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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Pintosopher

Becky ,
Probably another Pinto.

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

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blupinto

The other day after running around town in Baby I noticed after I parked her she made boiling-water noises in the radiator area. Today I bought a thermostat and gasket and will be installing them tomorrow. Meanwhile things are starting to come together for the Fab Fords thing. I wonder what Miss Pintogirl has up her sleeve... ;)
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

I'm no mechanic, hubby is, but if your mechanic friend seems to think it will be ok, then I wouldn't see a problem driving it! He is there to hear the noise and if he thought it was something real bad, I'm sure he would advise against driving it! If you say the sound is going away, then I would be lead to believe that the Lucas stuff his working. I know when a 80's period VW Rabbit or Jetta sits for a while, when first started they will tap. They just need to be driven for a bit for things to clear up!!

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

After what I've already done for her I've convinced myself I can do this.  Thank you for the vote of confidence.

The problem now is, the Rodeo's down so Baby is the only transportation for now. What can happen if I run her before I get the work done?

It was my neighbor/mechanic who turned me on to Lucas oil stabilizer. He swears by it. He has a mobile mechanic business and he himself worked on cars since he was 14. That's not to say the Lucas oil is the answer, but that's why I tried it.

The tapping noise is almost not heard til I accelerate, which is a change from when it tapped all the time. A change for the better?
One can never have too many Pintos!

Pintosopher

Becky,
I did some reading up on the Lucas Oil stabilizer. It's not likely to help much unless your lifters are worn out and bleeding pressure down to allow them to not hold adjustment. It's primarily for Engines with worn rings and valve guides that consume too much oil. Regarding the cam lobes look at the portion without the "Hump" and if you see chatter marks or scoring grooves ( Not smooth shiny metal) then it's too late to save the cam and followers. Then it's decision time after you look into the Lifters and oil supply at the head. If you have no scoring or chatter marks, then you still need to remove those lifters and verify oil pressure to them. If that's OK then you might get by with new lifters if the followers haven't beat up the Valves tips.
Jump In , it's all a learning curve, and you'll be able to help someone else down the road. ;)
Best wishes ..
Pintosopher

Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

blupinto

(hands clamped on head) AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol.

Ok time to consult Jerry and the books!

How long do I give the Lucas oil before I know it's not sticky lifters?
One can never have too many Pintos!

Pintosopher

You Know,
You may be right about no Spray bar on the 2.3L. It's been awhile since I had one opened up. But the 2.3l Does have 4 cam towers , maybe the extra oiling comes from these. But if this motors knockin' your right, something ain't getting oil pressure.

Check out those lobes, followers and look for loose ones when the engine is at TDC for the Compression stroke of that cylinder.

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

71pintoracer

If I'm not mistaken, isn't the spray bar only on the 2.0? I've never seen one on a 2.3. The early 2.3's did not have a groove in the center journal, that was another cause of cam failure. Way back then we used to machine a groove in the new cam. Finally Ford caught on and since then all new cams (even aftermarket) have the groove. Also, the 2.3 is hydralic so there is no adjustment. If it's tappin' something's wrong!  :(
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

Pintosopher

Becky,
After removing the ( stock ,if you have it ) air filter  assy, label those plug wires with the cylinder # remove over to the left side (distributor) if you still have the timing belt cover, that's coming off too. There may be an EGR tube that interferes with the back of the cam cover, by the firewall cowl, it needs to move a bit. 8 bolts to remove.
If you see a lobe that is scored then it's time for a cam change with lifters and followers Plus a new spray bar. This can be done in the car, but the motor has to be lifted to allow clearance for the cam to come out over the radiator.
  It's also a good time to change those cam bearings too.

I've abbreviated some of the operation as it has a lot of steps.

:surprised: :look:**** The real important thing to do before you disassemble anything in the cam area , ( providing you don't see a scored or flattened lobe ) is to actually look at the spray bar while someone cranks the engine. There should be a spray from a hole over each lobe. If everything is getting oil then you have to identify how many lifters and followers have excessive clearance****.
It's possible to have multiple seized lifters and that translates into too much lash/ clearance at the follower where it touches the cam lobe. If that's the case, you would still need to remove the lifters and verify oil pressure in the bore where the lifters sit. This has to done without ANY followers installed to avoid engine damage while turning over the engine (**as a precaution with the timing belt off only*)
I'm assuming all the lifters are able to be removed with the cam in Place.

If you find plugged orifices in the lifter bores, it's a crapshoot that you can clear the plugged port. Removing the whole cylinder head with all of its procedures is the next phase.

And we stop here, You now have to decide , if it's plugged up, there no way of knowing how bad the oil supply issue is in the block and head.

Rebuild the Engine to assure that any future issues won't crop up. Or replace the engine with a rebuilt or  good used engine.

