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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Restoring my 1971 Ford Pinto Trunk Model

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larjohnson

Well found out today the new alternator I had installed was bad.  The switch out is being made today, so hopefully my battery will stay charged up.  They haven't traced down for sure yet, on how to hook the ignition back up, so I can take the push button start off the dash.  It'll be fixed though, they've assured me of that.  The leak....well it's coming from the cowl, which I knew....they can't fix it, but I'll look into it.  May as well get my hands dirty.  Anyway, hope it'll be back on the road soon, I'm going to start driving it for fun, it's warming up around here. 
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Dave1987... yes, the upholstery shop told me I may need to take the windshield and back window out to replace the headliner.  I told them I wanted new seals put in anyway, if that was the case.  I plan on taking it this month for the headliner repair, hopefully, they'll take care of the problem.  I'm just having the shop check on the leak too, only because Reed had fixed the cowl when he owned it, and knew the leak was still there.  I'm just ensuring there's no further leaking from the cowl area, while they have it.  If it's not the cowl, definitely the windshield seal is probably the problem.  Hopefully, when they reseal it after the headliner replacement, this will take care of the problem.   

Tiger....I was wondering about that push button start, that's why I want to replace it.  Plus I just don't like the looks of it on the dash.  I hope they can hook the original ignition up, if so, the button comes off, the hole gets repaired, and the dash gets a new paint job.

Hey guys, thank you so much for the information.  I really enjoy this site, and I've been getting a lot of great tips on my Pinto repair.  You all are awesome.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

TIGGER

You may want to check that push button start.  There may be something with the wiring that is causing the drain on your battery. 
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

dave1987

If you want the headliner done as original as possible, they will need to remove the windshield to do so. The headliner tucks between the windshield gasket and the roof along the top, I believe it does this around the rear window and quarter windows as well, but i can't say for sure.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

larjohnson

Dave1987:
Hey thanks for the tips, I'll let my mechanic know.  I'm having a new headliner put in, so if it's the windshield gasket, I'll have them replace it then.  They think they may have to take the windshield out to replace the headliner, but they wouldn't know for sure until they seen it.  Thanks again.

Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dave1987

For the charging, make sure the stator wire is connected and tight, might as well check continuity for that wire while there. Without that wire it won't charge correctly. While in the charging system, replace the voltage regulator, these are external on Pintos and mounted on the driver's side fender. It's a small square box with four tab connections on it which connect to rectangular plastic connector.

As for the leak, it could be a crack in the windshield gasket in the along the bottom of the windshield. If not, then it's probably your heater core.

Just a few tips for your mechanic, if they haven't already check it (although they probably have)! :)


Sounds like you are getting things going well, hope to see her as a nice driver in the years to come!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

larjohnson

Well!!! new alternator, new battery, but for some reason the 1971 Pinto just won't hold a charge :(.  So.... I took it to my brothers tonight, for them to look at.  I didn't realize this, but when I jumped the 71, I turned on the lights to make sure everything worked for the road trip to Muncie, In., and found the headlamps didn't come on :surprised:, so they're going to check those too.  Still have a small leak, coming in from under the dash, one small stream behind the gas pedal and one small stream by the passenger kick panel, so they thought they could fix that also ???.  And last but not least, I asked them to see what it'd cost to take the push button start off, and hook the ignition back up 8).  Hopefully, this all won't be too expensive.  Oh well, it's my baby, got to get her running and looking good.  Can't wait to get her up and running like new...... Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

