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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dga57

Matt,

I've only met you once in person, as you know, but have known you through this forum for the entire twelve years that I've been here.  Between Harold II and this Pinto, you have often been one of the more prolific posters on the site.  I understand how clinical depression can affect your interest in doing anything, but I, along with most of the long-time members here, would hate to see you throw in the towel after all the hard work you've done.  If there's anything we can do to help, let us know.  We do care!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Quote from: pinto_one on June 03, 2019, 09:10:59 AM
I see this offten when luck turns bad and want to give up ,  Don,t .  just take a few steps back and look things over and hit the problem .  I have been there quit a few times in my life , knowing these cars (pinto ) they will run forever with some care and fixing problems before they get too big ,, a starter problem is no diffrent than the starters on the airfraft I work on , (Cessna aircraft use the same kind of alternator the pinto has )  and we have to find why your starter failed , guy come to me and ask why his $1000 buck stater died , my reply is I dont know and put on a new $1000 buck starter and then find out why it failed ,  the engine is very hard to start and he just keeps on cranking untel it does , I saw in past post you had carb problems and a small fire , one is you car hard to start to begin with , two , are the cables to the starter are the org ones that came with the car ? same for the battery cables , got a good battery , great . just work on the starter and cables , once you get that fixed your half way there, if the car is hard ti crank got to look at the carb , was it damaged from the fire or replaced after ?  the back fire when cranking might also point to ign problem , bad cap and rotor from age , cheep to replace , and when you do try to start the car again do not crank more than 10 seconds at a time , a min rest between starts , after the third try give 30 mins cool time ,  the location of the starter is fine , they last for years , best if you buy one from napa with a lifetime warnity ,and last , do not scrap the car , waste to do so , too many have been sent to the yards when they can be saved , hope this helps you in some way , later Blaine

It's more than the car. When you're dealing with depression you don't want to do anything. I've been fighting it on and off for close to 20 years. I don't ever touch the car due to one event or another. It's to where I don't want to touch the car, and scrapping it is a way to get rid of it. That's how it's being looked at currently, and it's due to the depression.

As for the other issues I've checked everything and know it is the starter. The car ran fine before, other than the choke issue. Carburetors are not my specialty, as I went to both Eastland Career Center and college for Automotive Technology but dealt with more modern fuel injected cars, not to mention bad advice on carburetors I received in the past from certain people who shall remain nameless. I have replaced everything as a precaution due to the fire, so I know what you're saying about those particular parts. Battery was the first place I started since it's right there. The carb came off a good running car. Same car as the engine. Wiring was donated by another member on this site since I didn't have a good harness after the fire. Distributor was shot due to the fire, so I used the one that was on the engine that was installed. A distributor that was rebuilt in 2009 and worked perfectly when the engine was in the 77. Timing spot on, as was the timing belt. I get what you're saying, but you're not hitting on the one thing Russ did... Where I got the starter from. I bought from Autozone, which is hit or miss. This time it missed. Starter is pulling too many amps, and needs replaced.  I just got off the phone and found it was a new unit, but unfortunately those can fail, like re manufactured. Good thing since reman only had one year.  I know the carb isn't correct for the year, and have the old one for a core. The engine ran great with that carb. Good power and starting. Just not running the best when cold due to the choke issue. Will a different carb fix that? Possibly, but not certain.

In my case it sits in the garage, untouched with the front end halfway torn off, and a dead starter. I appreciate your encouragement and suggestions, but the bigger issue is just not wanting to work on the car, and lack of motivation. It's nice when people you don't know offer words of encouragement. I know the depression is a big part of the lack of motivation. Haven't wanted to do anything, let alone touch that car.

If I do get back to the car I did put fuel stabilizer in the tank, so that'll help keep the gas from turning on me.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: russosborne on June 02, 2019, 09:50:21 PM
Hmmm, something is wrong. The starters on these lasted years in that position. Was this most recent starter new when you got it? Assuming not, since if so you could get a replacement free under warranty.
Have you checked/replaced the battery cables? Don't go stock size, go up one or two. Like 2ga instead of 4ga.
DEI makes a heat shield wrap that you can wrap around the starter if it really is a heat issue.
https://www.summitracing.com/search/brand/design-engineering-dei/part-type/starter-heat-shield-wraps
But again, if it is, there is something else wrong. Unless you are running a header, and I don't think you are.