This is a diagnostic procedure, with solutions provided as you move through the process. It's not pretty but it is reality. I personally went through this on my 74 and the engine was cored out for exchange.

  Good luck , I hope it's not worst case scenario.

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

pintogirl

Quote from: pintosopher on March 13, 2009, 05:05:42 AM
Becky,
If the lucas oil doesn't quiet the lifter on your 2.3L , you may have a spray bar for the cam that's plugged up. The bad thing is, if it's not dealt with soon enough, the cam will wear out beyond the Lifter Hydraulic range of adjustment. (flat cam syndrome) Only pulling the cover can confirm this. If the oil wasn't kept clean ,the early 2.3 litre would starve the cam for oil and wear out the lobes and followers.
This assumes that your car (what year?) has the 2.3L motor. Kim's car is a 2.0L engine , totally different , and requires valve adjustments every 5K to keep it quiet and running well. If your car is a '74 with a 2.0L motor, then you need to have a manual valve adjustment too. In that case the Lucas oil won't quiet the engine down.

Sounds confusing, but the stock 2.3l engines have Hydraulic lifters to keep the maintenance to a minimum, BUT you must change the oil religiously to save that cam and lifters from oil starvation by sludge buildup.

My first pinto was a 74 with a 2.3L and I lost the cam and followers to poor maintenance by previous owners. Sounded like a diesel but ran poorly.

Follow up on this ASAP.

Pintosopher

Yah, Becky has the 2.3!  Becky your are a lucky bummer!! I wish I didn't have to adjust lifters every 5000. Changing the oil every 3000 is alot easier!! LOL Oh well, guess I get to relive my VW Bug days again!! LOL ;D

Thanks for the info Pintosopher, I was just looking at the book, not really reading the 2.3 info, just saw a pic of them adjusting the lifters on it. That was probably done for a worse case senario!! 
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Thank you dear Pintosopher!  :tgif: ;D ;) :)
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Baby is a 2.3 '74. I cannot account for her previous owners (I think I'm the third owner.) I do know the lady who sold her to me added a bottle of No-Smoke to her already-to-capacity crankcase (bad!)

     After all the stuff I tore off Baby the valve cover should be relatively easy, right? But I will enlist the help of Jerry to identify the spray bar and see if there's "flat cam syndrome" going on. I don't know nuthin' about cams! lol.
One can never have too many Pintos!

Pintosopher

Becky,
If the lucas oil doesn't quiet the lifter on your 2.3L , you may have a spray bar for the cam that's plugged up. The bad thing is, if it's not dealt with soon enough, the cam will wear out beyond the Lifter Hydraulic range of adjustment. (flat cam syndrome) Only pulling the cover can confirm this. If the oil wasn't kept clean ,the early 2.3 litre would starve the cam for oil and wear out the lobes and followers.
This assumes that your car (what year?) has the 2.3L motor. Kim's car is a 2.0L engine , totally different , and requires valve adjustments every 5K to keep it quiet and running well. If your car is a '74 with a 2.0L motor, then you need to have a manual valve adjustment too. In that case the Lucas oil won't quiet the engine down.

Sounds confusing, but the stock 2.3l engines have Hydraulic lifters to keep the maintenance to a minimum, BUT you must change the oil religiously to save that cam and lifters from oil starvation by sludge buildup.

My first pinto was a 74 with a 2.3L and I lost the cam and followers to poor maintenance by previous owners. Sounded like a diesel but ran poorly.

Follow up on this ASAP.

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

discolives78

Sorry to hear about your technical problems! I have Comcast, and it's been pretty weird/slow lately too.


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

blupinto

Yes indeedy she os off and running! Thank you all for your support and help and kind words. Because I've never adjusted lifters or whatevers I'm not gonna touch those just yet! My neighbor/mechanic told me to give the Lucas oil a little while if it's the lifters that are sticking. If the oil doesn't do the trick, then plan B will happen (lifter adjustments I guess!) lol.
One can never have too many Pintos!

discolives78

So you're all up and running now?  That's soooooo awesome!!!!!!!

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

pintogirl

Awesome!!   Your tapping may just mean it needs it's valves/lifters whatever they are called, lol, adjusted!! Hubby adjusted mine and she is quiet as a mouse now! LOL, ok not a mouse, but she is quiet! Just need to figure out how to stop the vibratie exhaust manifold tin noise at certain RPM's!!! LOL 
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

 :lol: No more clattering!

I'm convinced it was the fan blades hitting the hose. I made darn sure the blades were nowhere near the new hose! The cover is on good and tight. Now Baby has just the tapping noise in her upper engine compartment. Hopefully the Lucas oil will work that out soon.

