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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

73 Wagon Project - Brownie

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dave1987

Were they frayed or broken? Or just so oxidized they weren't conducting?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

75bobcatv6

my moms car did that. hers was a 78 CW was the wires farther in the fender well. Id look at that first.

dave1987

I have a question. What would cause my passenger side headlight not to come on until I smack the fender near the headlight?

I have replaced the bulbs on both sides and the socket on the passenger side and it still is acting the same....
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

So I went to my parents house today with the plan to clean out the cowl drains and seal the windshield around the gasket to stop all the water leaks,then change the valve cover gasket to stop the oil leak. It turned into a lot more!

I removed the fenders for better access to the cowl drains and inspection. I found what I was afraid of... Rust! Not surface rust either, it had eaten into the car just below the cowl metal on both the passenger and driver sides. On the driver side it had started to go around to the firewall. Without hesitation I pulled out the sheet metal sheers and cut it all out. About four hours of work later I has welded patch panels into place, ran completely out of gas for the wire feed welder and seem sealed. All of the seams on both sides.

So what I was hoping to be a 6-7 hour day turned into a 12 hour day of battling rust! I will have pictues up soon hopefully.

I was hoping to bring Brownie home tonight but the passenger side headlamp is out. I bought some replacements and will put them in tomorrow though and drive her home! :D

Now the turn signals arn,t working on the 78... :(
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

DaleFortune

Dave, here is a Craigslist 1971 Pinto.  It's just across the river from Portland in a small town called Battleground.  $500 and I'll bet the guy is negotiable and just wants the car gone.  I'd love to have it but I've already got more on my plate than I can keep up with, so I hope someone here takes advantage of the Pinto.
http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/2231332872.html
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dave1987

I stopped by the parents house while in Boise returning some things at stores. The seal between the glass and the gasket is good, and the leak isn't as bad as it was before, but it's still leaking somewhere...

Next week I will have to pull the trim off again and check the bottom of the gasket where it meets the body, as well as pull the fenders out and check the cowl welds and seals, hopefully those are still okay.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Thanks everyone, comments and kudos are much appreciated. Although it may be a little bit before I feel the urge to work on her again, the major stuff is done and took a ton of stuff of my to-do list from when I first purchased the car.


Dale, I do live in Idaho! I paid $250 for the wagon from a gentleman by the name of Darrell in December of 2009. Nearly everything has been done on this car aside from rebuilding the motor and the rear axle, but the motor still runs strong with only 91k miles on it, and the axle will be swapped out for one of the same gear ratio but with only 25k miles. I can't do the axle swap until I get the 8" in my 78 Sedan though, since the 25k mile axle is currently on the 78.

My parents live in Milwaukie Oregon and keep eyes out for Pintos for me. Perhaps my dad will spot your station wagon and send me some pictures! :)

The city of Emmett hosts southern Idaho's largest car show every year in July after the cherry festival, it would be great to see you drop in if you are heading this direction some time during July!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

DaleFortune

Dave Great Work.  I'm curious:  Do you live in Idaho, your licenses plate looks like Idaho?  What did you pay for the wagon?   I live near Portland Oregon and I just got back from So. Calif. Lancaster, where I bought a rust free 1975 Pinto Squire Wagon (woodie) for $1,500 off Craigslist.  It is in excellent condition but needs various work done on the interior and some electrical.  I plan on switching it over to a 5 speed manual trannie as I restore it.  I am a woodworker by trade and I plan on replacing all of the plastic and aluminum wood with real Maple and Mahogany.
Keep up the nice work on Brownie!
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tinkerman73

Holy cow did you make a ton of progress. Major kudos to you! I cant wait to see updated photos and hear how the drives go! Sure wish I had the money to make progress like that on Dolly! All in due time I guess!
Jody Michielsen

dga57

Dave,
You may not have gotten much rest, but it sounds like you put your vacation time to good use!  Congratulations on getting so much accomplished!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

popbumper

Nice work Dave. You should be proud of your progress. By the time I am finished, I will also have what amounts to be a new car. I can't wait!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

dave1987

Yeah, I think I tried doing TOO much, because I was getting really frustrated towards the end. I was so sick and tired of working on that damn thing! lol

Today I went back to my parents house to clean up the garage, since I left it trashed.

While there I dumped a bucket of water (small amounts at a time) on the windshield to see if it was sealed up or not. NEGATIVE!!! It looked like a sprinkler was shut off and dripping when I opened the door! lol

So I opened the second tube of SRP Velocity urethane after cleaning the glass and the gasket while ensuring they were dry before application of the sealer. I reapplied the sealant between the glass and the outside gasket really well with some excess that I will remove next week after replacing the valve cover gasket again.

Here is a link to the urethane sealant/adhesive I have had used and am using on my Pintos with good success!

http://totalseal.shatrproof.com/products/ShatRProof/SRP-Velocity-/index.html


While there I stuck the PCCA white vinyl sticker on the rear window and put the rubber floor mats back into the car. Also tightened down the steering wheel bolt and put the horn button back on. Should be all finished except for the rear carpet and the valve cover gasket. Once those are finished next week I can start driving her again and get some nice pictures taken for you all!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

75bobcatv6

It would be nice to have a vacation, I would be able to get so much done lol . Im glad you got that far man thats alot of work to get done in a short time

dave1987

Last week as my "vacation" was surely a vacation from Jack In The Box,   but I spent nearly 15-16 hours each day, five days in a row, trying to   get Brownie's major stuff finished while I have my parents house to work   at. I stopped feeling physical aches and pains after the third day, I   think my body just got used to stretching and bending in odd directions   after that! lol
 
  I would post pictures but the site is being funky right now. So here's what I actually got done last week:
 
 
  Repaired rusted floors and cowl
 
  Replaced windshield
 
  Replaced rear window
 
  Installed rear defog system
 
  Replaced passenger area carpet
 
  Installed dash cap
 
  Insulated the roof
 
  Replaced rear shocks
 
  Replaced front and rear brake lines
 
  Replaced fuel pump
 
  Rebuilt the carburetor
 
  Replaced transmission mount
 
  Replaced motor mounts
 
  Replaced heater blower motor
 
  Tested heater core (and it passed)
 
  Replaced turn signal switch
 
  Replaced windshield washer pump
 
  Adjusted valves and points
 
  Replaced spark plugs and wires
 
  Completed cylinder compression check (all cylinders around 120 psi)
 
  Adjusted all linkages for the transmission
 
  Removed the sheered off bolts in the head for the alternator mount and replaced with new bolts
 
 
 
  Out of all of those, the MOST time consuming were the motor mounts, the   carpet, and everything with the heater box. The rest of it was fairly   easy.
 
  Chem-Dip is a GREAT solvent for cleaning carburetor parts. I soaked the   parts in it for four hours then removed them and cleaned everything off   with carburetor cleaner, finishing the cleaning process by blowing   compressed air through all of the passages.
 
  I have some good pictures of the windshield and rear window install   which I hope will help some members with windshield replacement.


The only thing I didn't get done was the rear carpet, which I could technically do here at the apartment.

After starting brownie up she's now leaking somewhere from the front of the motor. I believe it's the valve cover gasket around the front cam tower. The cover has a deep groove along the front at the top of the tower and I don't believe I put enough sealant there. I don't have any time this week to play with it, so before I drive her home I will have to wait for the new cover gasket to arrive (It's special order from Denver and the holiday didn't help any).

Sitting in her and driving her down the street is soo much different now! New carpet, new dash cap, working heater, no vibrations, and all the proper adjustments make her shift better. The rebuild carburetor makes her run smoother, and I can see out the windshield without any cracks in the way! It's like driving an entirely different car! :D
 
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Yesterday I finished the crazy stuff today I get to put it back together!

The windshield and back windows are replaced, floors repaired, and the heater core tested without any issues. Also installed new core hoses and cleaned up the inside roof.

Today I'm going to start with putting the headliner back in and reassembling the interior, then I can move onto under the hood. Here we go again!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

Sounds like you have your work cut out for you, Dave!  Good luck!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

I'm tired just reading it! lol. That's a lot of major stuff! :o
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

Got a lot of involved work done on the car today. I've decided not to install the hardened valve seats in fear of them falling out over time and completely trashing the motor.

I do now have a spare 2.0 head in great shape which I picked up at the junk yard this morning for $35.00 - everything including the camshaft. I will have pictures of it soon. The valves need lapped but other than that it's in GREAT shape aside from the #4 exhaust valve being adjusted with way to much clearance. I torn it down to nothing and cleaned it up really well with a wire wheel on the grinder and some engine brite.

Once the head was done and after having lunch with my brother and picking up my phone from repair, I started the real work on the car!

I got the carpet out and messed up my right hand middle finger in the process, which will make it a bit harder to turn a wrench. I didn't have any band aids at my parents so I stuck a cotton ball on the end of the finger and wrapped it up with electrical tape. lol. Kept it clean with a glove over it!

Once the carpet was out I began inspection of the floor pan(s). Rust on both sides, but only the right side has one soft spot which went through with the screwdriver test. It's about 1/2" long and 1/4" wide, in the center fold/channel. The big 4" x 2" metal plug behind the driver's seat in the floor pan popped out due to all of the moisture making the seem sealer weak. I need to clean off the old seem sealer and reinstall the plug.

Next was the heater/AC condenser box. Now THAT was NOT fun! I ended up cutting the hoses on the engine side because they were SO STUCK to the core that they wouldn't twist, even after I cut them! More rust found at the fresh air cowl hole. It goes through in one spot 1/4" circle. The paint and stuff is gone but the metal is solid!

Once I pulled the heater core out of the box (which isn't very easy to do on a factory AC car!), I moved to the windshield.

This car REALLY BAKED for half it's life! The windshield gasket wasn't pliable in ANY spots! It was like breaking plastic around the entire windshield just to get it free from the "gasket". The glass came out in one piece though! Regardless of the huge crack that goes from the passenger side bottom and across to the driver's side stopping just past the rear view mirror. The glass didn't creek or chip or flex, it's all in one piece surprisingly!

Here is the plan for tomorrow.

Pick up seem sealer for the floor and drop off the heater core for pressure test and sealing if necessary.

Back to the garage to clean up the remains of the windshield gasket and clean the window frame.

While waiting for my assistant to show up and help with the windshield, I will begin wire wheeling the floor, then weld up the hole in the passenger floor and attempt a repair on the cowl. Once the rust removal is done and welding finished, I can hit the metal with some rust inhibitor and then primer and paint it to protect.

By the time I'm finished with the floors and cowl the heater core should be ready to pick up. I'll go get that and then reassemble the heater/AC box and replace the blower motor (original one is TRASHED). Once it's all put back together, it should be good to be reinstalled.

While my assistant is changing the pan gasket on his thunderbird's transmission, I can install the heater box. Once that's done we can install the windshield together and I can seal it all up with urathene windshield sealant/adhesive.

It should be lunch time by then!

Once lunch is done I can drop the headliner and hang the new carpet padding on the inside roof. Once that's done it's time to reassemble the interior with the new carpet and dash cap!

We will see how much time is left in the day from there. It's pretty basic stuff from there on out. Valve stem seals, valve adjustment, motor and transmission mounts, rear shocks, washer pump replacement, and pull the stuck bolts out of the head for the alternator bracket.

Ugh, I'm tired just thinking about it.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

I picked up the head set kit from O'Reillys today and ordered the new valve seats.

The rear defog system arrived from Fred today and the windshield gasket arrived as well!

Just waiting for the engine mounts and the transmission mount to come in from O'Reillys as well. They were warehouse ordered and take a little while longer than the rest of my parts, to be shipped in.

The shocks didn't arrive next day like they were supposed to, we think that the place we ordered them from forgot to include them with my initial order, so I'm waiting for those to arrive as well.

Once the carpet arrives (which is the farthest away) I have everything ready to begin work and just have to wait for my vacation to start! :D


2-4-11 - Shocks, motor and transmission mount arrived today. Waiting on the valve seats, not sure if I will use them or not though. Carpet is scheduled to arrive Tuesday!


2-7-11 Still waiting for the valve seats to arrive, but I did get some information together. From my research, I should only need to replace the exhaust seats with hardened ones. The Intake should be fine. I called my machine shop and they said they will do the four exhaust seats for $75.00 as long as the head is clean and no carbon is present. Also about the transmission not liking third gear right away...I'm going to pull the valve body out for inspection and a good cleaning, and try notching the 2-3 servo like others seem to be doing (which apparently helps some.


2-8-11 Valve seats arrived! Also went by home depot to get some carpet padding to redo the roof insulation. I bought some tan carpet to use in the cargo area as well. Not a perfect color match but I plan to make a vinyl canvas to cover the cargo area with in the future.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Thanks Dwayne!

I picked up a good amount of the parts Saturday, just waiting for the transmission and motor mounts to come in from the O'Reilly's warehouse, might be tomorrow. Somehow the shocks got left off the order or lost in the store somewhere and they are supposed to call me tomorrow morning about what's going on with that.

The carpet left Georgia today, I'm guessing Friday or Monday when it comes in.

The dash cap overlay arrived this afternoon.

I had the shoulder belts remade and they are WONDERFUL! Easier to adjust and the elastic band that the belt hangs with is new, so the belts is held up along the headliner nicely now! Also found the buckle hanger/bolt cover at the junkyard today (from an early 70s thunderbird), so now both sides hang up and out of the way!