Is your rack power or manual?

Russ

Yeah, the starter that was on the car was an older unit that worked great when I bought the car, and died days after I changed the engine. I was not happy about that since I had the old one tested before installing it. The replacement I think was a new unit, with the lifetime warranty. I THINK. I'm certain about the warranty,  but not certain about it being new vs remanned. Nope, no header. Only difference is it's got the down pipe from my 77 parts car, instead of the original 1980 downpipe that had the pre-converter set up

Power rack
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pinto_one

I see this offten when luck turns bad and want to give up ,  Don,t .  just take a few steps back and look things over and hit the problem .  I have been there quit a few times in my life , knowing these cars (pinto ) they will run forever with some care and fixing problems before they get too big ,, a starter problem is no diffrent than the starters on the airfraft I work on , (Cessna aircraft use the same kind of alternator the pinto has )  and we have to find why your starter failed , guy come to me and ask why his $1000 buck stater died , my reply is I dont know and put on a new $1000 buck starter and then find out why it failed ,  the engine is very hard to start and he just keeps on cranking untel it does , I saw in past post you had carb problems and a small fire , one is you car hard to start to begin with , two , are the cables to the starter are the org ones that came with the car ? same for the battery cables , got a good battery , great . just work on the starter and cables , once you get that fixed your half way there, if the car is hard ti crank got to look at the carb , was it damaged from the fire or replaced after ?  the back fire when cranking might also point to ign problem , bad cap and rotor from age , cheep to replace , and when you do try to start the car again do not crank more than 10 seconds at a time , a min rest between starts , after the third try give 30 mins cool time ,  the location of the starter is fine , they last for years , best if you buy one from napa with a lifetime warnity ,and last , do not scrap the car , waste to do so , too many have been sent to the yards when they can be saved , hope this helps you in some way , later Blaine
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

russosborne

Hmmm, something is wrong. The starters on these lasted years in that position. Was this most recent starter new when you got it? Assuming not, since if so you could get a replacement free under warranty.
Have you checked/replaced the battery cables? Don't go stock size, go up one or two. Like 2ga instead of 4ga.
DEI makes a heat shield wrap that you can wrap around the starter if it really is a heat issue.
https://www.summitracing.com/search/brand/design-engineering-dei/part-type/starter-heat-shield-wraps
But again, if it is, there is something else wrong. Unless you are running a header, and I don't think you are.

Is your rack power or manual?

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

r4pinto

Only one car? Not exactly. My other one is a Cavalier with a messed up steering column lol! The starter on the car was 8 months old when it failed. Damn dumb design being so close to the exhaust so it took all the heat. I know that's what literally cooked it. I had the battery tested since it was cranking slow and I thought no way could it be the starter. Even though both were newer. I don't go in my garage much due to a parts Cavalier wagon that I still need to pull the dash out, so I can get rid of the shell.

The rack itself is still mounted in the car, although the entire rack should be replaced due to bad seals. For now it just gets new tie rods, and bellows to replaced the one that melted from the fire of 2013. I have the suspension bushings but haven't done anything with them to get them in the replacement control arms I got from Carlisle 2011.

Unfortunately my job change made me more miserable than before to where I quit caring.This week was the Ford Nationals in Carlisle, but haven't wanted to even do little car shows. My Dad wants to go to the Chevy Nationals in Carlisle and take the Cavalier. Hopefully that'll help ignite the spark that has fizzled.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

russosborne

Hey, Matt.

At least you only have one car to get irritated with. I have 3. And everything is my fault with them.

Trust me, I know how you are feeling. I've spent literally thousands on this 79, and it is basically in the same condition as when I bought it over a year ago. I have to see it everytime I go out the front door. Sometimes I wish I would go out there and find it gone.

Wish I was still in Ohio. We  could go get drunk.

What starter do you need for the Pinto? I've also got poly rack mount bushings, forgot I didn't have a stock rack on this car. Plus new T bolts for the upper control arms, 2 sets even. Forgot I had already ordered  one set from Speedway when I bought the second from Summit. If any of that will help you just send me your address. Don't need either, the tubular arms I bought came with them.