It looks like Baby is transportation #1 now- the Rodeo's brakes are bad.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

If your car still deisels when you shut her off, just leave her in Drive, or Reverse! That will make it shut down fsat with no embarrasing deiseling!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Sparks? Scary! My rubber spacers are intact and rubbery (as opposed to spongy and crumbly!) And I notice it only clatters when I'm idling or the car "diesels" when I shut her off. I've pulled her hose off and removed the timing belt cover. So far I see no wear. When I get the new hose I'll connect it and see, or hear, what happens with the cover off.
One can never have too many Pintos!

phils toys

yea,I could tell it was the fan hitting something.  just before that i did have another noise  that cam from the timing belt cover being to tight  the cover has rubber spacers in it and they had deteriorated and i did not realize it  until i herd the noise and was sparks. i made new spacers from some hose that slid over the bolts they were just a bit longer than the ones  that were there. and put the cover back on.
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

blupinto

Phil- was the noise you heard on yours a loud clattering noise?

Yeah, I'm glad too it was just a hose!  ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Shewwww, I saw your sad face first and I thought for sure something real bad happened!! Glad it was just the hose!!!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

phils toys

that almost happned to me when i replaced my upper hose.but i cought the noise befor it cut the hose. to solve the problem  i rotated the fan till it hit the hose then losened the hose clamp on the radiator and twisted the hose  untill it was far enough ayay.  good luck.
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

blupinto

You know, sometimes I am grateful to be so close to WallyWorld...
My wayward nostril (because it's possessed! long story.) wouldn't stop sneezing- therefore chronically running, I ran out of toilet paper and thus had to go to WalMart to restock. I opted to take Baby. Maybe this is a good thing in disguise. WallyWorld is only about a mile away. Before I pulled into my stall (interesting choice of words... Pinto, stall,.. get it?) I smelled the unmistakeable smell of coolant. I opened the hood... it was all over the place.  >:( I'm thinking... crap, I need a new radiator. This was all I needed. I bought another bottle of antifreeze and my other items and made it home after I replenished the coolant. I know this is risky and all, but the radiator wasn't missing all that much so I opted to go for it. After I got home (it was dark now) I took a flashlight to find the source of the leak. It was the upper hose! Apparently the fan was clipping it. All this time I've been looking for the source of her clattering and didn't see the fan hitting the hose. I certainly looked hard enough. I'm just thankful this happened only a mile away! Tomorrow: new top hose. 
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Those would be the ones!

     So what's keeping Hubby from saying "Drive South"? Tell him there's interested parties wanting a rare glimpse of the legendary Brown Ghost! lol.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Woooooooo Hooooooo!!!! You mean these? LOL

Congrats on the Baby finally going and getting back up the hill!!!!! I'm so excited to hear of this great news!!!!


Oh, and I"m still working on hubby. Things just arn't going in that direction yet! But I wont give up!!! LOL
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

 ;D :lol: :D :) :-* :happy_bday: :drunk: :2fast4u: :laugh: :police: :hypno: :read: :smile: :fastcar:

Kim, did you send me some Pinto love? C'mon now..

SHE RUNS!!!!!!!!

Kim, I need to borrow your great emoticons.

This morning, after a rough and kinda scary start The Baby ran! I didn't even have to feather the pedal once the engine was going. Then it was off to a series of tests... will she make it down the street and back? Will she make it up the hills she previously stalled at? Will she make it to the gas station and back? Will she complete a 14-mile round trip to my friend's place? YES!!!!! She passed with flying colors! She didn't stall once. I was so happy and so proud I was in tears and I'm not ashamed! I guess I had overfilled her radiator because at my friend's house the overflow tube spat out coolant. She does "diesel" a bit sometimes when I turn her off and she makes a most dreadful clanking sound (the noise that appeared after the timing belt was replaced) but she starts right back up. Now there's just some little things to do before the 19th. Oh. Did I mention that it looks like we'll make it to Knotts!!! Thank you THank you Thank you all for helping me and Baby get to this point. Right now my happiness knows no bounds. 
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blupinto

Got the fuel pump installed- no mean feat. There was so little room and I needed a third arm! I got covered in gasoline and still reek of it now. But the pump is in. In the process of getting the new pump in the area I accidentally pulled a couple wires so off to Jerry's I go tomorrow. Also check for leaks. Then I'll see if the Baby will fire up. Foo.
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discolives78

I change my fuel filter about every 5000 miles (2-2 1/2 years). My tank was dry when I got the car. I didn't clean it, went thru a fuel filter about every month, and rebuilt the carb after about a year, haven't had any problems since with clogged filters (often causes bucking on acceleration, and need to 'feather' the pedal). You don't really want to be messing with the fuel filter more than you have to, the carb body is much softer than the threads on the filter, and if you're not careful, you can strip the hole.

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.