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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Hello fellow keepers of the flame-A long one from the new guy-71HANTO

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Wow, it took a little while to read this thread.  Your Pinto looks super! Keep up the good work.  The MkI Cortina is one of my dream cars, I didn't know there were any in the US, When I was growing up, the guy down the street from me had 2 mkII Cortinas, still neat cars, but a little tame compared to the earlier models.  I lived in Germany when I was a little kid (Army brat), so my taste in cars reflects the first cars I saw.  My very first car was a Renault 10 (engine in the back, water cooled). I bought it for $50 when I was 16 and it took all summer to get it running (it sat for 10 years). I drove it till I was 18, bought my first Pinto (a brown wagon) for $190, and passed the Renault down to my brother, he learned to drive on it, but it died and parts were near impossible to find for it.  I admire you guys that do that much work to your cars.  Mine's just a daily driver, and mostly stock, but I love it just the same.


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

71HANTO


Here is an old scan of the dyno test on the Lotus engine now sitting in the engine bay of the Pinto. It is a normally asparated 1600cc or 98 cubic inches bored out from the original 1558cc. It has about 3 1/2 road race hours on it since the dyno test. The chart is hard to read but it shows 181.36 HP @ 7500 RPM and 133 FT LBS @ 5500-6000 RPM


"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

71HANTO

Quote from: dholvrsn on September 04, 2008, 06:05:50 PM
How do you hook up a linkage to all those carburetors?


The Weber Carbs have a single, adjustable, concentric, rail type linkage. It's hard to see on the Twin Cam Engine in an earlier post of this thread when it was still in the Cortina.  The carbs are on the wrong side for the pinto original throttle cable. I will use the LONG one I pulled from the crunched Lotus Cortina (same issue because it was an imported left hand drive car).
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

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Srt

the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

lencost

Quote from: lencost on March 05, 2008, 10:49:33 PM
A twin cam Lotus in a green Pinto, sounds like a perfect match to me. How close is it to British racing green?

I would like to see some of the looks on peoples faces when you open the hood.

Leonard
1975 Wagon 8" C4 2.8 V6

71HANTO

Here are some Labor Day weekend work-in-progress pics of the Pinto/Lotus. I cleaned the engine with degreaser then sprayed the original color gray on the 1558cc L Block. I left the head bare aluminum because I like the looks. Once the engine was in the pinto, I repainted the valve cover the original color blue with an air brush.

I also put the new 8 inch rear on the reconfigured leaf springs with lowering blocks (no pics yet) but the lower U Bolt brackets need to be modified to take a longer rear Koni shock.  I'm now waiting on a Type 9, 5 speed transmission that I'm getting in a parts trade. I will be putting only 133 ft lbs of torque through it but LOTS of sustained RPM.







"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

71HANTO

Here are some progress pictures on the rear end springs adding Poly bushings. I turned down 1965 Mustang 9/16 bolt full Poly bushings from Energy Suspension using a drill press with a wood rasp. It takes hours and patience to turn these down correctly with the proper pre-load size while making them all consistent. I used a micrometer and measured as I went. The reason I left the larger flange is to help counter deflection or twist in the rear during hard cornering. I put the springs together using a large secondary leaf from my 1969 Mustang donor. I'm waiting until I can load the car to gauge the proper ride height so I can add a 1977 Ranchero rear anti-sway bar. I'll have the brackets welded to the bottom of the car once I determine the correct pivot point locations for the end links. I'll have pictures of this sway bar set up when I'm futher along to clarify. 

65 Mustang Poly bushing next to an original 71 Pinto rubber bushing.


Just starting to turn down the first set.


Down to the correct size allowing for pre-load of the bushings once they are pressed in.


The un-turned Mustang bushing, the original Pinto, and the turned-down replacement with the large flanges left on.


The restored springs ready for assembly.


Here are the Large Eye bushings pressed in.


These are the rear shackle bushings after assembly.


The completed springs ready to be bolted in.


With the leaf springs installed.


I machined the lowering blocks to fit the new stainless locating bolts, nuts, and washers.


"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

71HANTO


Thanks..more pictures will be coming with more progress. I had Currie Enterprises build the rear, press on new axle bearings, and replace the original wheel studs with longer racing type. They're about 50 miles from me and easy to find using a web search. They do top of the line work.
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

dick1172762

Where did that lite weight third member come from? I want one!!!! Thanks for some better posting in a long time.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

71HANTO

More photos of progress. I removed the old 71 Pinto rear replacing it with this modified 76 Stallion Pinto 8 inch with the better, bigger, cooler vented brake drums for racing. The new rear with the aluminum center section with it's larger axles weighs in at 148lbs including fluid and the brakes. The original 71 6.75inch weighs 118lbs. A 30lb difference. The Aerostar aluminum drive shaft weight difference should make up for a 1/3 of the weight penalty back over the original drive shaft with the added benefit of less whip saw force to the diff. In other words, less static forces or deadweight to overcome as the rear moves up and down. The new rear has a service rating of 350 FT LBS with the Detroit Locker TruTrax geared Posi and 4.63 gears. The Lotus engine only puts out 133 so it's strength is RPM not grunt... it shines only in a lite car.