I've been living-or more like existing-with depression for over 30 years. All the drugs do is keep me from killing myself. Not a fun way to live. Not at all.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

r4pinto

Unfortunately it's been rough since last year. Flu twice, Quad injury and a job change that made life miserable effected me majorly. Didn't even touch the Cavalier for months. Been hard to find joy in anything, and put on about 20-25 lbs. I'm back in my old job now and will be locating a counselor once the insurance kicks in. Just irritating to get in the garage and see the car in the same state as when I was wiped out by the flu last May. Dead starter and torn apart front suspension. Just bad.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on June 01, 2019, 01:41:29 PM
Nothing done with the car. Leaning towards scrapping it. Depression is real. Don't want to deal with it. If I do get rid of it I'll call a wrecker and have it junked

Hi Matt!

It would be a shame to scrap it now but of course, it's your car and you can do as you wish. 

You're absolutely correct, depression is real.  Fortunately, there is a lot of real treatment for depression out there too.  It's never easy but, for your own sake, reach out and seek help before you do anything else.  The right treatment can make all the difference in the world.  We care.

Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Nothing done with the car. Leaning towards scrapping it. Depression is real. Don't want to deal with it. If I do get rid of it I'll call a wrecker and have it junked
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: russosborne on November 23, 2018, 03:52:33 AM
Yeah. Not the best place for a starter.

If you have it in a place that isn't needed  for something else, try to just leave it there and forget about it until you feel like doing something to it again.

I'm really bad with hobbies. I have too many, and I tend to focus on just one until I get sick of it. I haven't touched my bass guitar in almost a year. I even bought a new to me one at a thrift store, and other than checking out the frets there I haven't touched it since bringing it home last spring. And we don't even want to get started on my model car stuff.

But right now I am enjoying playing with the 79 Pinto and am bound and determined to get it on the road by March. Although so far it is spending money 99% of the time, working on it 1%.

Just don't be like me and sell stuff, and then end up buying similar stuff later when I realize I still want to do it. Done that a few times with basses. I finally learned to at least keep one bass around no matter what. Much cheaper that way.

Russ
Yep you hit the nail on the head. I'm selling off my old Omni GLH since I don't do anything with it. The Cavalier is a running, driving car and doesn't need much. The pinto is well, hibernating lol. After I got sick this year I didn't go back to it. Who knows maybe next year.


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Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

russosborne

Yeah. Not the best place for a starter.

If you have it in a place that isn't needed  for something else, try to just leave it there and forget about it until you feel like doing something to it again.

I'm really bad with hobbies. I have too many, and I tend to focus on just one until I get sick of it. I haven't touched my bass guitar in almost a year. I even bought a new to me one at a thrift store, and other than checking out the frets there I haven't touched it since bringing it home last spring. And we don't even want to get started on my model car stuff.

But right now I am enjoying playing with the 79 Pinto and am bound and determined to get it on the road by March. Although so far it is spending money 99% of the time, working on it 1%.

Just don't be like me and sell stuff, and then end up buying similar stuff later when I realize I still want to do it. Done that a few times with basses. I finally learned to at least keep one bass around no matter what. Much cheaper that way.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

r4pinto

Thanks Russ, taking things one day at a time. It's been a busy month or so. Nothing has gotten done. I'm selling my old Omni GLH, and considering I never have time I'm considering scrapping the Pinto. No time or motivation lately. The Cavalier is a running, driving car that was owned by one owner and in much better shape than the beat up Pinto. Time will tell what I decide. Need to get some fuel stabilizer in the car, and try to start it, although with the bad starter it's a no-go. One year old and the damn thing went. Stupid design by Ford to have the starter right next to the exhaust. I know it got burned out. Will see what 2019 brings.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

russosborne

Matt!
Great to see you are still around.
Just do what you can when you feel like it. I've been waiting for it to cool off here so I can work on the 79 I bought in the spring. So far all I have done is empty it out of loose parts and buy stuff. Hopefully soon it will get nicer here.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on October 03, 2018, 11:17:17 AM
Yeah, the heat does make it harder LOL. Although, it would have been easier to do if I didn't have that heightened interest in my 87 cavalier LOL.


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Probably true, but just think... you'll have TWO nice vintage drivers eventually! ;D
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r4pinto

Yeah, the heat does make it harder LOL. Although, it would have been easier to do if I didn't have that heightened interest in my 87 cavalier LOL.


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Every project I've ever had, automotive and otherwise, tends to stall during the hot summer months.  The work goes so much faster when the weather is comfortable!


Dwayne :)
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r4pinto

Been a while for me on here and for the car. Last October I was using it as a daily driver until the right front tie rod went. I then bought a 2017 Cruze and parked the Pinto. I have the right front torn apart and left front tire rod off. The car is getting an entire suspension rebuild.

The starter I put on failed already and I believe it's due to heat from the exhaust pipe. May try to wrap the starter to protect it.

I've not touched the car since the flu knocked me down in April but hope to this fall/winter.


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dick1172762

I agree Pintopower with you 100% about the carb being ok. Its one of the simples carbs I ever worked on bar none. I have never seen one that did not out last the car it was in. There's nothing to wear out so it should last a really long time. I guess if you did not look after it, the shaft bushing could wear out, but I've never seen one do that.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pintopower

Quote from: r4pinto on October 28, 2017, 02:40:57 PM
Not even gonna mess with it. The carburetor is a pile of crap so just doing what I can to move it from one side of the garage to the other. No more, no less. So your advice will be ignored

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Hey there Matt, I know those carbs are a pain but @dick1172762 was just trying to help.


Now hang on there Matt, dick1172762 was just trying to help. I for one love that carb but I can imagine that some of them can have issues.


Quote from: dick1172762 on October 28, 2017, 04:38:37 PM
Well that's ok because other members on here may be able to use the information in the future.

I too was going to recommend that.
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

dick1172762

Well that's ok because other members on here may be able to use the information in the future.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

r4pinto

Not even gonna mess with it. The carburetor is a pile of crap so just doing what I can to move it from one side of the garage to the other. No more, no less. So your advice will be ignored


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dick1172762

Quote from: r4pinto on October 27, 2017, 06:52:49 AM
Haven't even touched the car. After pulling the accelerator pump nozzle it has sat. I will be putting the nozzle back in and move the car to the other side of the garage, followed by suspending the insurance until next year since the car show season is done.


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Make sure you remove and look at the power valve cause they can both be stop'd up and or leak. Not good either way. Easy fix.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

r4pinto

Quote from: pintosopher on October 27, 2017, 06:55:14 AM
Ahh Another horse goes to the Stable for the winter. Pickled Ponies abound as the season unwinds... Keep the stall clean and dry.. ;)
That reminds me. Clean the garage up a little so I can get the car moved over lol


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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Pintosopher

Ahh Another horse goes to the Stable for the winter. Pickled Ponies abound as the season unwinds... Keep the stall clean and dry.. ;)
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

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r4pinto

Haven't even touched the car. After pulling the accelerator pump nozzle it has sat. I will be putting the nozzle back in and move the car to the other side of the garage, followed by suspending the insurance until next year since the car show season is done.


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Pintosopher

Updates make the world go 'round.. And how's that Pinto project going? ;D
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

r4pinto

Agree with you completely on the filter. Cut it open and nothing in it. Was a salvageable filter anyway since I already bought a new one. Still nice to get this taken care of.


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1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dick1172762

I've never had a Pinto that didn't have that rust looking crap in the float bowl. The problem is the worthless fuel filter that Ford used to save a penny per car. On all of my Pintos I placed a new filter near the tank and one by the fuel pump. Problem gone. The old stock filter? Still there but no trash ever gets to it.
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r4pinto

Vacation!!!!! Not much to report. This weekend I pulled the top of the carburetor off to find rust in the bowl. Since I got the carb off my 77 I don't know for sure if it was from this or that car. I did however find the nozzle was clogged. So that explains a lot of my issues. Got the nozzle soaking to clean it up and bought a can of carburetor cleaner. I will clean out the bowl, and see if I can get the original carburetor functioning again. New fuel filter as well. Additionally the hoses from the power steering cooler sprung a leak so I will be replacing them as well.


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress