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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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sedandelivery

Absolutly replace the pump. I had a similar situation and I took off my pump to find the impeller was almost completely rusted away. A new pump only cost 30.00 I think for a new one.

Pinto5.0

I would put a water pump on it. New is better than rebuilt but a rebuilt will be cheap insurance against it failing. Once the rest of the system is up to snuff that old one isn't gonna last a month.
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r4pinto

I swear when you think you are gonna get somewhere someone pulls you back to reality and proves you wrong...

I went outside planning on pulling the radiator, replacing the timing belt & after a few other repairs having the car running this evening. Well, I was proven wrong again. I started by loosening the radiator petcock to drain out the old coolant & it wouldn't drain. I thought there was something wrong so I kept trying but only a few drips. I got out a wrench & ended up removing it, to see nasty, brown, cruddy antifreeze coming out. Flushed out the radiator with a garden hose until I got clear water but was concerned. Looked at the petcock & it was packed with so much dirt & crud it wouldn't drain. No problem, I figured I would replace it. Got to thinking what else is plugged, so I went ahead & pulled the upper & lower hose. Interesting find with the upper hose. The t-stat housing was so corroded there is 1/4" of the housing gone at the top where the hose goes. The  t-stat was also stuck in the housing. More muddy coolant in the head... I went ahead & checked the hose & it is mushy so that is gonna be replaced. Also removed the lower hose, which is also crap, as well as the hoses going from the heater core to the t-stat & water pump. All those rubber hoses will be replaced. I went ahead & removed the fan from the water pump & fortunately the bearing is still good. Just as a precaution I am gonna remove it & make sure there is no debris in there, as well as get a new gasket.

All this corrosion & crud in the coolant is now making me wonder about the condition of both the radiator, and head gasket. The radiator is a no brainer. Remove it & have it pressure tested, as well as professionally flushed. The head gasket, that is a little different. I'm not sure about tackling that just yet, as I wasn't planning to at this time but might end up doing it anyways. It's also got me concerned of that heater core. Wondering what kind of crap is in it or if it will leak as well.

So the day started off with me planning on having the car running by the end of the day, now with the realization that it needs more than I thought to get the car running, and with no cash to do it with. Not a good day at Matt Manter's house. First the tranny goes out on the 77, now the 80 needs more work than thought in order to be driveable.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thanks Becky, As soon as I saw then I had to get them. Too good a price to pass up.


Now for updates on the car. I removed the char broiled fuel pump & looked at the hoses. Well, it looks like one ruptured since it was very much charred and blown out. There were two hoses & one was still in one piece, just a little cracked.  The other one was all charred with a hole in it. I think the hose blew out & possibly caused some of the fire. Regardless I am replacing all the hoses, as well as the metal like that would not come off the pump. Before I attempt to start the car I will replace the rear fuel hoses as well. I was gonna take the car to the Ohio Pinto meet but I wanna get the car right before taking it on such a long trip.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

Quote from: r4pinto on August 30, 2012, 07:09:37 PM
Pics of the center caps

I saw those on ebay a few days ago. I was considering putting a bid on them, but I'm on the search for Civil War crap, so I didn't. Good get, Matty!
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Update:

I went to "Swappers Day" in johnstown, Ohio and found a pair of speakers that I am gonna try to install inthe door. not sure how they will fit since they aren't flush mount but not bad for $4.00. I also went ahead & tore into the nightmare of the fuel pump. Wow is that car an oily mess down there. Time to degrease everything. The fuel pump may not have been a problem, as I found a burst fuel hose. Either way I'm not gonna chance it since I have a spare fuel pump & the old one shows fire damage. In addition the metal line would not come off the old fuel pump so I am gonna bend a new line going to the carb from the pump. I hope to have the car running by tomorrow, but we will see.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Just got a pair of the aluminum wheel caps since my alloys didn't have any. I got them off ebay for $22 shipped. They aren't perfect but neither are the wheels. Regardless they will look better than wheels without the centers.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well the metal lines are in good shape. It's just the rubber hoses that are needing changed. Replacing them as a precaution. Only one fire per car allowed in my household
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Alpine615

Hey Matt, it's been a while! What are you thinking for replacement fuel lines? Are you going to re-use Harold's? Or go aftermarket?
1980 Runabout

r4pinto

The end is near for Harold II so it is time I get my butt in gear and get this car back on the road. The goal for this weekend is to remove the timing belt & put a new one on, install the new distributor, rebuild & reinstall the carburetor, replace the fuel pump & all the fuel lines, change the oil, clean the interior, swap the tires from the 77, and adjust the exhaust pipe on the back. I have a little more than two days, as I am gonna be working on the car all I can from the moment I get home tonight until there is no more light Sunday. When I get done the car will run and will be ready for the first drive on Monday morning.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

What to do... What to do... What to do...

Haven't really worked on the car much but today I walked around it & spotted a little hole in the left front fender. It's got rust in the usual places & while I have patch panels for the rear quarters I am thinking I might have to go ahead & replace the front fenders. Not too sure and for now I am gonna go ahead & finish polishing the car but more importantly I have to get it running. Hopefully tomorrow evening I will be setting the timing on the engine so I can index the distributor. We'll see what happens. Gotta decide if this car or Harold II is going to the Ohio Pinto meet.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Cool, I will let you know. It's the Holley 5200 carb with all the emissions junk connections. Ran really well before the fire, hopefully it will do the same after I get it all back together
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

78_starsky

what size/style carb?  i might have one that i can send you free for a parts carb if you need it.  I have to check to make sure that i have the carb from the 2.3 in the box of parts still. that was a nasty fire.

