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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Restoring my 78 Sedan

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dave1987

Some more pictures of the perfect fit.

Picture 4 is of the groove under the rear window. It is a bit clearer to see what I am talking about here, however you really have to see it to know what I mean by it holding down the stock dash by pinching it.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

So I had the day off and decided to do my back dash since it was rattling badly when I had my bass up. My older brother who originally redid the dash back when he repainted the car, used 1/4" plywood with a good thick layer of Bondo to fill in the flat surface that shows towards the front of the car.

I took it a few steps further and used his plywood dash as a template and cut a new dash from 1/2" particle board. Much stronger and will not bend when the speakers are excessively torqued down. The old dash bowed up at the ends due to this reason, which is what prompted me to redo it. That and extreme vibration which I believe was a bi-product of the bowed thin plywood.

First I took my older brother's dash and drew a template onto a large sheet of 1/2" particle board. I used a cut off saw to cut the ends, cutting them at angles. After that I used a Rotozip to cut the arch at the back of the dash (about 1/8" away from the drawn line), finishing up with an electric radial palm sander to sand the excess material down to the line I drew from the original dash template.

After cutting the dash's initial shape, I did a test fit but it would not slide into place. This is due to an overhanging lip underneath the rear window which the stock dash slid under, and served as a hold down mechanism. (Picture 1)

So to fix this, I used a router bit on the Rotozip to remove close to 1/4" of the material inward and 1/4" deep into the wood, giving it a small lip around the arch so it would slip underneath the overhanging lip under the rear window.

Well it turned out that I trimmed too much material inwards and I had to pull out the Bondo to fill in the entire area that I trimmed. However, it came out better than I had planned because I filled it all in with a beveled edge, so it was more wedged into the overhanging groove under the rear window instead of pinched. (Picture 2)

Once that was complete the rear dash fit nice and snug! (Pictures 3 and 4)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

High_Horse

QuoteAs I promised, I would show what I did for a trunk seal since a new one was around $80 shipped, where as I made this for under $6 from window weather/draft window rubber foam gaskets that I purchased from Walmart.
Nothing like a little old fashioned American inginuity.....They are always hard to close at first...it takes that stuff a while to settle...Good job Dave1987.


                                                                        High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

dave1987

Probably was! Good to hear you found it though. It really gives the car some personal value knowing you have some of the original documentation and information from the dealership!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Smeed

The other day I found my warranty card/plate and that plastic bag shoved up under the dash of my pinto. It was so grungy I think its been there since the car was purchased.

'73 runabout

dave1987

I managed to find myself a rally steering wheel and a distributor dust cover off a Mustang II at the local pick-n-pull! I will have pictures up soon.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

As I promised, I would show what I did for a trunk seal since a new one was around $80 shipped, where as I made this for under $6 from window weather/draft window rubber foam gaskets that I purchased from Walmart.

The bottom layer is 1/2" thick foam and the top is 5/16" thick foam. It was a little tall at first, and I really had to slam the trunk lid shut. Now, however, it isn't too bad and it just takes a little bit of motion to get it to latch. The best part of it all....No more water on my speaker cone in the trunk!  ;D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

I have updated the post of the new stereo. There are now a couple pictures of the stereo in the dark.

http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php/topic,7356.msg54457.html#msg54457

Here, as well, is an updated picture of the trunk. The only big difference is that I have painted the interior sides black, as well as around the seal where the lid covers.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

And one last dinky little thing that I'm guessing no one on earth still has from an original Ford Pinto purchase from the dealership....

The plastic bag that they give you your owner's manual, owner card, warranty booklet and all other documents required by the purchaser before driving off the lot in their new car.

It's goofy to keep something that would otherwise be thought of as trash, but it really completes the literature side of my particular Pinto.  :P
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

The Warranty Identification Card. This was used to quickly process your information when your car required service within the warranty period. The fields would be filled out (blurred due to it containing my mother's past information and signature), and the aluminum plate would be stamped with your vehicle's identification number (VIN has been blurred) and a few other numbers. It also contained the Ford Dealership Number and the date that your vehicle was put into service (purchased). I haven't ever seen one of these before and I find it very neat that it was still in the glove box when I got the car. :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Here is the original warranty booklet which covered the basic details of the warranty on the Ford Pinto or small Ford pickup back in 1978.