I spread out the original springs with 69 mustang donors to show my race tuning choices to mix and match whatever pound and softness ratio works best. Next will come the front suspension rebuild and bushing upgrade with the cut V8 Mustang II springs. I also included a picture of the relatively clean low mile california parts. The leaf springs were obviously originally natural color metal. A little spray lube on the bolts before un-loosening them made the rear removal MUCH easier than I anticipated.

By the way Pintony...You raised the bar on your restoration project so now everything I touch thats staying with the race car.....I have to REST-TEA-FY in my CLONE-IF-A-CATION :hypno:    It's all your fault!!!! ;D










"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

71HANTO

Here are some recent pictures of how I adapted a large oval hole 8 inch rear end housing from a 76 Stallion Pinto to fit the small hole mount type springs in my 71 eliminating all the extra isolator junk (weight). I used 1/8 flat metal stock and hand fit the blanks with beveled edges for a stronger weld. A local muffler shop welded all of the bottom and about 60% on the top where they could reach under the axle tube. The shop also cut my Mustang II V8 springs at the same time with their industrial cutoff saw all for $45. Not bad for LA.

I still need to detail the 1976 big brake backing plates before putting in the aluminum pumpkin, seals, and axles.

When I cut down the lowering blocks, I left a fraction of extra metal on them to hand lap them to the curve of rear leaf springs with the added extra leaf I pulled from my 69 mustang.








"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

Srt

By the way;  ALL OF YOU HERE ON THIS SITE:  I really admire your dedication the the SPORT of owning a Pinto. 
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Srt

Hey  guys.  In 1971 or 1972 I worked at Ak Millers as a mechanic.  Two of us were in charge of putting the turbos and koni shocks and sway bars on all the (pre-body work) Pangras that came out of Huntington Ford in Arcadia. We cut the front coils and added lowering blocks to a lot of them but not all of them.

All the ones that we modified were 2.0 motors.  A couple had automatic tranmissions.  At the 'garage, we did not put together any 2.3 cars although, there was a 'kit' that was offered by Ak Miller Enterprises, (same guy-right across the alley-mostly custom work & mail order)

At that time (over 35 years ago) none of them out of our shop had chrome valve covers.  Some of them had a boost restriction device that fit into the compressor tube across the top of the valve cover.  Almost all did not.  The ones that did not have this restrictor all had a water heated casting through which the compressor tube would pass. This was to warm the intake charge prior to entering the combustion chamber.  It was suppossed to be a driveability issue.

The batteries were all relocated to the drivers side of the engine compartment using a modified stock battery tray.  They did not have any non-factory gaauges installed at our shop.

We put together 2 a day and delivered them in the afternoon and picked up 2 more to work on the next morning.

We burnt down (the motors-not the cars!) on a couple of them on the freeway 'test run' on the way back up to Huntington Ford.  Shhhh...don't tell anybody ;D

The cars all had a 2 1/2" exhaust ( now that I think about it, it may have been 2 1/4") from the turbine outlet to the rear where we hung a Walker Turbo muffler (part # escapes me) We did the exhaust work in house.

Mine was a '71 2-door, dark green metallic, 4sp with goodyear ppolyglas tires and the 2.0 motor.  It was my 1st new car and I still think that it was one of the best cars I have ever owned. 

I put a turbo on it at the shop one afternoon after work and went cruising (street racing) that night.  The motor had an 'o'-ringed head that had been shaved .060" a Spearco adjustable cam pulley, a stock distributer with the dual diaphragm vacuum canister that was rigged to retard timing under boost.  It also had a water injector that utilized the windshield washer reservoir and a stock nozzle that was fastened to the air cleaner(later into the air horn of the carb) and the koni shocks, dropped on the ground with some special leaf spring s at the rear that were a new single leaf set-up.  Shocks at the rear were set loose, no rear bar but the front bar was a good sized 1  1/8" Interpart bar that I had made for me. Front springs were cut down out of an early chevelle.  Damn thing rode like a rock but on a smooth road up a canyon it was pure heaven and extremely tossable.

I ran into quite a few fuel distribution problems so I put on a 2bbl carb out of Ford truck and a different intake manifold and solved that problem.  I also knocke d the flywheel right off the end of the crank twice but solved that by having the crank re-drilled for SAE threads in 1/2": size AND dowel pinned the thing.

With a 3:55 rear gear, tires in the size of 185/70-13 continental radials at 35 #'s the car did a quickest in the 1/4 at Irwindale Raceway (it's a brewery now) like a 1347 at 101 mph.  Through the traps in 3rd gear at about 6000.  No boost control.  and 24 mpg to boot!

I haven't owned one since i sold the shell (with a full frame and a 9") in 1975 or 1976.
I was setting it up to take a 460 but got married instead!

the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

fastbak390

Quote from: srt on March 07, 2008, 03:28:15 AM
i'm stuck   in the past with a lot of this stuff guys.  i hope i didn't come across wrong

I honestly didn't get that impression from you.
I edited my signature for accuracy though.  ;)

Did all of the AK Miller turbo motors have chrome valve covers?

1971 Trunk 2.0 - (mostly) AK Miller Turbo Setup

Pintony

Quote from: srt on March 07, 2008, 03:28:15 AM
i'm stuck   in the past with a lot of this stuff guys.  i hope i didn't come across wrong

Hey SRT,
I'm not sure what you are running for a Pinto?
I am glad we have you around if we need to ask questions about the AK Miller Turbo items.
Here is a photo of an AK Miller 2.0 engine that I have.
I do not have the rail... YET!!! ;D
From Pintony

Srt

i'm stuck   in the past with a lot of this stuff guys.  i hope i didn't come across wrong
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

71HANTO


Here are some oldies of the 1980 I bought new. They were taken around 1981-2. This is the first time out towing the boat. I was dry toasting to the boat for good luck. That boat could keep up with ANY unblown jet boat in it's day.  It was also one of the most dangerous things I have ever owned. OK... let the leg and dorky fashion comments begin.... :drunk:


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fastbak390

Quote from: srt on March 06, 2008, 01:10:46 PM
i am curious about some of the details on the engine of the yellow cars motor.  the cast iron elbow/downpipe at the turbine exhaust and the metal (aluminum) piece connected to the compressor outlet and terminating at the rubber bellows over the valve cover as well as the alternator being located on the drivers side. were these mods made by the original owner or you.  those don't appear to be ak miller pieces

As Pintony mentioned, its a water cooled T3 turbo, elbow/downpipe, and crossover from an EFI 2.3. When the original turbo grenaded, he made up an adapter plate for the AK Miller manifold and the T3. I'm making a conservative 5psi with it.

The alternator was relocated by the previous owner as well using Ford bits for an A/C Pinto.

The great thing about having the alternator relocated is that the wiring harness can be entirely on the drivers side of the car... away from the turbo heat. I can also just screw my wideband sensor into the factory O2 sensor provision in the downpipe.

I just hate the rubber elbow though. It blows up like a balloon under boost and is a leak waiting to happen. I need to fab some piping as soon as time and money allows.

1971 Trunk 2.0 - (mostly) AK Miller Turbo Setup

skrach

1971 Ford Pinto Sedan. Original CA Car. Root Beer Brown. but wont be that color for long. Tired of the poop brown reputation. haha

Pintony


Srt

 i am curious about some of the details on the engine of the yellow cars motor.  the cast iron elbow/downpipe at the turbine exhaust and the metal (aluminum) piece connected to the compressor outlet and terminating at the rubber bellows over the valve cover as well as the alternator being located on the drivers side. were these mods made by the original owner or you.  those don't appear to be ak miller pieces
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

71HANTO

Quote from: Pintony on March 05, 2008, 10:51:49 PM
WoW Hanto,
Your engine bay looks grerat!!!
I do have 1 sugestion.
Your engine mounts are upsidedown the shield part should be toward the engine. The way you have them provide zero protection from heat and any oil that may lleak from the engine.
From Pintony

You can thank the San Jose factory boys back in 1970 that put these in. They are the 24,500 mile originals. I will put the new ones in the other way instead of the Australian way! :lost:
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

71HANTO

Quote from: Pintony on March 05, 2008, 10:54:41 PM
WOW! Cool! you have added a photo of the engine.
I am some-what confused about the Lotus engine. It has 2 cams, but only 2 valves pr-cylinder???

No Mater... IT LOOKS COOL!!!!
GO FOR IT!!!!!!
From Pintony

Thanks...Yes..two valves per cylinder...But...IT"S A HEMI :hypno:...well 1/2 of one!! ;D
This "hemispherical combustion chamber" Cosworth designed head dates back to 1963 but if set up right, can still pull nearly 2HP per cubic inch with NO added huffers or puffers.
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

71HANTO

Quote from: lencost on March 05, 2008, 10:49:33 PM
A twin cam Lotus in a green Pinto, sounds like a perfect match to me. How close is it to British racing green?
Almost dead on! Yellow Spitfire Race Stripe Anyone? Nahhhh......
"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

Pintony

WOW! Cool! you have added a photo of the engine.
I am some-what confused about the Lotus engine. It has 2 cams, but only 2 valves pr-cylinder???

No Mater... IT LOOKS COOL!!!!
GO FOR IT!!!!!!
From Pintony

Pintony

WoW Hanto,
Your engine bay looks grerat!!!
I do have 1 sugestion.
Your engine mounts are upsidedown the shield part should be toward the engine. The way you have them provide zero protection from heat and any oil that may lleak from the engine.
From Pintony

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Quote from: fastbak390 on January 31, 2008, 03:31:23 PM
Here is a pic of the Lotus Twin Cam being transplanted into the green Pinto...


A twin cam Lotus in a green Pinto, sounds like a perfect match to me. How close is it to British racing green?
1975 Wagon 8" C4 2.8 V6

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Thank you Fastbak390 for teaching a man to fish....I mean post pictures....Well here is a couple from recent progress pics up front. I need to repaint the Lotus block from Ford Blue to the original Ford of England Gray then in it goes!

The Ford English gray is halfway between their weather and their teeth!! ;D


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