r4pinto

Sure will Thanks Bill! Just gotta get it all cleaned up & a carb mounted under the air cleaner. It's really nasty & parts have been soaking for 2 days.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blink77

Matt
Got your check today. If you need anything else that I might
have let me know.
Bill aka blink77

r4pinto

I got one thing done to the car today. It was sort of out of sync with what the car needs but what I went ahead & did was replace the wipers on the car. Over at Ollies Bargain Outlet they have off brand wipers for $2.99 each. I had got a pair for my 77 when in Carlisle & they worked pretty well so I went there & got a pair for the 80 as well. I would have just taken the ones off the 77 but they are a month and a half old, and if I drive that car in the rain I sorta need them lol.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

I started to demo the carb to clean it & that thing at the EGR port was so plugged up that I came to the conclusion that I needed to get a can of carb/parts cleaner to soak the parts in. One thing that I did not see inside was rust so I'm glad of that. I got parts soaking currently to take care of all the carbon & dirt that was inside & outside the carb. Needless to say it was supposed to rain all weekend so I did not even try to work on the car outside. At least I'm one step closer. I might go ahead and try to set the timing on the engine so I can install the replacement distributor, as well as the new plug wires.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Got paid today so now I'm going to get this car running, hopefully by the end of the night! When I get off work I am gonna get the cap, rotor & plug wires. I will also get some carburetor cleaner to rebuild the carburetor, as well as replace the fuel pump & hoses. Wow... that sounds like a lot on "paper" Maybe not running tonite but I'm gonna give it my best. Then I will drive the car around the block & sound the horn in front of the nosey neighbor's house & drive the car away.. Take that jerks!
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thanks to blink77 today was like Christmas for me & the Pinto. I got a big box today & in it was the air cleaner & air intake box. He told me I would be pleasently suprised abou what else was in there & all I can say is thanks!! Vacuum lines!!! YAY!!!!

I was so happy to see that in there that I went out to the car & installed them. It's so nice not to have to worry about figuring out where they hooked up since they are just the way they should be. There are still a couple other pieces the car will need to be right but at least it is getting closer.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Tested the radio hook up & so far so good. It appears that I have either bad wiring or just a dead speaker on the passenger side, as no sound. I'm gonna have to check in to it some other time but at least I know the radio works.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

After receiving a violation in the mail regarding the Pinto not being registered I went ahead & got to work on the car. The car has temporary tags on it so the violation was pretty stupid.

Anyways, I went ahead and worked on replacing the bad wiring in the engine compartment, but it was really hot so I went ahead an moved indoors to work on the radio. The car had a Sony digital radio in it but the right channel didn' work so I decided to install a different unit. In the garage I had a Kraco AM/FM weatherband radio, as well as a replacement radio bezel. I filed the bezel about 1/2 inch on each side & fit the radio. I also installed the blade terminals that will plug in to the speaker connections in the car. I lucked out & found a pair of Ford radio knobs in the garage tht look better compared to the Kraco knobs.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

I sure will Bill.

Thanks for ID'ing yourself on here so I knew who to thank properly lol.

I should be fine with the carb & actually have a couple plastic nuts. Managed to hang on to them from the 78 I used to have. The carb seems alright & I have a rebuild kit for it but will let you know for sure.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blink77

Matt
Let me know when you get the aircleaner and stuff.
If I'd have thought about it I could have sent you
the plastic wing nuts that hold it on. If you need a
carb I also have a good one off a 1980. If you need
anything else, let me know.
Bill

r4pinto

Haha... Not a bad idea... Only thing is I have family with the last name Murphy & they drive me nuts. That would be a reminder lol.

Now for the update on the car. It's been too hot to really do anything outside but the good thing is the wiring harness from Steve AKA Alpine615 has arrived. Thanks! Now I have started the painful process of fixing the fire damage. It's not an exact match in some sections so I'm having to mod it a little. It seems that there are some wires for extra parts that aren't on my car. No harm as the old wiring,although burnt to a crisp, is still able to be used as a template for anthing that needs to be switched. It's gonna be perfect once I get it all installed.! I also have an air cleaner assembly from someone in Michigan, who I don't know his username on here. Hopefully he can chime in on here & shed some light on the mystery lol. I'm also gonna be getting the radio ready to install in the car. Just gotta crimp some connectors & in it goes.

The radio is a kraco weather band radio an will work great until I part out the 77 & install the 8 track from her.

Future mods for this car include a/c, dual horns, and map light. Everything else is pretty much in the car! All I have to do is fix the rust outside & get her repainted. I'm leaning towards the robin egg blue since that was original but I'm not totally sure.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Pinturbo75

i believe id name the car Murphy,,,, you know,,, as in murphys law.....:D
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r4pinto

Nope, no updates. The power is out at my house due to a series of heavy thunder storms so I haven't been able to touch the car recently. It's cool about the harness. Like I said I haven't been able to work on the car anyways.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Alpine615

Any updates??

Also, sorry I've been a complete jackass and not sent out the harness yet. Just too busy getting work done on the house so my parents can list it...and this past weekend was spent in Connecticut with the lady. I will tackle this tonight.

Hope all is well with you,
-Steve
1980 Runabout

r4pinto

Didn't do a damn thing to the car today. Just too hot out. When it hits 103 in Ohio there is a problem. I have a replacement radio I plan on installing in the car that is a little more period correct. I got it for free when I got the 8 track radio I won off ebay. It's not an 8 track but is a nice weather band radio. It will go in until I take the radio from Harold II & install it. The Sony digital radio that was in the car had sticky buttons & no working passenger speaker. I think it was a problem with the radio but will find out for sure after installing the replacement radio.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Oh, I will be there... The car will be there too. WOuldn't miss it for the world
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress