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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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pintogirl

Quote from: dave1987 on February 23, 2009, 02:07:00 PM
Add the what? lol

when you tried demonstrating it changed your "and the" to a link. :P

EDIT: I found the button to do what you are talking about. Adding the [ U R L ] and the [ / U R L ] at the beginning and end of web addresses. All without spaces of coarse. :)

LOL, Yah, didn't even notice that! LOL I thought I checked everything before I actually posted!! Well, you fixed it for me and put what the "and the" was all about!! LOL

Sorry for the threadjack Becky!!!

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

Wha...? :read: ???  ??? :drunk: :sleep:

I'm obviously computer illiterate. and the ???


Anyway, Dave, are you talking acetone as in nail polish remover acetone or cp acetone?
Also, can I use a long-handled brush (wire) to scrub the stuff out? Because of my elbow injury I'm not supposed to grasp, push, pull, lift, blah blah blah with my left arm.

Money's really tight right now. I'm getting disability but the Governator has effectively cut my salary.
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

Add the what? lol

when you tried demonstrating it changed your "and the" to a link. :P

EDIT: I found the button to do what you are talking about. Adding the [ U R L ] and the [ / U R L ] at the beginning and end of web addresses. All without spaces of coarse. :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

I wonder if your globules are water? I know water does bubble up at the bottom!


Kinda off topic, and forgive me if this makes anyone mad, but, did you all know if you add the and the   at the beginning and end of your links, they will become clickable??? I'm just saying this because it is a lot easier to click then to copy and paste!!!  ;D Ok, I know, I"m being lazy!!! ;D

See, like this!!!
http://www.sscenterprises.net/4images/details.php?image_id=89

It also opens the link in another tab, so you can just go back to the original topic easier, them being sent away from it!!!! ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dave1987

When I did mine, I just removed the filler neck (which you will have to do anyway), stuck some vinyl tube in there, connected to a fluid pump (bought at auto parts store), and pumped it until it came out consistantly, then disconnected the pump and let the vacuum of the running fuel pull all the gas out.

Once the tank was empty, I dropped it with the support of a floor jack underneath. Once done, you can tip it over to get the remaining fuel out.

After it's empty, flip it over, and use a brass drift (no sparks) and hammer to turn the fuel sender locking ring, alternating tabs from one side to the other. Once the ring is loose, you should be able to just pull the sender out.


While you have the sender out, inspect the tank for rust, and check the screen at the end of the pickup. If it is still intact, you are good. If not, you can google to find ideas on how to build a screen for it. I think a couple members here have had to do that.

If you find rust in the tank, fill it with a few handfuls of loose gravel and pour a couple cups of gas in the tank, seal it up with duct tape and shake the hell out of it for about 15 minutes. That should loosen up a majority of the surface rust. Then pour some acetone into the tank to remove any film of gunk at the bottom of the tank, and let it sit for about an hour, should be long enough to penetrate anything nasty. Use either acetone or chem-dip parts cleaner for this.

If you decide to have the tank boiled out at a radiator shop, you will need to re-coat the inside of the tank so it does not rust again. I hear that por15 is a God for this!



EDIT: I forgot to include, that you might want to check your vent valve and grommet while the tank is out. It should be above where the filler neck goes in, with some hose coming off of it. I replaced my vent valve, grommet, and the hose on it while I had mine down, as it turned out that it was the source of my gas smell in the car after filling the tank full.

You can find the valve and grommet at sscenterprises.net. You will also need a new fuel sender o-ring. Here are links to the parts you will need.

http://www.sscenterprises.net/4images/details.php?image_id=89


http://www.sscenterprises.net/4images/details.php?image_id=90


http://www.sscenterprises.net/4images/details.php?image_id=85
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Thank you Chuck and Dave for the tint info. Thank you srt for the humor! Kidney stones are no fun from what I gather but if these globules were kidney stones they would never hurt. They look like oil balls at the bottom of the cup with bits of sediment rolled in them.

