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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Restoring my 1971 Ford Pinto Trunk Model

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larjohnson

For some reason I can only post 2 pictures at a time on my thread, or I would have posted this one on my last posting.  Anyway, it was near 60 degrees today, and I decided to do the Meguiar's 3 step wax process on the 71 Pinto I got from Reed in Washington State.  For those who are not familiar with Meguiar's you start with Step 1 a paint cleaner that's applied, then Step 2 a polish you apply, then Step 3 the Carnuba wax you apply.  This took me about 3 hours, but the results were amazing.  Mequiar's is about the best wax product I've ever used and have heard of none which could be better.  Anyway, the car looks amazing, hope you enjoy this post. :lol:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

beegle55

Awesome. Turned out nicely and I'm beginning to consider having my seats re-done. It's really all my interior needs if you discount the slight wear in the carpet and the one crack on the dash pad. The seats have a good bit of both wear and tear, but the material itself is in good shape. I was wondering if I could find someone to cut out the original fabric inserts and stitch it to new black vinyl. And the rear seat has the top threading starting to pull lose and I was wondering if someone could fix that. All theoretical. Sorry to steal the thread lol your back seat looks great!

    -beegle55
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larjohnson

Well... I got the back of the rear seat back from the upholstery shop this week.  They were able to mount the old seat fabric, to the new Masonite board I cut for it.  I'm posting a picture of the back of it, showing the new Masonite board, and the front of it, showing how great it looks after the repair.  The upholstery shop was even able to make a new clamp for me, so it'd mount okay when I install it.  They are great!!!!!!
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Well....it was 70 plus degrees today...got Pinto fever.  Wife and I took off for the weekend, didn't get home until after supper today, but I had to wash the Pinto, and clean the chrome.  It looks amazing :amazed:, just getting the street crud off it, which accumulated during it's transport.  Tomorrow, if the weather holds off, I plan on completing the Macquires 3 step wax process. Have done this to cars in the past, and they come out shining like a new dime ;D.  I'll post pictures, as soon as it's waxed, to show how great I'm sure it'll look.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Guess I should just show a pix of the 1971 Pinto parked at it's new home, just resting comfortably.  I think it's a little afraid of me, as I'm taking it through so many changes all at once.   :lol:  Anyway, glad to have the pony, really looking forward to some interior painting and dyeing this weekend, we're suppose to be in the upper 60's... yeah!!!!! :amazed:  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

discolives78



A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

larjohnson

Now.... here's what the interior looks like stripped of it's Mustang seats and the carpet Reed had installed.  It's now ready for any painting and dyeing of the interior I'll be doing, hopefully over the next few days.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Okay:  Wanted to post some pix of the new 13 inch rims I had installed, and the new original Pinto hub caps.  If you recall, the owner prior to Reed had put 15 inch Mustang rims on this Pinto.  I had them removed and replaced with original Pinto 13 inch rims.  Also you'll see the Mustang seats which had been installed also.  I've removed these seats, and will replace with original Pinto seats.  I will post pictures of the stripped out Pinto in the next posting. Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Well took the back of the rear seat to the upholstery shop today.  They said they can fix it just like new.  There's a channel that fits on the rear of the car, at the ledge of the back window.  This channel accommodates the top of the seat, to lock it into place.  This channel was plastic and has deteriorated; therefore, they're going to fashion something for that too :amazed:.  I think I've got a real find with this upholstery shop.  It's suppose to warm up to the 60's this Sunday, so guess who's going to be dying some vinyl parts of the interior of this car ;D.  I'm getting really anxious.  It's taking shape nicely.

Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

75bobcatv6

I guess pinto fever finally got you too.

larjohnson

Okay... it's 23 degrees in Muncie, Indiana today, but I couldn't wait any longer, I had to do something to the 1971 Pinto I got from Reed in Washington State.  The battery was dead, had to jump it, but not before adding a new solenoid.  I must have left something on, as it's a new battery.  I took the Mustang seats out of it, and removed the carpet.  Since it's the trunk model, there's a ledge in the rear window, and it had holes in it due to past installed speakers.  I made a new board today for it, that fits perfectly.  I'll cover it with speaker carpet, and it'll look great back there.  I took the rear seat out also.  Wow!!!!! the back of the seat was attached to Masonite, which doesn't give it much strength.  The Masonite had gotten wet, and it's really old and buckled.  The vinyl of the seat was held onto it by staples, so I removed them, and removed the seat portion from the Masonite.  I used this piece of Masonite as a pattern, and made me a new backing, out of new Masonite.  There's a piece of fabric that holds the back of the seat to the Masonite, which is rotted, so I'm going to take the seat to the upholstery shop, and have them reattach the vinyl section to the Masonite, and make any necessary repairs.  If I'm going to do it, I may as well do it right.  I also repaired the vent pull knob, which was just hanging under the dash.  It's not attached securely to the dash.  I then took off the painted and cracked black grille, and attached the new silver one I got from Fred Morgan.  Fred also had a bumper guard which I was missing, and that's been installed also.  I'm hoping the weather breaks soon, so I can start painting the inside and dyeing the vinyl.  I'm anxious to get the inside all pulled together.  I do have photographs, just don't know how to load them into the computer yet, my daughter is coming over, so she'll do that for me, and I'll post some pix.  Anyway, it's taking shape, and I finally got my feet wet with it. 
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