discolives78



A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

larjohnson

Got home from work, nice warm day... so I worked on the Pinto.  I put the driver's and passenger door vinyl panels back on, and installed the window and open cranks, and the arm rest.  They look fantastic.  I took the Sanyo radio out, to prepare the car to accept the original Pinto radio, after I get the dash painted.  I sanded and primed the glove box, it's hinge, the ashtray, and the radio bezel.  Once the primer dried, I painted them black, and they look great.  All I have to do now is sand the dash, prep it for paint, and paint it.  Once I get that painted, I can install the radio, glove box door, ashtray.  The dash will look greeeeeaaaat!!!!!!  I am attaching some pictures of the doors and the before dash.  Hope you enjoy.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Well.... I went to the junk yard tonight, and purchased some clips to put the inside door panels back on.  When I took the panels off, I didn't lose any clips, but there were about 6 missing.  Found 10 on a 1975 Pinto Stationwagon.  The guy sold them to me for $1.00.  Came home, put them on the door panels, and put some adhesive on each of them, to help hold them in place. I plan on putting the doors back together tomorrow.  I then decided to look at the heater and defroster, as they weren't hooked up.  The baffles seemed to be frozen, and wouldn't move, they were stuck.  I took the unit apart, cleaned some things up, put it back together, and got them unfrozen.  I think I figured out how to hook the cables up from the control switch on the dash to the baffles.  I'll hook them up, once I get the dash painted.  Hopefully, this weekend. I'm happy to have the 1972 to look at, so I better understand what I'm doing.  While thinking about the heater and defroster, I thought it may be best for me to install new cables, rather than the original ones I have.  Just because I really don't want to work on this again, once I get it back together.  I thought new cables would help me in that department.  I was able to find "new" cables in Cincinnati, Ohio, so I'm having them shipped to me today.  Hopefully, I'll get them next week, get them installed, and have the heater up and running like new.    Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Oldkayaker:  Hey!!!! thanks for the information on the Corvair club.  I'll forward it to my Buddy, he'll love it.  Thanks again.....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

oldkayaker

I am hesitant to mention that I have a 66 Corvair also, unique car.  I did FORDify it by putting a 289 in the back seat.  In case your friend was unaware, there is a great Corvair club "CORSA" at http://www.corvair.org/csaindex.php.  Since the Corvair is a decade older than the Pinto, the Corvair club has been around longer than FordPinto.com.

Your 71 is looking good. 
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

larjohnson

Well I love the Corvieke (1966) Corvair too.  My Buddy took it home last night to work on it at his parents.  He drove it to work today, he's so proud of it, but why not, it's a great car.  Anyway, it's great we have friends to share these special times together.  Have a great day...Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

discolives78

Wow, Larry!

You're making progress at a breakneck pace! ;D

My local car buddy is a Corvair nut with a twist of Citroen. It's cool to hang with him and work on things! ;D

You guys are inspiring me to do a lot of little things that need to be done.

I'm a Jones, you guys are supposed to be keeping up with me! ;D

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

larjohnson

Well it was warm when I got home after work, and I decided to sand the runs out of the interior doors I painted yesterday.  Got the runs sanded out, and went ahead and taped off everything and re-painted.  They look fantastic!!!! Runs all gone.... I'm getting really excited now.  I took the vinyl off the interior of the doors, which was difficult. Had a hard time getting the arm rests off.  Anyway, panels were removed, took them into the garage and dyed away.  They look brand spanking new...they are so awesome.  I then took the seat part of the back seat out and cleaned it, then decided what the hey..... may as well dye it too.  The back looked new, why not the seat.  Anyway, the dye job did really well, and now the back seat looks showroom.  I went to my local ford parts store (Paddocks in Knightstown, Indiana), a fantastic place, they have a great car show in the fall.  Got the rubber filler for the shifter notch, and put it in.  WOW!!!! WOW!!! WOW!!!!  This car is becoming more and more special to me, I love it!!!!  Well, I'll be taking her in a couple of weeks for the new headliner, once it's in, I'll finish putting the interior back together.  Will post pix when I can..... Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Hey Larry!

Sounds like things are coming along nicely.  Isn't it great how much fun it is to work with a buddy?  My best friend is a co-worker too.  We've worked together, side by side, both at work and with our various automotive projects, for nearly thirty years now.  In our partnership, I'm the junior member... Charlie is twenty years older than me.  He'll be 72 in two weeks and still works full-time, cranks out beautifully built model cars at an astonishing rate, and always, always, always has a restoration project or two going on!  Recent past projects (the past 5 yrs. or so) have included a couple of Dodge trucks (his), a Ford truck (mine), a Cadillac Coupe Deville and a Continental Mark V (both mine), and a Thunderbird (his).  On the agenda next: my Pinto and a second T-Bird for him.  We've both sanded, straightened, painted, tuned, adjusted, sewn, etc. on each other's projects over the years.  Heck, we even finance each other's projects when money gets tight for one or the other of us!  Our wives think we're crazy, but at least we're staying out of trouble!  We tend to park them side by side and then work on them together - time goes by a lot faster that way, plus you always have a second set of hands available if you need them.
The weather isn't quite warm enough here yet... but soon!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

