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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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pinto_one

Hey glad the got the mount I sent, and do not worry about shipping or paying for the mount, just happy to help out a fellow pinto owner with a great project, as for the mount being at an angle is odd , it is supposed to be flat , did you bolt the bottom up first then the side pinch bolt, you have to make sure the bottem is seated before you tighten the side one, the rubber mount has an alignment pin on it so make sure it is fully in when you tighen the nut , the two studs on top is for a bracket that supports the exhaust pipe , you can use flat bar on it, I removed it to save weight and shipping cost, can take a photo for you so you can copy it , and post more photos as you go, later. Blaine
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

74 PintoWagon

Nice radiator, height not going to be an issue??..
Art
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72DutchWagon

Thanks Blaine! Trans mount arrived yesterday, I'll have a good look at how to fit this piece, first thing I noticed is that it is slightly angled towards the drivers side of the car (not bend or anything it looks like), is this part of how the three mounts are supposed to work together? If bolted up it would try to tilt the trans somewhat to the left? Or is the type E bottom mount at an angle?
Regarding the radiator issue, certainIy after Blaine commented that it wasn't the original piece,  I decided to splash out on this one, I went to QSP products in Waalwijk (just an hour's drive from where I live) and bought me a new aluminum radiator that is made specifically for MK1 and MK2 Ford Escort RS 2000's (also Pinto engined). Trial fitting went smoothly, no cutting required to the sides of the radiator frame, just a little bit at the bottom. Will show more pic's later after the SPAL electric fan I ordered arrives from QSP. I first had to figure out if there was room for a suction or blowing fan, luckily the suction fan fits.

dianne

Quote from: pinto_one on June 05, 2015, 05:27:27 PM
Thanks for measureing that for me , saves me from crawling in the mud to look and see, the yard wants a hundred bucks for it , and the few reasons I want it is its cheep , it's a five speed, and it lines up with the shifter hole better than the T5 ,  this is not going to be put on a high powered engine anyway, planning on a diesel conversion, adapt it to the engine ,  on the trans mount you can easy make it work,  it only three inches back than stock,  plain "A" would be shorten the trans bracket a inch and a half , and move the slots in the cross member a inch and a half,  plan "B" would turn the trans cross member back wards and put a plate to pick up the studs in the mount and weld it on,  hope this helps , post photos when you get the stuff , like to see it , later Blaine

You're still doing the conversion? WOW. Can't wait to see. That EFI is too high BTW...
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- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
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- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

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pinto_one

Thanks for measureing that for me , saves me from crawling in the mud to look and see, the yard wants a hundred bucks for it , and the few reasons I want it is its cheep , it's a five speed, and it lines up with the shifter hole better than the T5 ,  this is not going to be put on a high powered engine anyway, planning on a diesel conversion, adapt it to the engine ,  on the trans mount you can easy make it work,  it only three inches back than stock,  plain "A" would be shorten the trans bracket a inch and a half , and move the slots in the cross member a inch and a half,  plan "B" would turn the trans cross member back wards and put a plate to pick up the studs in the mount and weld it on,  hope this helps , post photos when you get the stuff , like to see it , later Blaine
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72DutchWagon

Blaine, my measurement on the T9 from face of trans to bottom mount bolt hole is 14,57 inch (37cm).
This explains the extra adaptation that will be needed to get the original style mount in the right place.
I don't know if the front shaft and clutch are going to give you problems though.
As for the T9 transmission, it had a lot of bad press; not being strong enough and all that. But it has the exact right dimensions for our early Pinto's, and it has a huge aftermarket availability of parts and upgrades. If money is no problem you can go all the way to a Quaife QBE60G-H1 6-speed in-line sequential gearbox that can handle up to 375bhp (about $ 9200.- excl. taxes...) and it is a direct replacement upgrade for the T9!
More realistically, you can choose all kinds of upgrades to suit your wallet from countless companies because the T9 has a huge market in rallying, racing and kit cars.

pinto_one

Easy cure for the radiator/fan to close syndrome,  one I see that that is the radiator is not what cam with the car , but it can be used by bringing it to a radiator shop and have the side brackets swapped left to right moving the radiator forward a inch or so , I have done this to some V8 pintos in the past and trim the top just a tad , simple fix,   Next I took a tape measure of the stock trans from the pinto , type "E"   It's 11 1/2 " inches from the face of the trans (where it bolts to the bell housing to the bottom mount bolt , what is the type " 9 " 5 speed trans measurement of yours , know where one is here and thinking of putting one in my other pinto,  cheaper than a T-5 , later Blaine ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

72DutchWagon

Small but tedious job at the front, removing the viscous fan.
Trial fitting the original radiator made clear that the fan is too close to the radiator. This is caused by the Scorpio Pinto 2.0 having double pulleys and a wider viscous fan. So I had to make up two improvised tools; grind up an old 27 mm wrench to a width of 32 mm, and take a 51 mm chunk of square metal out of piece of U-iron. The U-iron is wide enough to fit over the pulley, and the "fork" holds the four pulley bolts to keep it from turning, on the other side the U-iron rests on the driver side frame bar.
The 32 mm wrench goes on the fan nut, and lengthened with a piece of pipe you pull it to the driver side (a little WD40 on the fan nut a day before may help), because this is a left hand thread.
Think I already know where it's heading with the fan/radiator solution, more in next post.

pinto_one

Yes I got your pm, this setup takes the same rubber mount for both transmissions, just the bracket is different , this one is the newer style one, very early ones only had the one bolt at the bottom (which most of the time got lose over time) later ones had the extra tab with a cross bolt to pinch the tabs one each side tight , will pull it off tomorrow and ck on shipping , and send more photos, later Blaine
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72DutchWagon

pinto_one, yes the missing link! Since my car had it's 4-speed replaced at some time by a C4, the bracket between the trans tail and rubber mount is gone. I've only seen a simple drawing of it in a parts catalog. I would like the original part, will send you a PM to talk shipping.
Your explanation of the working of the mounts makes sense, I haven't checked the angle of the original Scorpio engine mounts yet, if they are also at an angle I see no problem in using the Scorpio trans mount, if they are flat it's time to rethink.
But I'm not confident that it's a simple bolt on, I don't think the mount on the T9 tail is exactly in the same location as on the type E, think it's a tad further back and deeper, which would still mean some adaption like in image "trans mount idea 1"? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

pinto_one

hope you did not cut up your mount , you have to use the type of mount that came with the car or you are going to later have engine mount problems , the angle you have in the front makes the engine want to slide to the rear, the org transmission mount makes it move to the front , so every thing is centered , this set up is used to dampen engine vibrations at low and high speeds , same is used on some aircraft, you need a org pinto standard transmission mount , for a type "E"  , it will bolt to your type 9 ,  got a few extra if you want one, have to check on the shipping ,  this should make things much better in the long run, later Blaine in the deep south state of Mississippi ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

72DutchWagon

He, lost momentum there for a moment. Been busy with domestic chores, and had a good motorbike Pentecost weekend with one of my brothers and family in the Belgian Ardennes.
To answer pinto_one, yes, this is one rough little Pinto, I'd say it even deserves a subcategory, call it a Ford Donkey. And I love my old donkey.
It has little dings and dents all around, and patches have been repainted at different times with whatever was around and the biggest brush (broom? Great runs) available. Interior is mixed red and black. It doesn't bother me that much because I have no intention of bringing it back to showroom state.
Back to business, I first made a real simple mock up trans mount based on using the original Anchor rubber mount. The wood in the image would be replaced by U-iron. But the original style isn't  a masterpiece of rigid design to begin with.
Then I decided to hack up the Scorpio mount and weld 2 pieces of pipe on it to mount it just like the C4 mount, no changes to the body. My sincere apologies for the crap welding job, hope it stays together.
The Scorpio rubber mount has its own problems, because leaking oil can puddle on top of it and slowly eat it away. Luckily new ones are still available.
As I said before, I want the cheapest, fastest route to getting this car running again after an engine conversion. There are many options for up rating and renewing these parts, but they cost more money and time.   
First a runner, then if satisfied uprates.

pinto_one

Glad you got it the right way , but your carpet does bring a tear to my eye , 😱
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dick1172762

Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

72DutchWagon

So here it is, correction of the confusion going south situation; pinto 2.0 motor mounts in stock position. The "L" on the left bracket is now facing the driver.
People with an eye for detail will notice that the wires through the insulators are absent.
Reason is that the holes in the engine brackets for them aren't in the right position, they should be closer to the bolt. So cut the wire (Brian at Anchor says it usually doesn't affect the function of the mount) , or drill extra hole in bracket. Next time around I might drill the extra hole.
Shifter location looks OK, but still a little to the passenger side. Looking at the offset on the stock tranny mount, I get the impression that it is meant to be like that.
In the next post I hope to make an impression (everybody rolling on the floor with laughter) with my home fabricated mock up tranny mount.

72DutchWagon

Thanks again for all the response, good comments and clear pictures, I'll see if I have time this weekend to turn it all around again!

amc49

The angles of the motor mount flats on both ends and both sides are clearly arguing with each other, the mount steel brackets are mixed up there. Not saying that swapped back they will be 100% right but should be better as far as those angles. Look at pics directly above and mentally remove the rubber, the two flats are parallel.

L on a part as with all others means the left side as driver is sitting in the car.

Motors sitting correctly in the cars generally have the motor slightly higher in the front and why there is a correction angle generally built into the intake manifold to make the carb bowl pretty much dead level. Injectors do not need that though. Looks there like may need a bit more room on the back of intake to hood for the higher part of plenum there so that works out there as well.

Pintocrazed

This is the best pics I could take

pinto_one

I know about doing thing a few times before you get it right, I have had a few 2.0 over the years and the last one I pulled the engine out of was almost ten years ago, sitting here thinking about it I do remember that the open part was to the back, since the after market mounts you have may not have the alignment pins the org rubber mount had, that way you could not rotate then when you bolted them to the engine mount, they also were angled back alittle , the trans mount also had a pad like rubber mount that was angled to the front , (pushing forward) and keeping everything centered , like a big "V"  the more I think about it the more I remember , (good for the mind😜) but you almost got it, soon you will have the smell of old oil burning from the exhaust manifold from a smooth running efi 2.0 😷
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72DutchWagon

OK, makes sense, now the only other unknown to establish is in which direction the open sides of the isolator cups should point, because that also has an effect on the whereabouts of the tranny tail.
I would really like to get this right the third time, although it's good exercise, no need for going to the gym!

pinto_one

Looked again at the photos and hate to say this but you got the engine brackets backwards also, the parts marked are L & R  the Left side goes on the left side , this is detrmined buy sitting in the divers seat looking forward , not standing in the front looking to the rear, it should fit well after,
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72DutchWagon

Thanks guys for the quick response. Pinto_one, the oil deflecting function of the cup already came to mind (after installing them and looking at them the logic kicked in), glad to have an extra opinion on that. Pintocrazed, looking forward to some pictures, and as you said please post, to completent the picture library of this great site. There are tons of images of 71-73's converted to 74 up and more exotic mounts but no originals.   

pinto_one

There ya go that was quick ,😀
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pinto_one

Looking at the last photo I do believe you have the rubber mounts upside down , the cup goes to the top, this is from memory , with the cup on top it will deflect any oil that might drip on it if you have a leak , with the cup the way you have it , will hold oil or anything that my drip onto it , it will destroy the mount , the oil will turn the rubber to a black goo over time, a. Few will see this post and send you photos, later Blaine
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Pintocrazed

DUTCH,
I HAVE A 73 RUNABOUT WITH THE 2.O THATS NEVER BEEN OUT.SHOT ME A EMAIL ADDRESS AND ILL TAKE SOME TONIGHT.ILL ALSO POST THEM ON HERE SO ANYBODY CAN SEE FOR FUTURE REFERENCES

72DutchWagon

After fitting the T9 box to the 2.0 Pinto a strange new problem arises; the shift stick is in perfect location length wise, so no transmission tunnel hacking, but it is out of the middle, to much to the passenger side. Forcing it to the middle means the engine isn't straight in the bay.
This can't be right. I checked the photo's made during dismantling, and yes, I put the engine bracket's on the 85 Scorpio lump the same way as they were on the engine that came out. However, that doesn't mean that somebody couldn't have made a mistake in the past.
I could only find one set of left and right pictures of engine brackets on a 2.0 Pinto on posts by "Orange Alpine" on turborangerforums.com. If his were positioned right, then mine were wrong.
So, lift the engine and tranny again a few inches, and switch the engine brackets.
Now I have the bracket with letter "L" facing me on the left when standing in front of the engine.
After bolting everything down again the shift stick is in the middle, but I must admit that I'm still not satisfied with what I'm looking at, there seems to be too much stress on the insulators, and the block is too close to the firewall for my peace of mind.
Page 16 of the Ford Pinto Tech Manual 71-72.pdf mentions a Support Bracket (D1FZ6028A D1FZ6029A), a Mounting Bracket (D1FZ6030A D1FZ6031A) and the Insulators (D1FZ6038A). The insulator part number does cross reference to Anchor 2363. What the other 2 should look like I don't know. The ones I've got could theoretically even be 74's? 
I can't find any other info on the install of the engine brackets and the positioning of the insulator (is it upside down?), I need some help here.
Could someone with a 71-73 2.0 Pinto please post some pictures of the setup in their (hopefully) untouched car?
I can't start work on the transmission crossmember until I know that the engine is in the correct place.     

dga57

Quote from: dick1172762 on May 02, 2015, 06:40:12 PM
While in college my only car was a 1950 Ford with an Olds V-8. Had to change the clutch without a jack or lift. I drove it onto the curb with two wheels in the street and two wheels on the curb. Worked ok removing the tranie but about the time I started to replace the tranie it started to rain cats and dogs. The water kept getting deeper and deeper but I had to finish the job or miss school. The water was running from front to rear of the car and I was under the car with  my feet toward the front of the car. The water started to flow up both pants legs and ended up coming out around my collar and onto my face. Look at the number 6 picture to see how it looked when I did the clutch. But I did finish the clutch job. Anything for school.

LOL  You painted quite the image there!  The things we do for our cars!!!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dick1172762

While in college my only car was a 1950 Ford with an Olds V-8. Had to change the clutch without a jack or lift. I drove it onto the curb with two wheels in the street and two wheels on the curb. Worked ok removing the tranie but about the time I started to replace the tranie it started to rain cats and dogs. The water kept getting deeper and deeper but I had to finish the job or miss school. The water was running from front to rear of the car and I was under the car with  my feet toward the front of the car. The water started to flow up both pants legs and ended up coming out around my collar and onto my face. Look at the number 6 picture to see how it looked when I did the clutch. But I did finish the clutch job. Anything for school.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

pinto_one

Your getting there, has anyone here done one under the car with a dirt floor raise your hands,  ✋,  with that T-9,s extra gear will help alot, I still remember my 71 when I shifted into forth it always felt like I could shift one more time,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

72DutchWagon

Lost two days trying to fit the T9 gearbox with engine at maximum angle and lots of wobbly stacks of wood.  Stupid.
Did some reading; how about centering your clutch plate first, yes, and put the gearbox in gear, so you can line up the splines...
My clutch center tool was a 10mm socket that just happened to have the right outer dimensions, I put a round headed bolt through it (filed a little less wide then the socket), and  a piece of wire behind the nut, to be able to get the socket out again after tightening the pressure plate bolts.
Using a socket extension didn't work, the socket would stay in there. 
Ordered a $ 60.00 motorcycle scissor lift, mounted that on a cart, put the gearbox on top, and tied it to the lift with wire (why aren't these boxes flat at the bottom?), to keep it from falling off.
Then I jacked the box up, and carted it more or less straight to the engine.
This time success, but still, this isn't easy when you want to work alone, and the car is jacked up
only 14 inches from the floor. Space and equipment have their limits.