smallfryefarm

Sounds like you still have things rollin with the pinto larry. Good to hear. I took a couple evenings and spent on mine this week. I now have my engine assembled. Got my trans now and just got my new clutch and flywheel in the mail. I have to still do a few mods to the engine compartment before i can set it in.
Cant wait to take her down the road, it is killlin me. Anyway keep up the good work larry, Good to talk at you.
David
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larjohnson

Well...... my brother called me today, the 1971 Pinto trunk model I got from Reed in Washington State was finished, and ready to come home.  Let's see....New alternator, condenser, tie rods, oil change, tires, front end alignment, rear bearings serviced, and oh yes.....they thought I needed a new battery.  I was afraid to hear what I owed them....well it was about half of what I expected, whew!!!!!They all applauded when I left the garage (It's been there since January 7, 2009 when it arrived in Muncie).  It's a good size garage, and sits on one of the busiest streets in Muncie, Indiana.... I think people all thought they were stark raving mad!!!!! hahaha :laugh: The fuel gauge was on empty, there was a service station across the street, so I stopped, put in some lead additive and sea foam....filled her up with premium fuel....and prayed I'd get home.  Eureka, the car ran like a new one.  Got her home, unloaded all the spare parts Reed left for me, and began to clean.  I took a mild soap and water and cleaned the whole interior, then went back over it with windex.  Cleaned all the windows and vacuumed it out.  It doesn't look new, but it looks really good.  By the way, I'm taking the seats out that came with it, looks like maybe an 80s model Mustang seat, they need a home, will give them to you for shipping charges only, if anyone wants them.  They will come with tracks.  Anyway, I'm going to go through the parts Reed left in the car, there are some things I won't be needing, so I'll sell those things pretty cheap.  Looks like a decent luggage rack for a sedan Pinto, a dash and mostly what it'd need to install air.  Oh yeah!!!! I also have seats out of a late 70's model Pinto, they're pretty nice, will let them go cheap.  I'll post everything in the next month that I won't be needing, I'll not charge much, because I know how difficult it is to find everything you need for your Pinto, and I've had a lot of help from my good friends at Fordpinto.com.  Well I'll be posting pictures as soon as possible, probably this weekend, of what it looks like emptied out and cleaned.  Then will post my progress pictures, as I proceed with the restoration.  Looks like the whole car will need painted, hope to get that done this summer.  Thought I could spot paint, don't think so... will know more once I wash and wax her.  Well for now.....just say a little prayer I'll do well with the restoration...I'm really excited about this car, I think I love it.hahahaha :lol: Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

discolives78

I like fixing my car myself, and I'll tackle some pretty big jobs, but I haven't ever done ball joints, either. I've read books and online, and have the 'jist' of it. The only time my car was in any kind of shop since I've had it was a muffler shop (catalytic converter), and a tire shop (I know how to dismount and remount them, I'm just not equipped anymore.)

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

Larry, don't let your fear of things keep you from doing anything. I think I get my stubbornness from my father, as well as the want to do things myself. Anyone can do what a shop says, and my shop manuals have helpped immensely, the Haynes more so than the others. Even I feel like giving up now and then and just sending the car out to get fixed by a professional, then I remember that I'm basically broke and wouldn't be able to afford the work anyway, so I do it myself with what I can and the job gets done in the end. Keep up the hard work, you won't regret it in the end, I promise!

Pintosopher, it's good to hear I am not the only one crazy enough to do these things myself at a young age with little experience. I was told to use a special tool to separate the tie rod ends, but I just removed the castle bolt from the stud, put a regular one on (flush with the end of the stud, so as not to disfigure it), and then smacked it with a 5lb hammer  three times and it popped right out. Undid the bolt and the tie-rod end came right down. Getting the new R&P boots on was another story... I will look into this Melatonin you speak of.


Also, these forums and Google have been A LOT of help for my repairs. Lots of research, even if it is exhausting. Remember, it is better to know more and do it semi-correct the first time, rather then have to start over again with a new car if your original car is trashed in the process.

Oh! One more....I go into my projects thinking "anything can be fixed, as long as you have the will power to do it!". This has served me well over the years. I have fixed things from power supplies, computers, VCRs, DVD players, TVs, soft-serve ice cream machines at work, and my car with these ethics. It might take more to fix some things than others, but in reality, anything can be fixed (even cheaply!) as long as the person who is fixing it WANTS it fixed.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Pintosopher

Dave ,
Not to diminish your dedication to self-reliance or your concern for safety protocols, You accomplished on of the dirtiest most dangerous under-car jobs by doing it by the book.
I stopped using Pickle forks after my first Ball Joint job at age 17. I later bought the "Rocker arm" tool for separating the joint from the knuckle. Cutting the rivets off with the Control arm in a vise like you did. I'm sure that my job wasn't done much sooner than yours. But My '55 Chevy had the most immaculate Chevy orange and gloss black control arms when I was done. I even Loosely assembled the whole Knuckle assy and upper& Lower arms and put upstairs in my room to dry the paint for a week :lol:
Thirty years of being around professionals ,reading a LOT, and then actually
seeing the Techs working alongside me ,taught me a few tricks too! Keep at it, and always remember "it's never a bad Idea to crack a Service manual open" just don't get discouraged at the "special tools" they use to write the manuals. (European vehicles)

Oh Yeah,
Use Melatonin to reset your Sleep patterns for Shift work. At your age it won't take much. .5 Mg , it's over the counter. I Have to use this stuff at my age..  :sleep:

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

larjohnson

Okay Dave.... Yes you're right, I just need to jump in with both feet and learn some of this stuff.  I'll wait until after I get the 71 back, since it's pretty much done.  The good news is, it's in a shop where I know the owner (honest as the day is long), and my brother manages it.  So I know it's in good hands.  I'll keep you posted as I experiment with the joys of mechanics.  Thanks for the advice, I'll do it.

Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dave1987

I had no clue as to what I was doing when doing the ball joints, it was my first time EVER touching anything major on the suspension. I changed the shocks last year, but that was all the experience I had. Clymers, Haynes and Chiltons manuals had not one word on the process of ball joint replacement aside from stating that Ford says you must change the entire control arm!

I had done some extensive research the past few months on it, as I knew I was going to be doing it myself. I had done some picking here and there learning some ball joint stuff in the past year though, just to get the gist of things.

My determination to get mechanical things done, is that I am VERY stubborn, and protective of my Pony. I have always been one to do EVERYTHING myself, no matter what it is. I just keep the mind set that, it will be one more thing I will know how to do, I will have the pride to say I did it myself, and I will know exactly how it was done and what problems were encountered. I will NEVER put my Pony in a shop if I can help it. Alignment is the only thing. I will send it out for paint though, but that's about it. Determination is everything, knowledge is power!

I love working on my Pony, and being able to tell people that I have never had my car in a shop in the past 20 years except for an alignment (I know the car's history, it's been in the family since it was new). People don't believe me most of the time, but I still know the truth!


Pintosopher, I had LOTS of caffeine the past week, and am still coming down off of it. Tuesday night through Thursday morning I didn't sleep one wink, Friday morning I slept 6 hours, Friday night through Sunday morning I didn't sleep and Sunday morning I slept till 7:30 at night. Working grave yard really doesn't help my schedule, but as I said, I was determined to get those ball joints done! :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

larjohnson

Well... you know.... I get those days where I just don't want to do anything either, but I haven't even had the 71 home yet.  It's been sitting in a heated garage for the last six weeks (lucky there), waiting to get mechanical work and new tires.  Dave1987, just feel fortunate you have the knowledge to install the ball joints.  I can do minor repairs; but ball joints; never done them; probably could if I knew how.  Anyway, I'm waiting for the installation of my new ball joints, and that should conclude all the mechanical work the 71 needs.  Once I get her home, I'm going to be hot and heavy on the interior. Then a Macquires 3 step wax process, WOW!!!!!  I can't wait to get her beautiful.  Pintosopher, oh yeah!!!!! Coffee, that's what I need. :lol:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

Pintosopher

Dave1987,
Caffeine , Lots of it , I'm on my 8th cup now :amazed: Lights up your mind!

All other substances could be considered illegal :lol:

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

dave1987

Even those who are doing things to their cars feel lethargic from time to time. For instance, I really didn't want to do the ball-joints on my car, and put it out of commission for three days, but it had to be done if I am going to take it on road trips this year. I should get the seat hinge covers on mine, as well as the dash panel, but I'm feeling lazy and don't want to do anything right now. :(
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

larjohnson

Yeah!!! the problem is I keep seeing things others are doing with their Pintos, and I want to do it too. Oh well, I guess I'll get things done with mine, whenever I can.  Can't wait for warm weather, I'm really looking forward to working on it.

Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

beegle55

Sounds like you hard at work!  ;D Hope to see pictures soon and hope your progress goes as smooth as it can when dealing with a 30+ year old car.

    -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

discolives78

The black seats are going to look great in that car!

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

larjohnson

Well.... I've been trying to post before and after pictures of my 1971 Pinto seats.  I bought these seats from a salvage yard in Greenfield, Indiana, and they came from a 1972 Pinto Runabout.  The Pinto had all it's windows, and the seats had after market seat covers on them.  I'm assuming that's what kept the seats in such remarkable condition.  Anyway, I had the seats recovered, and they're ready to put in my 1971 Pinto I got from Reed in Washington State, once this silly weather breaks.  Anyway, hope you enjoy the pictures, they don't do the new seats justice.  The seats are nothing short of amazing in how they look.  They will look great once installed in the 71.
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Well.... got the grille yesterday from Fred Morgan, WHAT A RESOURCE we have in him.....I'm so glad I found him on this site.  The grille was fantastic  ;D, and will look great on the trunk model.  I also got the other seat knob today in the mail, now both my new seats will have fantastic looking release knobs on them, wow!!!!!  The trunk model is still in the shop, all's done on it with the exception of the tie rods on the front passenger side :(.  Apparently, the new inner tie rod, doesn't match up with the old outer tie rod.  Therefore, the shop is attempting to get both, which will cohabitate nicely with each other.  They're hoping to have it done this week.  I went ahead, while they had it, and told them to check the rear wheel bearings.  Reed mentioned in an earlier post there was a noise in the rear, wasn't sure if it was the bearings or rearend.  Might as well have them do something to it while they've got it.  It's kinda been a God send :angel: having it take so long for the tie rods, it's been inside a heated garage now for nearly 6 weeks, so that's been a positive.  :lol: Well, I'll keep posting my progress, and pictures just as soon as I get my new baby home!!!!  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

larjohnson

Dave1987:  Well I've been blessed :angel: with a new job, that gives me a little extra spending money.  I have wanted a Pinto as a toy for years, but was just never able to afford it :mad:.  Raising 3 kids, and working for peanuts, didn't allow much luxury items.  I would sit for hours on ebay and look at some of these beautiful pieces of Ford history, and I knew someday I'd have one.  Well luck has had it, I now have 2, and I'll never get rid of them.  I was going to do a few things at a time to the 1971, but I've been able to move forward a little faster than I thought :fastcar:. Today helped, Fred Morgan mailed me the bumper guard I ordered from him, it arrived today.  The bumper guard looks brand new, I'm very pleased. Your car is beautiful :), and with time, you'll have her finished.  I hope the 1971 is done by the time of an all Ford car show in Middletown, Indiana in September..... we'll see...... Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dave1987

Yeah. I have spoken to people in the Ford parts department and they say that there are always people coming in and asking for several NOS parts in large quantities, and the buyers sell them and make a very sizable profit!

Last year I replaced my carpet and dash pad, it made the car soo much nicer! I was planning to do my front seats and headliner this year but debt from what was supposed to be my wife has caught up with me. :( All in due time! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

larjohnson

Reed:  Hey!!!!! I do love the Pinto, I'm really looking forward to enjoying it this summer.  It's a great car, I'll take good care of it.

Dave:  Thanks for the advise on the carpet, Yeah!!!!!! I'll do that, didn't even think about that.  You're right the carpet will work wonders on the interior, but the seats are what's the real beauty. 

75bobcatv6: I will be posting pictures, I don't really have any now, but once I get it home, I'll start with a lot of before pictures, and will take pictures, during it's restoration. It'll be a beautiful little Pinto.  Will work on the rims, once I get her home from the shop.  They're still having problems with the passenger side tie rods, hope to have that fixed this week.

I am having them check the rear end and bearings in the back axle too.  Reed had posted at some point there was a noise in the rear end, so they're going to check it out.  Hopefully, all the mechanicals will be completed.

When I got the new seat knob for the driver's side seat, it made the passenger seat knob look really bad, so I ordered a new passenger seat knob today.  Didn't think I'd ever find these little critters, but fortunately, found a person with some old stock, and they are brand new.  What a great find!!!!!!

Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dave1987

Word of advice on the carpet.

Take it out of the box, totally unfold it and let it sit in a warm room of the house to let the wrinkles and bubble smooth themselves out. I have some bubbles in my carpet and fitting it didn't come out so well because I rushed the install. Take your time on the carpet, that stuff isn't cheap and is about 40% of your interior!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!