guess we'll see.  I'll post pix soon of the paint job, it looks great.......Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Well the guy called and wanted me to come look at the paint on the 1971.  He's doing a little wet sanding, got a ocuple of drips, then will buff the entire car out.  It looks really nice.  There's an issue with a fly that left a leg in the clear coat, he's going to try to get it out, if not, I guess I have a souvenir.  He's polished all the chrome, and will put it on after he buffs the car.  He thinks he'll have it all done by Friday.....guess we'll see.  Will post pix once I get it back home.  Thanks....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

75bobcatv6

cant wait to see what it looks like done..!!!

smallfryefarm

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larjohnson

Okay...went to see the  1971 yesterday, to see how the painting is going.  The guy has the clearcoat on now, and it looks amazing.  The only problem is, a little dust settled on the hood and roof, and he's not happy about it.  He's going to wet sand that part of the car today, and redo the clear coat.  If he keeps those small particles of dust off this time, the car's paint job will be near perfect.  I'm excited about seeing the car with the chrome all back on it.  He pulled it out of the garage and into the sunlight, and it really glistened.  It's going to be a great little car when I get it finished.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

75bobcatv6

Larry, you need to upload them to photo bucket at their size straight off the camera. or the Camera's memory card. then link them here with photo bucket. and anytime i can help i will =)

larjohnson

Thanks to 75bobcatv6 I found photo bucket.  I think now the pix will post larger, if you just double click on them.  I have one in the primer, and a rear shot in the new paint, without the clear coat.  Hope you enjoy....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

r4pinto, blupinto, 75bobcatv6:  Hey thanks for the comments.  Yes...I know the pix are small, but that's the only way I can get them to post for now.  I'm working with my son who may be able to help me post larger pictures, I hope to start a gallery soon on both the 1971 I got from Reed in Washington State, and the 1972 original Runabout I already had.  Anyway, no the vinyl top had to be removed.  I would have kept it, but there were some rust areas under it, which obviously had to be repaired, so the body guy removed it, repaired the rust, and the car is taking shape.  I know the vinyl top Pintos are rare, but this car is never going to be original, but it's going to be beautiful.  I will look at the car next summer, and decide if maybe I want to put the top back on; however, for now, I think I really just want to leave it painted.  If I leave it painted, it will look exactly like the car I had in High School, and that's actually why I bought it.  Anyway, it's suppose to be painted and clearcoated by this evening, I'm going to look at it this afternoon.  I'll post some more pix when I can, and once I get more computer literate, I'll post some larger pix.  Thanks for your interest....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

75bobcatv6

doesnt look like the top is still there. Man that looks nice, Need larger pics tho lar

blupinto

One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

larjohnson

The 71 is under primer now...looks great.  Was suppose to be painted tonight, and clear coated in the morning.  We'll see, can't wait to see it.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Larry,
The shop that painted my '79 Lincoln Continental Collector's Series did the same thing - it was amazing how much better the chrome looked once it was all polished.  Sounds like the Pinto is coming along nicely!  Can't wait to see the results!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

smallfryefarm

Hey larry sounds exciting, take your camera when you pick her up. Probably never look better than she will fresh out of paint.
Smallfryefarms Horsepower Ranch

larjohnson

Well...went to the garage yesterday, to check out the 71....totally primed.  The body looks great and straight, and the primer gives it a great uniform look.  If the paint goes on as well as the primer, it'll look fantastic :amazed:.  The guy is taking every piece of chrome from the car and polishing it.  I don't understand that for sure, but he's purchased some sort of polishing wheel, and must use some sort of compound with it.  He told me the chrome would look new.....he's just throwing this in, as he wants the Pinto to look great when I get it back.  I'm hoping the car looks as great when he completes it, as I think it's going to.  Pictures will be forthcoming.......Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

r4pinto

Wow!! I'm looking forward to seeing her all done. It sounds like you found a good body man. Here's hoping the result is what you want.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

larjohnson

WOW!!!! The body shop called me this evening, and wanted me to come check out the 71 Pinto.  I could not believe it, the car is looking incredible.  The guy has removed all the chrome, the vinyl top, and bumpers.  He's repaired probably 75% of the dents and dings, and plans on priming it tomorrow.  If the paint looks as good as the body work, I'll be thrilled.  I must say, it may even look better now, than it did prior to him starting to work on it.  I just could not believe how great it looks.  Anyway, he plans on painting it Saturday, and clear coating it Monday.  He wants to have it back to me early next week.  I'll post some pix later, can't wait for you Pinto fans to see it.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Hey Larry,

The speed with which you've redone Reed's old Pinto amazes me!  Can't believe you're to the point of painting already! 

Last weekend was the first really decent weekend we've had weather-wise and I should have worked on my Pinto.  Instead, I spent Saturday cleaning and detailing one of my '79 Lincolns, and all day Sunday showing it off at a local car show.  Once again, nothing accomplished on the Pinto :rolleye:.  I'll get to it eventually, although I have to work this weekend.  Hope your paint job turns out great - can't wait to see the pictures!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

larjohnson

Well tonight I went by the garage that's repairing my cowl.  He's going to cut the rust out, and repair....says no problem, he'll get r done.  He wanted to speak to me about painting it, so I listened.  He plans on painting under the hood, trunk, door jambs, and engine compartment, along with removing the vinyl top and painting the exterior.  Gave me a price I couldn't believe....so guess what?   He's starting on it tomorrow.  I hope he does okay, not really seen a total car he's painted, only smaller repairs and repaints.  He did good then, so I'm sure I'll be alright....I guess we'll see.  The deal was just too good to pass up.  I'll be taking some pix during the repair and repaint process, and will post those as they're available.  Then I'll post a pix of the final paint job...I'm really looking forward to it.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!