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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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74 PintoWagon

Glad to hear it's up and running, have fun with it..
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dga57

Congratulations on getting your Pinto back on the road.  Enjoy!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

pinto_one

Great to see the car up in running , especially when it's in a far away country, love to see the looks on old American tourists when they see your pinto wagon driving down the street , priceless. If you know anyone that's going to or near New Orleans to be a tourist here let me know , got some goodies to send back to you ,and thanks for sharing your progress

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76hotrodpinto

Congrats! I know how it feels to finally be back on the road. And doing all the work yourself should bring a prideful smirk to your face.
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

72DutchWagon

Well, my donkey is back on the road and is fully drivable.  So far no parts have fallen off.
It has a totally unstressed feel to it, and plenty of pickup.  It starts and idles good, It will do city traffic 30 mph in fourth without missing a beat, and I've had it up to 75 mph, which is already 20 mph more than the top speed in the former configuration, and there is lots of pedal left.
So this effectively ends project phase 2, in which I wanted to update the car to a more modern drive train to make it better usable in the 21st century. It is my only car (luckily my work is at bicycling distance) and  now can be used again for domestic duties, the grocery run, things like that.
Of course there is a lot of work that still has to be done, but phase 3 will have a more relaxed rolling resto  feel to it. No more pressure to get it moving before winter.
To do list: adjust valve clearance, renew brake oil (a constantly burning red light to remind you that you're only running on one brake circuit doesn't make you want to push the car to its limits), I've got no speedo now because the Scorpio's T9 has an electronic sender, I'm using the nav for speed.
Fuel gauge is still not working OK, have to take a look at the instrument cluster voltage regulator.
Turn signal canceling lip to the right is broken, horn buttons  on steering wheel are broken, safety belts keep locking up.
I want a new exhaust sytem and the list goes on and on.
But for now, many many thanks to everyone (especially Blaine) for their help and interest in this project, the feeling that even silent viewers are looking over your shoulder makes you want to push on and get things done, and I'm happy with what I've achieved; theoretically 28% more horsepower, fuel injection, 5-speed, no weight gain, and all on a budget.
From being a youngster, I've always dreamt of doing an American "Hot-Rod" style engine conversion, and no matter how small, this was mine.

pinto_one

Great job , we all look forward to see how the new updated pinto engine compared to the old one , your mileage should be better than before, let us know when you do your test run and a few numbers , also I would take an extra 5 gallon of gas in case you run low , my fuel pump is kinda set up like yours and when it is less than a 1/4 tank it stumbles a lot , and when I make a hard left turn the fuel runs away from the pickup and it goes dead , and the thought of pulling off to the Side of the road which most have a huge angle to the right the pump will not pick up any fuel, hope this helps when you jump on the gas with the tank low and wonder why it falls on its face after , good luck and looking good , your friends in the USA
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72DutchWagon

 A gas leak at the fuel rail was fixed by fastening a connection, ignition timing was set to 12 degrees BTDC with a new strobe light, and it runs all right.
The ECU, relays and surplus wiring loom are now all cozy together in this inner fender wall mounted box, still some loose and wrong colored wires around, but there's no excuse for not doing a road test anymore.
Hood clearance for EFI was checked with the Play-Doh test, no problems here. Hood in place and no one will be the wiser about what's under there.
Now it's a question of choosing a good day to turn this thing 90 degrees around on it's dollies, lifting it, get the dollies out of the way, push it outside, and try to get it into gear.

pinto_one

Great that it kind of runs , soon you will have everything sorted out and a clean up after , I also changed the starter on my pinto with one off of a Ford Explorer but I got rid of the orgenal solenoid on top, , used a aircraft AN fuse holder and ran the wire to the starter ,spins the engine good, we all like to see the finale outcome , later , your friend in the USA
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72DutchWagon

Yep, it's running. See the clip on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_milVcO9ZC0
The separate injection wiring loom from the Euro Scorpio 2.0 is an absolute doodle to install, it only takes two wires to make it run, black one to switched 12 volt (green/red wire close to ignition on steering column), and red/black wire to fuel pump, that's it, just like Dominic Bolton said on his Escort to EFI conversion page.
No mistakes to make with connectors because they're all different and only fit in one place.
I did manage to increase the difficulty somewhat by using the Scorpio starter motor which meant rewiring the solenoid as per instruction found on the net, and adding an electric fan.
The first few starts gave me a perfect priming pump, but no start, no click, nothing.  Investigation  (helped by my brother in law who knows how to use a multimeter) showed there was no starter signal to the solenoid, that's odd, the original wiring had never been touched and it functioned before taking the motor out.
Then a eureka moment, I took out an automatic, the starter wire first goes to the automatic and doesn't work unless the car is in neutral. I cut the red/blue wires at the connector and connected them directly, another try, and Vrooom (sort of).
Timing still has to be set correctly, exhaust is leaking, box is ordered to put ECU and relays in, etc., but most important is that it is alive.

72DutchWagon

Blaine, I'll be honest, I haven't gotten around to fabbing your four speed mount to the type 9, it has the converted Scorpio mount under there for now. I know it may not withstand the original "cradle" mount set up,  but it will have to do for the moment. Still glad to have the original part here for backup or later install.
Right now I'm caught in a wiring loom web, and trying to get out before the spider sucks my brain dry.

dianne

Quote from: pinto_one on August 07, 2015, 03:36:41 PM
This one he is using is a type "9" five speed gearbox , the mount that bolts to it fits the early pinto type "E" four speed gearbox , but the trans mount is a few inches back and he did not have a standard mount , so I sent him one , he took out a C-4 auto , now going efi five speed , looks nice ,

Cool. I'm building one soon. Too many projects :(

The King is running though. Almost ready for the road!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

pinto_one

This one he is using is a type "9" five speed gearbox , the mount that bolts to it fits the early pinto type "E" four speed gearbox , but the trans mount is a few inches back and he did not have a standard mount , so I sent him one , he took out a C-4 auto , now going efi five speed , looks nice ,
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dianne

Quote from: pinto_one on August 06, 2015, 03:41:40 PM
Looks like your getting there , soon you will have it running , did you get that transmission mount I sent you to work , just like to know how close it was , later Blaine

There is a mount that works out of the box? I'm having to custom fab one for my EFI conversion.
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

pinto_one

Looks like your getting there , soon you will have it running , did you get that transmission mount I sent you to work , just like to know how close it was , later Blaine
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

72DutchWagon

One more mechanical  job, swap the throttle cable, and how easy can it be; I only had to get out the trusted rat tail file again and widen up the bulkhead hole to 0.71 inch (14mm) and hook up to the 72 pedal was just the same as with the 85 Scorpio.
On the manifold I found that the cable was to tight, it opened up the butterfly valve a little, but there is no way of adjusting the cable.
I finally compressed the gold anodized spring contraption (it still has a little play left) at the manifold end of the cable and fitted a hose clamp behind the bracket, now the butterfly valve is fully closed.
I think the spring thing protects the cable against breaking when someone wants to push the pedal through the floor, have to be more careful then.
I could always cut a coil or two from the spring to restore more of its function, but let's first see if this works. 

72DutchWagon

Last week I've tested the electric fuel pump, it works!
After that I got the car of its stands and made a bracket for the L-jetronic AFM and air filter. There was no way that I could use the Scorpio airbox in the Pinto bay. I've read all about cold air intake but when I found a cone filter producer who actually said that during normal driving the airstream reduces the positive effect to near zero, and that one should keep the filter out of a water spray area, I decided to put it where the most room was.
The intake manifold in the Scorpio was already supported with a bracket on the engine mount. I replicated a similar construction and added the AFM support. Cone filter is a not to expensive part by German outfit raidhp, who also rather conveniently have a nice L-jetronic AFM to round cone filter adapter.
One minor issue, it's one of those things we all run into all the time I think, you fab something, and then there is no room for the ECU connector to plug into the socket on the part you mounted...
Have to go make a ¾ inch spacer!
After this it's all electrickery, now where is that Scorpio wiring loom.
One other thing, If anyone has got an extra early Pinto manual gear lever shift boot and mounting plate lying around please send me a pm, I'm missing those parts. 

pinto_one

76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

72DutchWagon

I forgot about a little something under the car, clutch cable!
I count myself lucky because the person who converted this car to an automatic somewhere in the past didn't remove the clutch pedal and cable. Of course there was a small hitch, the hole for the clutch cable in the T9 bell housing was only 0.47 inch (12,5mm) and I needed 0.55 (14mm). This wouldn't have been a big problem with the transmission on a bench, but now it was already in place.
No straight access with a drill or dremel, so I patiently spent a few hours on my back under the car with a rat tail file. After that it just was a question of hooking the cable in the clutch fork.
No trouble with crossmember clearance or anything.

72DutchWagon

Some progress the past couple of days, I fabbed a fuel filter clamp from 0,04 inch (1mm) thick sheet metal, and put an old bicycle tire in it as rubber insulation. I mounted the clamp and big canister style original filter in the left rear wheel well under the trunk floor, just behind the fuel filler pipe. This brings it nicely in the vicinity of the old fuel return line, which now is the delivery line. The vapor exit on the tank now has a tiny air filter as a vent.
Next I installed a new piece of brake vent hose (on top of the rear axle) and pushed it through the tank strap hole like it was before, the old one just broke off when I looked at it.
I installed the driveshaft, taking care not to over tighten the U-bolts at the rear. The fuel pump wires from the Scorpio harness were run in rubber grommets through an existing hole in the trunk floor, ready to be coupled up later to new wire running to the front of the car.
This leaves only the exhaust pipe to be rejoined, somebody in the past cooked up an exhaust that is completely welded together from old pipe, I had to cut it to get some decent access to remove the engine and box.
For the moment I reinstalled the 72 Pinto exhaust manifold because this means the least hassle with exhaust fabrication. A decent system can always be built at a later stage.
When that's done I'm finished with work under the car (for this phase that is)! 

pinto_one

Great , I,see,you got the lines almost done , try to get the pick up tube in the middle of the tank if you can, or almost to the back, on mine when I have less that a 1/4 of a tank and take off kind of quick before I hit second gear it just falls on its face , the reason is the gas (the few gallons left ) goes to the back of the tank and uncovers the pick up and sucks air , then the big stumble afterwards, so I always fill up when I get a 1/4 tank,  also I found on really hot days it happens before I get that low , one I believe the fuel is getting hotter because the fuel is circulating from tank to hot engine and back, as the fuel heats up it has a chance to vapor lock the car starts to stumble a lot, more when I have a the A/C on high in traffic, I insulated both fuel lines under the hood and helped big time , now knowing this and if it happens to you car your u will not have to pull your hair out,  later Blaine
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72DutchWagon

Thanks for the offer pinto_one, but shipping cost would be too high for these few items. They are available here so no problem.
Getting it all fumbled into the tank required some elastic fingers, patience and the tools from the last post. The pickup doesn't block the original fuel sending unit as this goes up and sideways when inserted.
Speaking about the sending unit, my fuel gauge wasn't working properly before so I took it apart following  this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=228YQN_SkKI called "How to repair a 68 Mustang Fuel Sending Unit. A lot of dust came out (dried out in a few months), the pickup wire windings were treated with contact spray and rubbed with a clean cloth to remove excess, and the swivel contact was bent outward just a touch. After that I had the just about the same multimeter readings as the man in the video, so in the tank with this unit, and install the tank back under the car.

pinto_one

Looks like you got some aircraft fittings , wish I knew you were going to use that I could have sent you some I have , (I work on aircraft )  one to go though the tank is a bulk head fitting. AN 832 and the nut that goes on it AN 924 , but remember that these are not the 45 degree standard fittings , these are 37 degrees, or JIC spec ,  hope this helps , it's the little things that will get you , you would be surprised of the things aircraft owners has done in trying to work and fix the small things that end up costing more money than they ever thought of , even ther lives , 
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72DutchWagon

Time for an update! I must admit that I was quite humbled by 79prostreet's images, what a beautiful car. I almost didn't dare post anymore. But, seeing 76hotrodpinto soldiering on regardless, I'll just carry on with my Ford Donkey.
Fuel system; I decided to use the original fuel pickup pipe and line as the return line, so I removed the old filter around the pickup.
Then it took some thinking about where to make a hole for the new pickup, several times remounting the tank to check for space, and also very important, you have to be able to get to the back of the hole to tighten a nut.
I finally decided on a hole just to the right of the original sending unit. For pickup it's bolt on AN D10 parts, which is a bit over the top (especially as half of it is unseen in the tank), I'm sure there are  arguments against this, and it could be done in a more simple way, but at this point I don't want to spend time familiarizing myself with fuel line pipe, bending and flaring tools and soldering and what have you. Of course, I still had to make up tools to get the AN parts fastened.
The vapor emission exit on the tank will just get a piece of a hose and a tiny air filter at the end, and the return fuel line will be used as fuel delivery line.
I used D10 parts because the original set up in the Scorpio was done this way, big diameter small distance input to pump, and after that small diameter to filter and engine.

72DutchWagon

With the alternator I decided to take the easiest route for now, fit the 72 brackets to the Scorpio 2.0 and mount the alternator that was in the Pinto originally, which was a newer piece than the one in the Scorpio anyway. Top bracket didn't fit the '85 thermostat housing, so the housing was switched.
I'll have to find a shorter V-belt though (Pinto's water pump pulley was bigger in diameter), and I'm stuck with the external voltage controller. If this functions I can try to change to the double pulley from the Scorpio, have an extra belt, if it doesn't I'll have to make up mounts for the Scorpio alternator.
Then I started work on the electric fuel pump bracket, made it from 1.18x1.18 inch angle iron and parts left from the Scorpio bracket. It positions the pump between the tank and the rear axle on the driver's side.  Square notch out of iron at the right clears the tank strap mounting hole.
Fuel system think through and execution takes up a lot of time, and parts from several suppliers!

pinto_one

Wow , you have plenty of room now , I would have used the clutch fan to keep everything simple, looking good
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

72DutchWagon

Fitting the radiator required a little cutting at the bottom of the support, the top horizontal flat part of this u-iron (sort of) had to be shortened to the same width as the bottom one. Second image still  shows a little triangle at the right that also had to be pinched out.
1.38 inch square tubing was used for keeping correct distance from original mounts, radiator doesn't touch anywhere else, original Pinto hoses fit, and I've got 1.18 inch between block and SPAL electric suction fan, I'm well pleased with this.
Total cost of this radiator including cap and temp switch was $ 299.80 (excl. freight, I picked it up). To get it working I still need some wire, relay and fuse.
One piece of advice, I bought this from a company that I can go back to if it is faulty, go direct on Ebay and you might get yourself a box from China with a similar but not quite item that didn't pass B2B export quality checks.
Next fun hurdle is going to be the alternator brackets, the Scorpio brackets put the alternator half way into the frame rails, and the Pinto brackets don't fit the Scorpio alternator. To be continued!

pinto_one

Ok , I see what you mean, if it's that way with the alinement pin/tab one the rubber mount it could be they made the mount wrong , pin placement due to year of the car , the rubber mount I brought new over ten years ago for my 76 wagon, but bit the dust (or salt water ) when hurricane Katrina passed over my butt and it went under water at the airport I was working at the time, but you can drill a new hole in the mount to relocate the pin or just grind the pin off, ck it against your old rubber mount , good info for anyone else ( without a parts book ) to know if they are swapping around parts from different years ,    (But we know your going to sneek into the garage tonite when the wife's asleep and take a look)   I often do when I'm doing the same thing 😀
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: 72DutchWagon on June 10, 2015, 08:54:02 AM
74 PintoWagon, with positioning tests it worked out all right, it doesn't hit the front valance. Hight is 19,29 inches. Don't be confused by the radiator on the right that was in there, because if it's not the one the car came with, like Blaine said, it's not a good benchmark.

Gotcha thanks, makes sense now..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pintocrazed

let me know how the radiator fits.been seeing these on ebay but wasn't sure if they would fit

72DutchWagon

74 PintoWagon, with positioning tests it worked out all right, it doesn't hit the front valance. Hight is 19,29 inches. Don't be confused by the radiator on the right that was in there, because if it's not the one the car came with, like Blaine said, it's not a good benchmark.
Pinto_one, I haven't test fitted the mount yet, made a new pic, hope you see what I mean by the angle.
Haven't got time before next week to sneak of to the garage.