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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Restoring my 78 Sedan

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Dave:

  Sounds like you had a good time and are making progress. Congrats!

  A favor if I may - if the '78 wagon you sppeak of has a steering wheel with a central horn BUTTON (which is how I read it), and it is TAN (how I read it), and is intact (how I read it), what can I offer you money-wise to go pull it, pack it, and ship it to me? PM me if you wish, I really need a good steering wheel for my '76, and tan would be a BONUS. Thanks for your consideration!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dave1987

I got your PM, larjohnson. It's all good! :D

The Pinto made it's first road trip yesterday. I drove it from Boise to Kennewick, then from Kennewick to Spokane, and from Spokane back down to Boise going through Mccall. About 19 hours of complete driving time in one day, through ice, snow and fog. The car did great and the trip was tons of fun!

Along the way I got to see a 74' and a 73' Pinto combo for sale in Pendleton. The guy wants $1500 for both cars. The 73 has a damaged left fender from a sign falling on it, but other than that it's running great and pretty straight for the most part. The 73' was the beginning of a project race car but was never finished and has the slotted mag wheels. I'll have pix of them up in the next couple days, posted in a different thread.


Once I got up to Spokane I got the red Mustang II full feature center console from the guy I contacted on Craigslist. Really nice college kid who even told me there was an 8" rear for $50 somewhere around Spokane if I was interested. He even went home and looked up the exact location and phone number for me! The rear end was located about two hours north of where we were, so I didn't bother heading up.

After picking up the center console I went to their "Pick-and-Save" salvage yard and found a brown 78' wagon with tan interior. Here's the thing, anyone near by might want to snag stuff off this while they can, there are a lot of good things still on it! The dash pad only has one small crack to the right of the gauges, and the steering wheel doesn't have any cracks at all (the button is still there too!)! The e-brake cover is in great shape, seat belts are still very black (original color), and the shifter assembly with the bezel is all still there!


I pulled the gauge cluster assembly as it is in great shape, as well as the door beltline trim (which is still in great shape!) and  the front turn signal lenses which are still clear.

All in all, the trip was good, car handled well and didn't slid around at all really, and I returned home with some goodies! :D


The next few updates will be of the center console restoration for the Mustang II console that I will be swapping out the Merkur one for, and the windshield will be pulled this spring for a gasket replacement. At that time, the dash will be removed and wiper post seals replaced as well.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

larjohnson

Dave1987:
Hey!!! Love the Pinto, just looked at your project thread on the 1978.  It's really a sharp car.  Anyway, on Ebay I've found dash caps for around $74.00 shipping included, and carpet around $114.00 or so plus about $20.00 shipping.  Anyway, I got the 1971 Pinto from Washington State, and I'm buying new carpet for it next week.  Reed had just put new carpet in this 1971 Pinto (since July 2008), but he didn't do it correctly and it looks like he made some bad cuts.  Anyway, the carpet is new, and probably still usuable.  I'll give it to you if you want it. I really haven't looked at it closely, since the car came in, as it's been at the garage ever since.  But it did still look new, maybe it can be patched up or something.  Anyway, just let me know.

Thanks.... Larry
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

71pintoracer

I work at the dealership that my Pinto came from, so I get to visit every day!!  :P   :D
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

dga57

Well, actually... the building which housed the dealership where I purchased my original Pinto (brand new in January of 1974) is still standing, although the dealership itself has gone out of business.  Unfortuately, the original Pinto fell victim to a horrible accident with its second owner.  Not sure exactly where my current Pinto originated although I still have contact information for the previous owners so that's something I may be able to find out someday.  Incidently, I still have a 1983 Ford F150 4x4 that was purchased from the same dealership as the '74 Pinto.  Bought it new on Halloween day in 1982 and it now has a whopping 69000 miles on it!  That averages out to approximately 218 miles per month!  Needless to say, it's in pretty good shape and I certainly have no immediate plans to replace it.
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dave1987

So I was staring at some pictures my mother gave me of when she picked up my Pinto at the dealership in Emmett Idaho back in 1978. It got me thinking, could I find this dealership on Google maps (in satellite view), even though the dealership is now closed?

Sure enough, I found my Pinto's original place of sale! When summer comes out real nice, I want to drive the car out there and snap a shot in the same location, if traffic permits, for nostalgia sake.

The contact info that Google provides for "Emmett Ford Inc." is the same contact information that the sales person wrote down on the Warranty Identification Card in my glove box. I'm guessing he was a dealership owner and sold it in the early 80s, or moved to a larger location. He was just on some crossroads back in the 70s with 4 - 5 of his cars for sale lined up along the main road.

How many Pinto owners get the chance to revisit the original place of sale?!  8)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Got some photos of my little Pony in the winter time. I trust my Pinto over my 07 Saturn on icy roads any day. Winter modifications include the two front auxilily lights ("fog" lights), 185/80/R13 WinterMaster studded snow tires on the stock rims with original hub caps, and mudflaps on the back to keep slush and ice build up around the rear bumper, and to keep water off the quarter panels.

The last picture shows the rust that is already starting on the passenger side quarter panel.  >:( :'(
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

I believe I have found where the windshield is leaking! I was drive my girlfriend to work today and noticed two yellow "stains" which flowed from the edge of the windshield to the dash, on the rubber between the two. One is about 1/2" away from being directly above the steering column (which would explain the freezing ignition switch), the other is a few inches away to towards the door, which would explain the water on the rubber floor mat, and the wet carpet, and the wet towel between the carpet and floor pan, and the floor pan....:P

I'll take a pic of the leak spots. I'm going out to the garage right now to attempt a quick temporary fix with the silicon sealant I used successfully around the rear window.

EDIT: Here are some shots of where the water residue/mildew is:

EDIT 2: Repair completed. 5 minutes of work. Wiping down between the seal and the windshield, getting grime out, and then pumping some silicon between the clean surfaces. I probably should have gone and done the entire base of the windshield, but since I'm changing out the gasket in the next couple months I don't think it will be necessary.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Any pictures? If not, where did you put the shield? Right above the switch over the steering column/pedal bracket?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

Dave,

What I did for the wiper seal is use the clear windshield sealer. I did that on my car when I bought it & have no leaks or anything from there. In the mean time You could do what I did & that is make a shield from some galvanized aluminum. On the 78 I never got the leak fixed so the shield going over the switch kept the water from getting in there.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

I will be going out to a yard with a couple avacado green pintos with green interiors. They have the deluxe "fancy" steering wheels on them, but the center horn inserts arn't in great shape. They'd probably be asking $70 for them regardless though. PM me if you are interested.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

gjb1st12

Have a 1974 Pinto,restoring to the original condition,but need a few items.
Mainly a factory green steering wheel.If you could round one up I would be ever so grateful.
Gregg J Bearden

dave1987

I replaced the switch tonight with the bobcat's one. Took the old one apart (which still worked by the way), and I DID find water in it! I'm guessing that the leak I have been going insane trying to track down is above the steering column, or near enough to it that the water travels above it. My guess is the wiper post! I would be willing to be cash that it froze up just like yours did r4pinto.

So, how easy is it to change a wiper post seal???

To clean the bobcat switch, I scuffed the copper contacts with a green scotch pad. I think I should be fine until it freezes really bad again. I'll just have to really watch it...or something. :(

It looks like a new windshield gasket won't be an optional purchase with the upcoming tax refund check.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

If it does act up you can get one from the auto parts store. It shouldn't cost you too much if I remember right. When I had my 78 & I was using it to drive to work I went outside one day & couldn't get the key to rotate. Turns out water got in the switch & it froze solid. That killed the switch, as after I dried it I took it apart the switch still didn't work.

I say with electrical parts like this it's better to be safe than sorry.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

So I spent the night at my girlfriend's last night and everything was fine and dandy with the car.....Until I went out to warm it up this morning!

I went to turn the key forward to start the car and it wouldn't turn past the unlock position! It would just stop when trying to go any further and no amount of tapping the column would make it budge. I even tried my spare key!

So while sitting in the parking lot full of snow, with more snow falling from the sky, I disassembled the steering column to find the source of the problem. I initially thought it was the ignition cylinder, as I had to replace it once already during a similar situation. However, in desperation to get my little Pony going so I could drive the seven miles home to really get it fixed, I stripped the column down to the switch.

It turned out that the switch was jammed up. For some reason, it would not move past the "unlock" position, but not to the run or start positions. No problems getting it to move back to the accessory position though, of coarse.

I eventually removed the switch from the column and forced it to move (with a screwdriver) into the run and start positions, and then reassembled everything.


I knew it was acting up prior to this, but never thought anything of it. It would get difficult to turn the key forwards when cold, but I just thought it was how the ignition cylinder was. It turns out it was the switch the whole time!




Now, what causes this? Just and old switch? I pulled the switch from the 77 Bobcat at the junk yard to replace it with, just to play it safe, but how should I lubricate it?


UPDATE: I pulled apart the replacement switch I pulled at the JY. My guess is that the ball bearing in my original switch jammed up or came off it's track and got wedged in somewhere inside the housing, keeping me from turning the key all the way. I cleaned and polished all of the contacts on the replacement unit and lubricated the ball bearing and it's track with some long life bearing grease. Hopefully it will keep things smooth and not jam up on me again. I will have to see if I can find a replacement ball bearing for the original switch to fix it, if it isn't destroyed on the inside.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

Looks good Dave! I need to paint my firewall and inner fenders too. I'm using a Napa battery in my car and it fits in the original bracket. It's been pretty good so far.


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

I am not entirely sure, actually.

From what I gather off the battery, it is a Diehard C10 S30056/K438328. I'm sure Sears could pull up the battery for you. It is a very strong and reliable battery, and has served me very well.

I know that my battery is larger than the original one though. I still have the original battery plate for the car, but the one that is on it right now is about 1 inch to 1 1/2 inches longer. I am still using the original hold down though.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

Looks great under there. BTW, what size battery do you have in your 78? At Carlisle last year I bout a NOS battery hold down for the car but my battery is wider (front to back) than the hold down.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

Update!

Thanks to Chuck (discolives78), I was motivated to finally get some of the engine painted! Yesterday I repainted the valve cover, belt covers, hoist loops and dipstick handle (the tube will be done shortly).

While I was under there, I figured I would finish painting the driver's side of the inner fender, as well as repaint the upper alternator bracket.

I was a little bit hesitant about the shade of blue used, because it wasn't really a positive match to the original. But the "Old Ford Blue" from Schucks is quite refreshing!

Here are some before and after pictures. The first picture was taken about 6 months after the rebuilt motor was dropped back in, and about a year before I even bothered to do anything else to the car. Quite the change!

Next step for the engine compartment....Wire loom!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Pintopower

I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

dave1987

Thank you for the compliments everyone! I hope to have an updated video of the car up on youtube by the end of the year with the updated photos and progress shots.

I've been hit pretty hard by my allergies this year (every October) and I'm not feeling up to anything, even going to work. I may be away from the boards for a little while.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

TOMMYS

DAVE ,YOUR CAR LOOKS REALLY NICE.I REALLY LIKE THE INTERIOR.YOU SPENT SOME TIME & CHANGE ON IT AND IT TURNED OUT REALLY GOOD.I WILL POST SOME PICS OF MINE AS SOON AS I CAN.I'M THINKING OF TRADING MY 88 MUSTANG SEATS OUT FOR 88 TURBO-COUPE SEATS.NOT SURE YET.ANY WAYS CAR IS LOOKING GREAT. TOMMYS

discolives78

I dig the sport mirrors and rally wheels! :amazed:

lookin' good Dave!


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

And a few more....

I am quite pleased with how well the car turned out this year. Just about everything I had planned to do got done!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

And the 2008 photos of the car are here too!

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

I've got the sport mirrors finished and on the car now! Here are a few shots from inside for you all.

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

I wouldn't let the lack of deluxe door panels stop me from using the woodgrain pieces on the dash... I think they look cool.
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

phils toys

If you want to know how it would look    check the youtube link in my signature as min has those parts but not the deluxe door panels
the center counsel  look very nice
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

TIGGER

I think it would look fine with or without the deluxe door panels. There is not much wood grain on the later style deluxe door panels anyway.  Just my opinion.....
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

dave1987

Thanks you guys! I love getting some comments from my fellow PCCA members, it means a lot hearing that it's coming along good from other Pinto owners.

The comments from people around town who haven't seen a Pinto in 10 years just isn't the same. :D

Now looking at those pictures, it appears I have a rats nest of wires to clean up under the dash....:P

Another thing I'm considering doing is taking the dash wood grain and the wood grain e-brake handle from the Bobcat that I parted out, and applying them to my car. However, I do not know how well that could come along, as I do not have deluxe door panels to go with them. Any input on this matter?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!