larjohnson

Well... it looks like the weather will be beautiful today, so I'm going to work on painting the doors and dash (a little worried about it).  I wanted to get all this done, because I'm taking the car in a couple of weeks to get a new headliner installed.  I don't want to put the interior parts back in, with the exception of the driver's seat, until I get the headliner installed.  My buddy from work is coming over today to work on his 1966 Corvair. Yes... not as cool 8) as a Pinto, but he loves :-* both of mine too.  He wanted a Pinto, and had bought two, but before we could go after them, well.... things just happen (sold out from underneath us, no title, you name it).  He found this 1966 Corvair (we've dubbed the "CORVIEKE"), and we both love it.  He's half my age, (the same age as my youngest son), but we get along great.  He's like having a third son, I'm blessed :angel:.  Anyway, he's going to work on the Corvieke, and I'll work on the 1971.  Hopefully, we'll both make some headway today.  Larry :police:
My Buddy did come over, he got the Corvieke out, and began sanding on one of the quarter panels, and I began working on the  1971 Pinto.  I sanded the interior metal on the doors, cleaned them, then primed and painted them.  They look great, but for some reason the original Ford paint is really thin, got a couple of very small runs, I'm going to re-sand these areas, and repaint this week.  It'll look good as new.  The interior vinyl on the doors now look really bad.  Since I've dyed all the other vinyl in the car, I guess I'll have to do these too.  I had hoped maybe Meguiar's Vinyl Protectant would have taken care of them, and I wouldn't need to dye them.  But, they look really bad next to the new paint.  They're off the car, will be easy to dye.  I also finished painting the new tracks for the seats, they look good as new, and have been installed on the seats.  The seats are now complete, and ready for install once I'm ready to put them in.  The car is taking shape nicely.  My Buddy got hungry, and my daughter came home, so we went for Pizza to celebrate our day.  What a blessing :angel:, had a great time...... Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

discolives78

Hey Larry!

Your trunk looks awesome! I can't wait to see pics of the interior. Let's see if I can help you with the picture dilemna. I just did this post last night, if you haven't had a chance to read it, it may help us see what you see! ;D

http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php/topic,11843.msg76513.html#new

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

larjohnson

Again, for some reason I can post only 2 pictures at a time, so here's my new tailpipe, it looks sweet!!!!!!! :lol: Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Well great news :smile:!!!! I was able to paint the radiator last night, and the battery tray today, yoo hoo!!!!!  I also took all the vinyl pieces out of the car today, and dyed them with the black vinyl/carpet/upholstery dye.  All the vinyl looks fantastic.  I also cleaned the trunk area and painted it with the trunk paint you can buy at your local parts store.  The trunk looks new.  Last but not least I was able to purchase a chrome tailpipe extension, and added that today.  It gives the car a great new sporty  :fastcar: look.  I'm posting some pictures so you can see how great it looks.  I'm going to paint the dash and doors tomorrow, if the weather holds out.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

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Kim
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I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

larjohnson

Well...the weather hung around 50 degrees today 8), but I couldn't wait, so I sanded and painted the radiator and surrounding area.  Yes... I know it was probably too cold :hypno:, but the paint seemed to be drying, I'm sure it will.  It looks incredible ;D.  I had earlier painted the fan shroud, so I bought the hardware today to reinstall it.  It'll go on tomorrow, once the paint on and around the radiator is dry.  I have cleaned up all the vinyl pieces, and they are out of the car.  Should dye them tomorrow also.  Anyway, progressing at a snails pace, but it's looking good :angel:.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Great weather last night when I got home from work.  I sanded, primed, and painted the emergency brake handle, and the arms to the brake and gas pedals.  I went ahead and took the horn off along with the battery tie down, sanded, primed, and painted them also.  I'll not be able to hit the radiator until Thursday evening, but some of the small things are getting done.  From what I hear the weekend will be great, I'll probably get the dying and interior painting all done on Friday.  The Pinto is taking shape.
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

discolives78:  Yes, you're right, it's all about details.  I just love this car, and am enjoying this great weather to work on it.  I am blessed with a great upholstery shop.  They are not only friendly when I go in, but they also listen very closely to what I need, and they take care of it.  I think their prices are very reasonable, and the quality of their work is superior.  The rims do look nearly new, they sanded and painted up nicely.  I'm going to paint the inside of the trunk this weekend, that is if the weather stays nice.  I hope to go home tonight, and paint the brake and gas pedals, along with the emergency brake handle. If I have time, I want to paint the radiator tonight too, along with the battery tie down.   Hopefully I can start painting and dying the interior this weekend also.  We'll see. 
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

discolives78

Hey Larry!

Your back seat looks great! The upholstery shops here charge a bit more, so you got a pretty good bargain! That red paint sure took to shining, didn't it! The wheels and jack stuff look great too. It's all about tweaking the details, I've been doing that for almost 6 years now. Car looks great!

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

larjohnson

Okay...beautiful weather today, around 60 degrees, so I took advantage of the situation.  I sanded all the rims I just put on the 1971 Pinto, thanks to smallfryefarms, primed and then painted them (including the spare).  They look fantastic, as you can tell from the photo.  The rims were the original gray color, with not much rust, but a little.  I sanded the rust off, then put some good primer on them, and then painted them black, like I have on my 1972.  I also took the jack, jack handle, and other accessories out of the trunk, sanded, primed, and painted them, as you'll see in the next photo.  Anyway, didn't take a lot of time, but it needed to be done.  I would have gotten more completed, but my 5 year old Grandaughter, wanted to go to a birthday party, so I took her.  That's much better than working on my car.  Anyway, hope you enjoy the pictures. 
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Beegle55, if your carpet isn't torn, and is only faded or stained try this.  Go to your auto parts store, and look for something called Carpet/Fabric/Vinyl paint.  This is great stuff, I've used it a lot.  Anyway, it will dye your carpet back to it's original beauty.  It works great.  It should only take about 2 cans, and the cans run about $7.00 each.  Just take your front and rear seats out.  Mask off the rest of your interior to protect from overspray, and just go to town.  Your carpet will look fantastic.  This may even make the other imperfections in your interior less noticeable.  Good luck!!!!!!!! Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

beegle55

I'm going to ask around and see what I can find out about having the front seats re-done. The worst of my interior is the front seats. Everything else is nice, rear seats mint, headliner perfect, and the carpet isn't really bad enough to replace so I'm holding on that. Its an old car and people still appreciate the beauty of it and are stunned and on first glance the minor flaws aren't really noticed  :lol:

    -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

larjohnson

Hey Beegle55, glad you are enjoying my posts.  Anyway, I know what interior you have, and you know, it's not as expensive as you think to make these repairs.  If it's just your center part of the seats (Indian print type fabric I believe you have), then they can replace only that fabric, for around here maybe $100.00 per seat or less.  I had my complete seat recovered for around $200.00 each, which included the fabric.  The back seat repair which I just had done was only around $5.00 for the Masonite board, and then $35.00 for the upholstery shop to finish.  My interior will look great.  Oh yeah.... I got a new dash cap, for I think around $75.00 which included shipping.  Carpet, well if you go with ebay $119.00 to $150.00 for just the passenger area of your Pinto.  Anyway, hey you're young yet, you have plenty of time, just remember your folks can get you a lot of this stuff for your special holidays, just ask Santa  :lol:  OH YEAH!!!!! I HAVE AN ELECTRIC BUFFER, MAKES WAXING SOOOOOO MUCH EASIER..... Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

beegle55

How does your back feel after that??  :hypno: But the car looks great! The work was worth it. Where I live it really isn't worth it because I live out a dusty farm road and have a dirt/gravel driveway that instantly ruins any painstaking wash job you have.  :-\

    -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302