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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Project "Brown Ghost" 72 Pinto Sedan

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Carolina Boy

Be still my foolist heart! It looks pert good from way over here!!!!!!!!! :devil:
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

pintogirl

Ok, now that Knotts is over, and people saw my suprise (which I had to tell them what it was LOL) I can update my thread!

A bit after Hubby (Bob) agreed to go to Knotts, he decided that we should clean the Ghost up a bit before we went. He told me to take it around and get quotes on a new paint job. He wanted just the bare minimum, and to just shoot it white again for now. (I want to do more detail to it before going back to it's original color). So off I went. I ended up going with Maaco. They were the cheapest that I could find and it was around 360 out the door. I then decided to have them clear coat it so it cost me 400 even! It didn't come out to bad!!

Here are some before during and after pics!!






















Next step will be getting the seats re upholstered!!  I may go by our people tomorrow or Friday to get a quote!! Then once that is done, I will need to find carpet!!

You know I talk about how I want to bring the Ghost back to it's original color. I hate to say this, but the white is growing on me!!!  ;D LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on April 03, 2009, 10:44:44 PM
:lol: :lol: Too funny! :lol: :lol:

I've thought about personalized plates (actually my first Pinto did have a pair) but I gotta keep the old school blue-n-golds! 

The only reason I got to get personalized plates for this Pinto was because it already had the white plates on it! If it had the blue and gold, I wouldn't have!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

 :lol: :lol: Too funny! :lol: :lol:

I've thought about personalized plates (actually my first Pinto did have a pair) but I gotta keep the old school blue-n-golds! 
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

Very cool! I love the plates people get personalized for their Pintos. :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

That's awesome Kim.

Those will be cool on the Pinto.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Woohooo!! Look what came today!!!!



The notice came in the mail at noon today. I went to lunch with hubby then headed to DMV. Got there at little after 1pm. My number was 271, they were on 184!!!!!! :hypno: I finally got my plates at about 3pm!!! I figure 2 hours is better then waiting a week or 2 for an appt.! LOL Besides, having an iPhone makes it nice because I can surf the net while I wait.  ;D

Now I need to go put them on the Ghost!!!  ;D I was so excited to get the notice though, I was wanting to get them before Knotts!!! LOL ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dholvrsn

To me, old time sound would be listening to Top-40 in AM mono car radio or Panapet 70.

Although, moving ahead, but still in the good ol' days, listening to New Wave mix tapes and their ilk on the auto-reverse Sanyo in the Pinto that I had all the way through the "80s.
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
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'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

blupinto

I'm bringing my jumper cables too! lol. And my fire extinguisher. Ol' Wildfire might take her name to heart! She's already had one episode with her previous owner.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on March 29, 2009, 09:22:30 PM
It's like you have The History Of The Car Stereo in Brown Ghost! lol. Your ipod is pretty.


        Some Carolinaboys are so silly...  :lol: You gotta love 'em!

That is what I was kinda going for with the adapter situation. LOL Old meets new!!! LOL Won't that be a kick to see at Knott's??? We are bringing a battery jumper with us to jump the car if we run the battery down. That is if we run the radio that much!!! I think it would be a hoot to play some 8 tracks too!!! LOL

That is the purple iPod my son bought me for my Birthday a while ago!! It was the most expensive thing he has ever got me!!! I was really thrilled when he gave it to me, he knew purple was my favorite color too!!! He did take my older square version iPod in return though!! LOL Guess you can't have it all!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: dholvrsn on March 29, 2009, 09:17:34 PM
Did all those adapters kill fidelity much?

I'd think I'd put a jack discretely on the under side of the 8-track and do some wiring so that the iPod plays into the bases of the first audio transistors of the 8-track.

I did something like this back in the '80s getting a Walkman knockoff to play on a '47 Studebaker radio. Of course, I had to go through the grid of the first audio tube.

You know, I can't tell you if it killed the fidelity any!! LOL I only have 2, 4 inch speakers located in the rear quarter panel peices. Sound isn't that great to begin with!! LOL  I still need to add the EQ Booster and a couple of 6x9s. This set up will be ok for me because I'm not to concerned about people hearing my radio outside my car!! LOL Just want it to sound ok to me with a bit more volume. I have also out grown my "got to have bass" days!! LOL Now just loud and half way decent sound is good to me!!

Kinda funny about my current set up. With the speakers I have and the 8 track player. I has a sound of old time (wonder why?? LOL) music, just like I used to listen to in Grandpa's motorhome!! LOL It sure brings back memories!!!  ;D

I'm also no good with trying to connect things like you mentioned. I know they sell a thing one can ad to their AM radios, but you need a little knowledge in that area. All I know how to do is hook up speakers and amps. Pretty basic stuff!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

It's like you have The History Of The Car Stereo in Brown Ghost! lol. Your ipod is pretty.


        Some Carolinaboys are so silly...  :lol: You gotta love 'em!
One can never have too many Pintos!

dholvrsn

Did all those adapters kill fidelity much?

I'd think I'd put a jack discretely on the under side of the 8-track and do some wiring so that the iPod plays into the bases of the first audio transistors of the 8-track.

I did something like this back in the '80s getting a Walkman knockoff to play on a '47 Studebaker radio. Of course, I had to go through the grid of the first audio tube.
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
-----
'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

pintogirl

Today ended up being a very windy day, so I didn't get my radio installed, course hubby not bringing the 8 track home had somehting to do with it too!! LOL I decided to test the 8track to casssette adaptor to iPod adapter in the 8 track player I have in the car now. Thought I should make sure it would work before I install an 8 track radio in the bezel. If it didn't I would have installed one of my old cassette radios instead.

Well it worked!!! I was able to listen to my iPod threw all the adaptors!! LOL Heres I pic! Not to good of one because I took it with my iPhone!! LOL



The only thing bad about this set up, is I can't put the car in park with the cassette adapter in the 8 track player! LOL It's going to be nice to have the 8track in the radio itself. Just need to get hubby to bring it home! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

Carolina Boy

Why yall polishing nails?? We just hammer them in the wood and paint over. :drunk:

CB
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

phils toys

I have had to buy nail polish for work ..... We use it to mark the timing on the printing press  , when the unit is not in use  we disengage it  with the timing marked  saves alot of time. nail polish is the only thing that holds up to the gear oil in the unit.
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

blupinto

It's OK Chuck. Tell 'em you're buying them for your Buttercup.  ;)
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: discolives78 on March 27, 2009, 11:22:03 PM
The nail polish looks better than expected  :hypno:
When I painted mine, my colors were too 'primary' I would have liked the colors you use.

Is it ok for guys to shop for nail polish? ??? It's for the car honest...

Chuck :afro:

LOL, would you like me to buy you some and ship it to you? LOL  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

discolives78

The nail polish looks better than expected  :hypno:
When I painted mine, my colors were too 'primary' I would have liked the colors you use.

Is it ok for guys to shop for nail polish? ??? It's for the car honest...

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

blupinto

One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Chuck your radio sounds like it is going to be great!!  I'm going AM Radio with 8 track below dash, and hopefully EQ Booster below the 8 track. Then going from 8 track to cassette adapter, to cassette auxiliary adapter for the iPod!! LOL Old tech meets new tech!! LOL Hopefully it all works as planned!!!

Ok, I actually have a couple of pics to show!!! I took this....


And did this....


It doesn't look all that bad!!!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

That "something" must be tickling your arm something awful, Kim! What... did you buy that yellow '71 in Livermore?!?... Will I be as green as the Green Machine?!? lol.  :P
One can never have too many Pintos!

discolives78

Quote from: pintogirl on March 18, 2009, 10:38:34 PM
That's ok, I figured you were just being like the guy's and getting us confused with each other!!!!!!! LOL :lol:  


I am getting better at telling you two apart, Becky (or is it Kim :tgif:) Just kidding! ;D

Becky=Brown Pinto
Kim=  Brown Ghost

I'm going 'old school' with my radio too. My CD player in the car is on it's way out, it doesn't like to give cd's back, and when they get stuck the radio doesn't work, and I'm just tired of taking it apart over and over again. I tuned up my auto stop cassette analog 2 knobber (from 78squirewagon) and cleaned the equalizer CarolinaBoy sent me. I was going to put it in the car today, but we woke up to a dusting of snow, and for being in the middle of the desert, it was kinda frigid. So I opted to stay indoors and dub music from 8 track to cassette and cd to cassette.

Remember: It's not illegal to duplicate material you have purchased for your own personal use, like changing media so you can play it in a different device, or saving on your computer to put on your MP3. It is illegal to duplicate for distribution, whether compensated or not.

That is why you don't get to hear the whole song in most of my videos, and I give credits to authors, It's not a duplication of the song for it's sake, it's just an example of what you would find and how my equipment works. You know, "a bear in it's natural habitat, a Studebaker-WAKA-WAKA" :laugh:  This is just a stop-gap. Have cassette player, need music. I'll do a short photo essay about installation for my project thread in a few days! ;D   If you don't see it here by, say midnight tomorrow, remind me so I can do it Sunday! :lost:

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

pintogirl

Well, I figured I'd better do a little update!!

Not much going on with the Ghost. Today I spent most of the day polishing the chrome!!! I also put some 'back to black' on all the black trim. Trying to get her somewhat shiny for Knotts!!!

I still need to do the radio and booster install and depending on what goes on this weekend, I will try to do it. If all else fails I will work on it on next Thurs. or Fri.!!

Can't wait for Knotts!!! Can't wait to get what is up my sleeve out!! LOL

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on March 18, 2009, 10:13:38 PM
Sorry Kim. That probably should've been in Baby's thread.  You should come down here and give me sewing pointers! lol. Funny how we have parallel Pinto adventures. Only one more month...! ;D :tgif:F.F.

That's ok, I figured you were just being like the guy's and getting us confused with each other!!!!!!! LOL :lol:   

I knew you were just sharing you experience on the headliner topic!!! No big deal!! I will share my thread with the Baby and you!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

That, my friend, is an excellent idea! She has worse-than-Frankenstein stitches already! lol.
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Sorry Kim. That probably should've been in Baby's thread.  You should come down here and give me sewing pointers! lol. Funny how we have parallel Pinto adventures. Only one more month...! ;D :tgif:F.F.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: blupinto on March 18, 2009, 10:05:54 PM
>:( Headliners!  >:(

       Today I got a bug up mt you-know-what and decided to sew the part of the headliner that's had its threads disintegrate. When I bought Baby in November '08 She had the littlest of parting (maybe an inch). But over 200 miles later (it's warm here!) the 1 inch parting became half a foot, then eventually two feet. Now I know I have curved needles in this Crackerbox Palace but naturally I can't find my sewing kit. Long story (hopefully) short I had to buy the supplies and got to work. I was getting to the end of the project when the needle eye caught and rrp! the original threads pulled from the white muslin (?) strip that the metal ribs go through so now that part of the headliner, while resewn, now sags.  >:(

Just take your curved needle and sew the headliner back to the bar!! You may end you with some "Frankenstien" stitches, but it may be better then a sag!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

 >:( Headliners!  >:(

       Today I got a bug up mt you-know-what and decided to sew the part of the headliner that's had its threads disintegrate. When I bought Baby in November '08 She had the littlest of parting (maybe an inch). But over 200 miles later (it's warm here!) the 1 inch parting became half a foot, then eventually two feet. Now I know I have curved needles in this Crackerbox Palace but naturally I can't find my sewing kit. Long story (hopefully) short I had to buy the supplies and got to work. I was getting to the end of the project when the needle eye caught and rrp! the original threads pulled from the white muslin (?) strip that the metal ribs go through so now that part of the headliner, while resewn, now sags.  >:(
One can never have too many Pintos!

larjohnson

pintogirl:  No I have no idea where to find the new rubber.  Yes, I do have the trunk model.  It's the trunk model from Washington State Reed had for sale.  I had it shipped to Muncie, Indiana (Home of Close Encounters and the TV show ARMED AND FAMOUS)(By the way I personally met most of the celebrities from this show).  It's a great little trunk model, it's exactly like the one I had in High School, many moons ago.  I love the car, and am enjoying it a lot.  You may want to check my thread out, restoring my 1971 trunk model under projects.  It's located near yours.  I have some of my restoration pictures already on the thread.  It's coming along quite nicely.  If I do find a place to purchase the window rubber pieces, I'll let you know for sure.  I'm not sure if my windows will have to come out, if they do, I could see myself having to replace it.  Anyway, great little Pinto you have there, hope you enjoy it.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!