I also found a good blower motor! YAY! $35.00 from the junk yard, came out of a 73 Maverick. That sure beats the $114 for one from O'Reillys!

Just waiting to see when the defog system shows up from Fred. Should be sometime this week!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

Quote from: dave1987 on January 29, 2011, 02:58:02 AM
Good news! She doesn't leak as much anymore! :D Now just waiting until the 15th when I can start working on her major stuff!

Today my federal tax refund in, so I paid off some bills and loans and ordered parts for the cars.

Brownie is getting:


Transmission Vacuum Modulator
Windshield Gasket
Windshield Urethane Sealant/Adhesive
Carburetor Rebuild Kit
Cylinder Head Set
Wiper Blades
Windshield Washer Pump
Door Hinge Bushings
Front Brake Hoses
Rear Brake Hoses
Dash Cap Overlay
New Carpet


I will be going out to a yard in Caldwell in the next week or two, to pull the factory A/C blower motor and shoulder belt mounting bolt cover/hanger from some Pintos, I may have to pull the blower from a Mustang Mach 1 or early 70s Maverick if all else fails. Wish me luck!

Also, I'm going to try to get hardened seats installed on the 2.0 to make it actually last and run WELL on unleaded gasoline without any additives. Time will tell.


     Sounds like you've got a plan, my friend!  I wish you well!

     Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dave1987

Good news! She doesn't leak as much anymore! :D Now just waiting until the 15th when I can start working on her major stuff!

Today my federal tax refund in, so I paid off some bills and loans and ordered parts for the cars.

Brownie is getting:


Transmission Vacuum Modulator
Windshield Gasket
Windshield Urethane Sealant/Adhesive
Carburetor Rebuild Kit
Cylinder Head Set
Wiper Blades
Windshield Washer Pump
Door Hinge Bushings
Front Brake Hoses
Rear Brake Hoses
Dash Cap Overlay
New Carpet


I will be going out to a yard in Caldwell in the next week or two, to pull the factory A/C blower motor and shoulder belt mounting bolt cover/hanger from some Pintos, I may have to pull the blower from a Mustang Mach 1 or early 70s Maverick if all else fails. Wish me luck!

Also, I'm going to try to get hardened seats installed on the 2.0 to make it actually last and run WELL on unleaded gasoline without any additives. Time will tell.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Got the backup lamp on the passenger side working! :D Turns out it was the center pole on the bottom of the bulb, it was so mashed down it wasn't making proper contact, or shorting.

I put some foam insulation strip stuff I purchased at Home Depot to use around the doors on the body side. It's made for automotive doors, and has been working great on my 78 for the past three years. The original door seals are not really dry, they are still pretty pliable, just to compressed to seal properly. The door rattle has gone away, that's a plus. Forecast says rain for the next 4-5 days, we'll see how well it seals up!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Brownie this year, nearly exactly a year after I got her.

Delivered 12-10-10

Posted Picture 11-23-10

Almost looks the same! lol
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Got an order put together and ready to go on rockauto.com for when my tax refund comes in!

Brownie will be getting:

New motor mounts
2x new valve cover gaskets (one as a spare for later)
New valve stem seals

I have a blower motor on the way, should be here in the next week or so, and I already have a new wheel for it.



Also, I will be ordering a dash cap, carpet kit and windshield gasket off ebay!

Brownie should be styling and ready for summer fun by June! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

I picked up a dual cassette recorder from the thrift store today. $10.00, not bad at all!

Even better, it is the exact same one my dad uses, and what I was wanting! A Pioneer CT-W701R.

Now to start recording some of the music from my computer to tape! :D

This is the first part of my true home theater system, next up will be an amp/receiver with digital optical input and some nice tower speakers (which i may build myself).
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

The blue 78 did okay, not as nice as the wagon did last night, but then again the snow is packed down and slicker tonight.

Larry, I don't like driving the Pintos in the snow either, but it's all I have right now. I hope some day I will be able to afford the 3/4 ton 75 chevy w/4 wheel drive and won't have to worry as much.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

larjohnson

Dave:  When I was younger I chanced driving my little 71 trunk model in the snow, but I'm not so brave now.  My Pintos are tucked away for the winter.  Have a Happy Holiday Season.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dave1987

Thanks Dwayne! I found it rather amusing. We will see how well the blue pinto does tonight with the studded snow tires. I had to dig the car out of the snow about an hour ago, and with the help of a friend pushing we got it out of the parking space into one that the snow isn't as high.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

Pintos, much as we love them, make really lousy snow cars!  I learned that all the way back in 1974!  Glad you and Brownie are okay!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.