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Here is some of the original literature that came with my car back in 78 when it was new.

The Owners Manual. Notice the production date on the back.  :P
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

That's who I purchased my current set of key blanks from. They are the same as the originals as far as design goes, but the material is like any other modern key (brass). Thanks for the link though!

If you happen to find some aluminum key blanks, I'd be all over them!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Cookieboystoys

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

dave1987

Here's a shot of the original keys to the car. I no longer use them, or duplicates of them.

When my ex-girlfriend was driving the car she somehow offset the tumblers in the original ignition cylinder and I ended up having to replace the entire ignition cylinder housing on the steering column and the cylinder itself.

The original keys are made of aluminum and have the same key style as 70s Ford key blanks have at locksmith shops. I've been looking for aluminum blanks all around but I do not believe they are made anymore. Now all that there is produced is the chromed brass blanks.

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Thanks guys!

Deffinately. With all of the things I purchased for the car restoration this year, I also got a set of round collapseable window shades. I'll be sure they are always up in the summer and that I part the car in the shade.

If worse comes to worse, I could (as could you), go to the scrap yard and pull a dash off an old pinto of the same year. Even if it's trashed, a new dash cap will fit over it perfectly if you cut down the high spots!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Trigger01

Car is still looking awesome! My dad put a new dash pad in my Pinto just before he gave it to me and the dang thing already has a big ole crack in the middle of it. Keep it protected!
-Mike
MCarrTrigger01@aol.com

SOLD
1978 Pinto Runabout
2.3 liter 4-cylinder
4-speed manual trans.

Daily Driver:
Heavily Modified Lifted '01 Ford Ranger Edge

Cookieboystoys

 :amazed: WOW  :amazed:

Fantastic! Looks Great!
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

dave1987

For cleaning my car I use the following products

Dash-Cap, kick panels, all plastic parts - Meguiar's Gold Class Protectant Wipes (www.meguiars.com)
Rubber shift boot & Vinyl Seats - Meguiar's Gold Glass Vinyl/Rubber Proectant Spray (www.meguiars.com)
Leather Seat Covers - Meguiar's Gold Glass Rich Leather Spray (www.mequiars.com)

As far as the body of the car goes, I use all Meguiar's products. #62 Professional Shampoo & conditioner, their Hi-Tech Yellow paste wax, the occasional Quick Wax, and their Hot Rims Aluminum Wheel Cleaner for the hub caps.

I don't let anything touch the car except for microfiber towels, even during the drying stage. While washing the car, I use a sheepskin car wash mit. For removing light scratches and swirl marks, I use Meguiar's ScratchX which does wonders.

For glass I use Stoner's Invisible Glass from the spray can, not the bottle, being wiped out with a microfiber.

The car is washed once a week during the summer and once a month during winter. Waxed with Hi-Tech Yellow paste was every 2-3 months during the summer and Quick Wax'd once a month after the wash during the winter.

Keeping the exterior of the car in beautiful condition is just as important as the interior!

If anyone has any questions on detailing or paint care feel free to ask. If I can't answer it myself I will find someone who can!

Thats all for today. I will post more tomorrow of the trunk seal and I will update the photos of the rear speakers and new CD deck.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

And some creative shots of the logo and passenger's side of the car (front to back).
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

After all the work done to the car I figured I should clean it up a bit with a spray bottle of heavily diluted car was shampoo & conditioner and some Meguiar's Quick Wax (in the red bottle). Here's the car after a spiffy spray bottle car wash and wax in the garage.  ;D

Notice the deep shine and great reflection!  8)

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Thanks turbo toy! Still a few more posts to go but I'm still pushin. :)

Last but not least, I installed the new brake rotors. The new rotors came with bearing races installed, however I removed them using a transfer punch and a mallet. I figure it'd be best to play it safe and use the matched races that came with the new bearings, instead of possibly ruining the new bearings and having to disassemble the new rotors all over again in a short time.

After about and hour of work removing the stock races, I installed the new bearing races with the aid of a tool my dad manufactured while he worked at Hewlett-Packard. He used a professional lathe to form this tool out of a wide aluminum dowel. He used the lathe to grind down sections of the dowel to the exact size of the bear race seats so new races can be installed by hand, with the ease and convenience of an open end wrench and a ratchet handle. Basically, tightening the nuts on each end presses the race inward, depending on which side's smaller press is going inwards.

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

turbo toy

Wow 10 posts in a row and the first time I have ever seen the recent post section with only one name from top to bottom. Hang in there dave1987. The car looks very nice BTW. :lol:

dave1987

The new Pioneer DEH-P3900M deck was somewhat difficult to install. The Pinto's stock AM radio originally is secured to the dash by the tuner and volume knobs, following up with a screw on the back. I had to fabricate a mounting bracket for use with modern CD decks, which is screwed onto a 3/4" thick pieces of wood, then bolted to the dash from the bottom. the pressure from the cut radio bezel pressing down on the top of the radio keeps it from moving around.

It still needs a bit of work and some bezel work, but it came out pretty good for a 1 hour job!

The face plate comes off which I can place inside of an the old Pioneer deck's padded plastic face plate carrier. The deck also came with a remote so I don't have to strain my arm every time I want to adjust the audio!  :cheesy_n:
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

To ride in a nice "new" Pinto, and since it is my daily driver/only car, I had to install a new stereo system as well. The old Pioneer deck was starting the skip CDs, the rear Realistic (old Radio Shack brand) 6x9's were dry rotted, and the little temporary 3" speakers in the kick panels couldn't get very loud without distorting. It was time for an upgrade!

I do not have any pictures of the new 6x9 Pioneers in the back yet, but I will update this post with them as soon as possible.

For the front kick panel speakers I went with a pair of Pioneer TS-G671M 4-way 6.5" speakers. They can handle up to 260W of music power or 50W RMS (the most my deck can produce without an external amp), so distortion isn't a problem at all at high volumes.

Yes, a 6.5" speaker is massive for the Pinto's little kick panels. However the driver (magnet on the back) fits sung in the cut out behind the plastic kick panel, which gives you access to the door hinge bolts from the inside of the car. The speakers are around 3" tall when sitting on the magnet, or 3" deep when installed. The clearance from the body and the outside of the kick panel is about 2 inches, so I ended up having to cut a set of circular spacers from some particle board. I used my dad's drill press with a sanding drum on it to perfect them, and followed up by painting them black and clear coating them.

I personally love the look, however they arn't in the ideal location for most car audio phreaks. Most people would cut holes in the doors and mount them there like most cars have them. I myself didn't want to destroy my doors in any way and wanted to keep the speakers somewhat hidden. No, I do not kick them when shifting.  :cheesy_n:
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

and some full shots of the inside from both sides.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Now you can see the new interior. It looks amazing compared to what it used to be! I was really surprised at how much both the carpet and dash have improved the appearance of the car! I really didn't expect it to looks this nice, and I'm over joyed to have this part done with the car.

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Once that was finished the dash and the inside of the Dash-Cap were sanded with medium grade sandpaper and the silicon adhesive (included) was applied with a bead size of a pencil as per instructions included with it. After letting it sit on the dash, with paper towel rolls to "clamp" it and apply pressure between it and the windshield, for four hours it came out beautifully!

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

There was a lot to trim down above the gauge cluster. The dash pad had started to bow upwards on both sides.

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

So the carpet was finished after about two hours of work. I wanted to be sure it was perfect. Next up was the Dash-Cap taking around an hour of work time and four hours drying time.

The first step was removing any high spots on the original dash so the new Dash-Cap would fit properlly. My original dash wasn't to bad, except for a grand canyon crack down the center of the gauge and a hairline crack on the passenger's side.

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!