         So do I need a special tool to remove the sending unit or can the right wrench do the job safely? Or (better still) Is there a way to drain the tank without siphoning or drilling a hole in the bottom?
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

The discolored fuel sounds like it's bad, or over diluted with additives. The gas from my 78's tank looked like that when I added fuel stabilizer to gas that had sat for five years.

If not that, then maybe srt is right... ;) :P

My 78 Sedan came with factory tint, although it doesn't even look like it has it on it. It has the tint strip across the top of the windshield, but the rest of the windows look clear. I do notice a slight color change when I have a window rolled down part way though, so I know it's there. That and the "build sheet" that I requested from Ford a few months ago states that it was on the car when sold.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Srt

Quote from: srt on February 23, 2009, 03:42:49 AM
"..... What does the cloudy globule pee-color mean?......"

:lol:it has kidney stones?

i'm sorry. i have had a recent bout with those and i couldn't resist.  maybe a little humor is the prescription that is needed to make the task go a bit smoother.
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Srt

"..... What does the cloudy globule pee-color mean?......"

:lol:it has kidney stones?
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

blupinto

How rare is factory tinted windows, at least in '74 models?
One can never have too many Pintos!

discolives78

The 'sun x' is the factory tint. on cars with optional 'tint' back in the day, it wasn't nearly as dark as the tint film applied today, it usually had more of a greenish glow to it. if you open the door with the window up, and look thru the glass and then at the sky around the glass, you should see a different color.

Chuck

p.s. make sure your windows are clean before trying this.


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

blupinto

Do I need a special tool for removing the sending unit from the gas tank?


I'm curious: In my 1974 Pinto brochure I see that tinted windows are recommended for cars with a/c. The car where this is said didn't look like it had tinted windows. I'm looking at my car now and it looks like her windows are dark. It's overcast outside. I went out and looked at the stamp on her pass. side quarter window and it says Carlite tempered sun-x. Is this factory tinted glass?
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

I would replace the fuel entirely after Cleaning it out.

blupinto

Quote from: discolives78 on February 22, 2009, 08:28:52 AM
I mixed up the girls too! Clean out the tank and things should get back to normal (or at least further along). It should be one of the first steps considered when resurrecting an old car. I did it to my Pinto for the same reason, 4 fuel filters in two weeks.

Chuck

p.s. will be under the hood today

rrrrr....rrrrr....rrrr......w...w..w.w.w.waaaaaAAAAAA.......WWWWaaaaAAAAAAA....POW....wwwaaaaaAHHHHH....POW....wwwaaaaaAAAAHHHHH....POW :mad:
Did you plant a bug on the Baby, Chuck? Because what you just described was the sound coming from the engine compartment. What you didn't include was my pleadings (c'mon Baby! Dammit! Just once Baby! C'mon! !*&$#^!)

    THe filter thing: What a few of you suggested was what was suggested by this cute guy who visits across the street and knows the trials and tribulations of Baby and he said he might be able to secure one. I don't know if it's that bulb thing but Boyfriend (I call him that secretly. He's GORGEOUS! lol.) said it comes apart, so that might be what he's talking about. Hell, I won't mind emptying it out now and then if it benefits the car. Dropping the tank is probably less scary than replacing the timing belt for me, but it's up there.

   Now for an update: In spite of the BRAND NEW THIS MORNING fuel filter installed the Baby will not start. The fuel pump works- believe me. After I collected another sample of her gas I forgot to put the tube back on the filter and when I pumped the accelerator the gas shot all the way to the valve cover.

  THe sample: I collected about an ounce of her fuel and it sat in a cup for maybe 15-20 minutes. When I looked at it again it was really cloudy and had these oily looking globules (is that a word!?) rolling around with the sediment. The gas was pee-colored when collected, and was cloudy-pee colored at this point. The tank had had Sta-Bil, lead additive and fuel booster from before I brought her home to a few weeks ago. What does the cloudy globule pee-color mean?
One can never have too many Pintos!

TIGGER

My 73 that is in my avitar has a tank with a bunch of crud to it. I filled it up before I found out how bad it was.  I had to rebuild my carb and replace the fuel pump even before I could move the car from where it was stored.  After rebuilding the carb and changing the pump, I installed two filters between the carb and pump.  Shortly after bringing the car home, the fuel pump died again.  I replaced it with a new one this time and installed a filter before the fuel pump.  This seemed to work well enough to run the tank down to empty.  Now I am waiting for some time to drop the tank and take a peek inside.  I have a perfect spare to swap in if I need to. 

I would just hang in there and fix one problem at a time.  It may be frustrating at times but eventually you will end up having a car you can drive and trust.  I went thru the same issues with my crusing wagon.  It was supposed to be an easy fix but after I really got into it, it turned into more of a project that I anticipated.  I was on the verge of scrapping her because it needed so much work.  I stuck with it and am finally driving it.  All you need to do is get over the hump and you will end up enjoying the car.  Good luck
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

dholvrsn

If they're all in a series, the first filter will be the one doing all the filtering and clogging up. The others will be pretty redundant and useless.
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'80 trunk model. '17-on
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pintogirl

Quote from: dholvrsn on February 22, 2009, 12:40:43 PM
The first filter will just trap 99.9% of the crud while the rest in the series do mostly nothing.



Well, wouldn't that mean the carb would be getting nothing but clean gas? Or does that mean the first filter will catch all the crud and plug up, stopping gas flow??

Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dholvrsn

The first filter will just trap 99.9% of the crud while the rest in the series do mostly nothing.

Have you ever thought of doing something really old school, like put a sediment bulb in before the filter? Still prepare to empty that every few blocks until things clear up.
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
-----
'98 Dodge Ram 1500
'95 Buick Riviera
'63 Studebaker Champ
'57 Studebaker Silver Hawk
'51 Studebaker Commander Starlight
'47 Studebaker Champion
'41 Studebaker Commander Land Cruiser

pintogirl

That's ok that you get us mixed up guy's1!! We're Pinto Sisters!!!  ;D LOL


Becky, I would try getting a longer gas line hose, and then putting several cheapy plastic filters in line with each other. Then once you start seeing clear filters, just go back to you normal gas line and filter. So let's say put maybe 2 or 3 filters in line. That way what doesn't get caught by one, it will most likely get caught by the other. Even if you had to tie the gas line up to something for now, it would probably be a cheaper fix, for now! Or, at least I would think you would be able to drive her a bit more with more filters in line!!


I was just talking to hubby about you having problems with your car, he say's to send up here!!!! I think that would cost more then you pulling the tank yourself though!  ;D

Hopefully the money situation will turn around soon.
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

discolives78

I mixed up the girls too! Clean out the tank and things should get back to normal (or at least further along). It should be one of the first steps considered when resurrecting an old car. I did it to my Pinto for the same reason, 4 fuel filters in two weeks.

Chuck

p.s. will be under the hood today

rrrrr....rrrrr....rrrr......w...w..w.w.w.waaaaaAAAAAA.......WWWWaaaaAAAAAAA....POW....wwwaaaaaAHHHHH....POW....wwwaaaaaAAAAHHHHH....POW :mad:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

71pintoracer

oops, my bad!  ;) I tend to get you girls mixed up! Are you sure you're not twins?  :lol:
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

blupinto

Sorry you took one for the team Kim!

   I made that comment because I'm afraid I'm becoming maudlin about this whole thing. Kim's too nice to say that, and even if she did I'd be LMAO. So sorry for any misunderstanding overall.

      Well, send your tank guy over! lol. I hope he takes smile payments 'cause the cash flow is all dried up! lol. (it should be col, or crying out loud, but what's the use!) My fear is if I do drop the tank I'll have to replace seals and stuff. I would like to replace the sending unit while it's down but no mon no fun.

       As for reining Baby in, it's not hard to rein a dead horse (or at least a comatose one!) lol.
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Quote from: 71pintoracer on February 21, 2009, 09:29:36 PM
Thats just MEAN Kim!!!  :cheesy_n:
Becky, sounds like one of the pulleys hitting the timing belt cover, they tend to get bent pretty easy.
Say "I'm sorry" Kim or you're going to time out!  :lol:


Hey, I didn't say that, she said that to herself!!!! Me and Becky are Pinto buds, we only say that kind of stuff to each other in PM's!!!!!!!! LOL


I'm sad to here you are still having problems with your baby! Sure wish you were closer, I know a radiator guy that can clean out your tank!! Hopefully you can get it out and cleaned soon.

I have confidence that you will have the baby up and on it's hooves before to long!!!! Just keep on reining her in!!!  ;D

Kim
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

71pintoracer

Quote from: blupinto on February 21, 2009, 07:33:46 PM
Do you want cheese with your whine Becky?  :lol:
Thats just MEAN Kim!!!  :cheesy_n:
Becky, sounds like one of the pulleys hitting the timing belt cover, they tend to get bent pretty easy.
Say "I'm sorry" Kim or you're going to time out!  :lol:
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

blupinto

Do you want cheese with your whine Becky?  :lol:
One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

Yeah, I though about just buying a gross of the things but if there's that much metal particles in the tank I'll run out of filters before I run out of gunk. It looks like I need to drop the tank and at least empty it of everything. At this point I can't trust the Baby driving down the street- much less to Orange County and back.  :'(
One can never have too many Pintos!

dholvrsn

You should be happier. You know what the problem is and it's an easy repair.

Just keep a few filters on hand until the gunk clears out.

DGH
'80 MPG Pony, '80-'92
'79 porthole wagon, '06-on
'80 trunk model. '17-on
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'95 Buick Riviera
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blupinto

 :accident:

(this is my earlier euphoria coming to an unceremonious halt.)

My anticipation turned quickly to dismay when, upon turning Baby's key a disturbingly clattery sound erupted from her innards. It sounded like thin sheetmetal hitting more thin sheetmetal. I and a couple neighbors looked to no avail. Meanwhile the sound little by little faded away.


       On her very brief maiden voyage Baby wasn't accelerating as well as she should, but at least she didn't stall on the way up the hill- she faltered and stalled in front of my house. There's gas in the tank (treated with Sta-Bil). This was suspect because she felt like she was starving for gas. Perhaps she is. I changed that fuel filter a couple months ago and didn't get too far since. When I took the line that goes into the filter and what was caught in the collection cup? Surprise surprise... gas and sediment. Lots of sediment. I'm so bummed now.  :'( >:( :drunk:
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

For the ball joints, the clear sign to replace mine was the boots on them. Mine were torn open, shooting out all the grease I would fill them with onto the wheel well skirts, every time I hit a bump. No point in greasing ball joints if they are going to leak, right? If they arn't greased, they wear quicker, and ball joints are what hold your spindles to your control arms, and tires are mounted to your spindles....you get the point. :)

A good way to check for wear is to jack the front of your car up, then rock the tire in and out with hands on the top and bottom of it. If there is excessive movement, then they will need to be replaced.

If you have torn boots, your spindles will be COVERED in grease, like piled on. I scraped off grease piles 1/2" thick off the driver's side, and yesterday I scraped off grease piles an ENTIRE INCH THICK off the passenger side. I didn't realize the spindles were soo narrow, as the grease build up made them look a lot bigger!

Now my front suspension is nice and clean, and should make it easy for the alignment shop to work on! :D

I haven't had an alignment done on the car since the engine rebuild due to the ball joints. Les Schwab wouldn't give the car back unless the ball joints were replaced due to leaking grease boots.


Good luck on the maiden voyage, and I hope you don't have any unexpected events happen along the way!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

I love your emoticons Kim! The cheerleader ones really reflect how I feel right now. I can't keep the smile off my face!

      The Baby's probably always going to be a work in progress. THis was a major hurdle (aside from engine rebuild, ball joints  ::) etc.) Tomorrow I want to explore why Baby's heater hoses are looped (bad heater core I'll bet). To have a car that won't die on me on a minor incline will be so good. Did I mention SHE SOUNDS LIKE A PINTO!?! LOL!

         I want to thank everyone who gave me hope and suggestions. The people who share my Pinto Passion are a great bunch! (not that non-Pinto people aren't) but you all are the best!  :-*

              :drunk: ;D :tgif:
One can never have too many Pintos!