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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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blupinto

Hi Chuck. I hope you're feeling and getting better. What you're doing with your '78 is inspiring. However, I have a question: Where did you get that piece of wood with the Pinto script that was below the radio, and what are your plans for it?
One can never have too many Pintos!

dave1987

Good to hear you are feeling better! The car looks great and it sounds like you are "winter-fying" it well. :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Reed

Car is looking good!  Sorry to hear about your other troubles.
Looking for:  Rear and side window louvers for a 71 sedan, 15 inch aluminum slotted mags and tires (Ansen sprint style), and an Offenhauser dual-port intake for a 2000cc motor.

discolives78

Hello everyone!

I've been feeling pretty good for a couple days, and haven't spent much time posting because I've been working on the car. Here are some fresh pics!



Shiny!

got my choke fixed!



before and after. note the green wire holding the butterfly open on the before picture, that got me through the summer, but now it's in the mid 40s in the morning, so I got a second assembly and switched some parts, I had to pull the splined pin out and apply Loctite, and gently hammer it back in. It's been together for a few days and seems to be working and adjusted ok. note the blue plastic piece holding the rod to the butterfly in the second pic, I had to fabricate that from a piece of tube, it was either that or buy a rebuild kit.

Now back to the interior



front floorboards, pretty solid, just really dusty



back floorboards, some surface rust on the driver side

cleaned up and painted the driver side rear floorboard



I applied some rust converter before paint, but it didn't even change color! there are a few pits, but they aren't very deep and are barely noticeable after pain.  Good thing I found this, that might have turned into a hole in another 10 years!

And now for some really good news, because of my health problems I qualified for a program thru the State Department of Vocational Rehabilitation, They found me a job as an apprentice in an upholstery shop! I start next monday and will be in OJT for 3 months. I'm quitting my retail job because I just can't get out of bed early enough! I'm supposed to be there at 5:00 am most days, that means getting out of bed between 4 and 4:30. The only way I could get there on time was to stay up all night, which throws off my sleep schedule for weeks!

I've started 'weening' off Geodon and Trazodone, getting ready for med changes. I can still take Vistaril to slow me down to reasonable if I need it. Hopefully things are getting back on track!

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dga57

Hey Chuck!
I feel for you, man... getting to the bottom of a medical problem can be a real pain (no pun intended).  My wife was misdiagnosed with depression about 10 years ago by her primary care physician who then proceeded to try her on an endless array of antidepressants.  Some of them helped a little but, for the most part, things got progressively worse.  Finally, about 2 1/2 years ago, all the med changes resulted in a total nervous breakdown.  It was at this point she got her first psychiatric consult and was correctly diagnosed as being bipolar.  After several weeks of detoxing from the antidepressants, she was started on mood stabilizers and the results were dramatic.  Unfortunately, about a year later, just when she was feeling better than she had in years, she suffered a ponteen stroke which has effectively disabled her and ended her 24 year nursing career.  Interestingly enough, in spite of her physical limitations, the bipolar disorder is still very well controlled and her mood is generally optimistic. 
Just want you to know you are not alone.  As dave1987 pointed out, you have friends here who are willing to listen... probably more so than you would ever think possible.  Hang in there!  And, by the way, your car is looking sharper and sharper!
Dwayne :smile:
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75bobcatv6

Sorry to hear about your health mate, Bes suggestion i can give ya, get on their butt and Stay there till they get it figured out, Dont let em BS you into a drug that might not work, or doing something if they are not 100% Sure what they will give you will help. I work in the Medical field and have for 10 years. if you dont do anything they stick you with what the think might work.

turbopinto72

My son takes Stratera. He has ADHD ( has has it all his life ) and He is 23 now. He claims that it really keeps him focused and it improves his life. The doctor that prescribed it is a specialist and I trust her 100%. He has been taking this for about 4 years now ( he use to be on dexidriene ). I can tell you that from my experience it probably is a good thing. My 2c.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

dave1987

I'm sorry to hear about your health, but at least you are having it looked into and figured out by professionals instead of sitting around wishing things would be better and not doing anything about it. I have a few friends that do that and they want everything just to happen without ever taking personal action!

Keep yourself busy and happy and let the professionals figure all of the health problems out. It could possibly be the only way to stay out of depression and continue to be functional. Keep up the good work and don't let things get ya down, I'm sure there are a lot of us here willing to listen if you ever need to rant (myself included)!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

Ok, about the foil, the first pic of it on the vent is before it was "burnished", meaning rubbed down to securely place and attach it, I only did one edge of the vent for this picture, so the other three edges look a little sloppy from the model paint (I should use a q-tip and some paint thinner to clean that off before I do any more) I have spare vents, so it's ok, I think the edge on the foil itself looks kinda funky because I was sitting in front of the computer under flourescent lights, and the flash was on. by the time it was burnished and buffed, it was so shiny that I couldn't get a clear picture even with the flash off!

About my doctor appointment today, I don't know which doctor to believe anymore!  When I started having problems 3 years ago at work and keeping things together at home, they said I had bipolar disorder and heavily medicated me. Things didn't really improve, then a year-and-a-half ago, I got much worse. So they started changing medications, and put me in therapy. last October, I was diagnosed with neuroleptic parkinsonism (Parkinson's simptoms caused by neuroleptic medications)
I have been very shaky and not very focused and had physical feelings of being unwell, and a perpetual "jetlag", for a year now. The blood tests are in, and I have a type of anemia that I can't pronounce, much less spell, I'm going to look it up later. Because of that, my body doesn't absorb vitamin b12, and almost none was present in the bloodwork. More psychological testing was done and now they say I have ADHD and want to put me on a medication called Stratera, this will be about the twelfth medication I've tried in three years. I hope they get something figured out soon! I lost my land 3 years ago, my 5 cars 2 years ago, my job last year, most of my savings to medical bills, and I still haven't been approved for disability!

I want to get "something" finished for a change! I like working on my car, but looking back, I have done just " a little of this and a little of that", I want to finish detailing my engine bay, finish my interior, replace my driveshaft seal, and simply enjoy my life and my car!

Sorry for the rant!

I'm going to do some more work on my dashboard, look for pics later


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

popbumper

One more reply, geeze Chuck, your car is looking GREAT! Mine is so tore up right now that it will be months before I am driving it (the interior is pretty much disassembled - I understand the "fear" of tearing up the dashboard)! My dash cluster was crumbling nothing, I got another one. I also spent about 8 hours foam filling and repairing my vinyl dash cap to have it rewrapped, and the dam@ shop that did it really did a crappy job $60 + materials down the drain.

Glad you are having fun. I have a LOT of work to do yet and a LOT of $$ already spent.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

popbumper

Quote from: discolives78 on October 16, 2008, 08:59:58 PM
Update for thursday:

I'm not feeling good again,  I woke up late and could barely move, so I skipped work, I have to go back to the hospital for more testing tomorrow ( I hate hospitals).  I did get some work done on the car today but it was very slow going, and I was kinda weak, so don't expect too much. Here are some pictures:

Here are a couple shots for popbumper



I could have sworn it said 'made in canada' but I must have been thinking about one of my other pintos, but this IS the original muffler!



and its in pretty good shape!

NIce shots Chuck! I think that's way coool, gotta love original, unmolested equipment. Having grown up in the great white North, we were never treated to stuff that lasted - the salt roads absolutely tore everything up on an undercarriage. Thanks for sharing, hope you get to feeling better!!!

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

douglasskemp

Quote from: discolives78 on October 23, 2008, 09:10:54 PM
pretty shiny!
I am surprised the shiney police hasn't shown up to give their approval...
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

78squirewagon

I know that from working with BFM on model cars, the surface has to be perferctly smooth. We are talking less than paper this stuff here. But it still looks better that dull chrome  ;D
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

dave1987

Damn your car looks good in the twilight!!!!!  :o :o :o

The BMF on the vent looks a little bit ragged around the edges. Is that the lighting and the effect of the camera?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

Some new pics. These were taken at twilight, car is starting to look good!









Here are some pics of Bare metal foil being applied to my vent, it's pretty shiny once it's buffed with a q-tip, so I had a hard time getting a good picture without a glare!



Step one, gather materials, I like the metal ruler, it has a thin foam backing so it doesn't scratch the foil. Plenty of q-tips and x-acto knife with blades, and a surface (notebook) to cut on so I didn't leave scratches in the desk.



carefully remove the foil from the backing



foil on the right edge (before burnishing) paint on the left edge



after burnishing, before buffing



pretty shiny!


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

Sounds like it is time for updated photos! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

Bill
I would like to take you up on the offer of the duct, but it may take me a few weeks to come up with the $$$ for shipping, I'm trying to get some parts from 78squirewagon too, I like the idea of the a/c console with the gauges.

Dave
Thanks for the kind words, as far as I can tell the gauge cluster is still relatively solid, like I said, it has a few hairline cracks and a little flaked off around the screwholes. As far as bare metal foil, I've never used it on the interior of a car, but I've used it on plenty of model cars and it does hold up fairly well, definitely  use a very sharp blade and qtips to 'burnish' it. I used it to redo the trunk emblem on my Peugeot 505, it held up for about 6 months and then started to peel, but that was after about 10 washes and 3 good rainstorms. It's not as 'shiney' as the original chrome on the plastic parts when you use it in wide strips.  I've read about other guys using "foil pens" that are appearantly available at hobby shops like Michaels and Hobby Lobby.


I don't have any new pics to post today, mostly I spent the day on the passenger side with polishing compound and wax, still need to do right front door, roof, fender and hood, then I'll post some pics (for 20 year old paint it came out pretty shiney!)
I also spent time cleaning the door jambs and inside the edge of the trunk.


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

77turbopinto

Looks great!!

If I had known you needed a good defroster duct I would have sent you one for the cost of shipping.  I still will if you want it as a spare.


Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

78squirewagon

BMF Is pretty good stuff but you have to be real careful with it. If it's going in a place that will not see a lot of abuse, it will come out ok. I build a LOT of model cars and have had pretty good luck with it. I even used it on the base of my shifter in the 1:1 wagon so going around a dash cluster should be ok. Just use a VERY sharp hobby knife and q-tips to apply it
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

dave1987

Your cluster looks amazing! I can only wish that mine still had that much chrome left on it to shine soo well!

I have a black cluster face from the 77 Bobcat I have been parting out, which I plan to do some "experiments" with, as far as re-chroming goes. I plan to buy this stuff called "Bare-Metal Foil" which is used primarily on model cars. I do not know how well it would stand up to an actual vehicle and the frequent detailing my own car goes through though.

Is your gauge cluster soft or brittle at all? If it is, I am impressed that you were able to remove it in one piece! Something I have read here on the forum about another member doing is coating the white section with PVC cement to keep it together, should it ever decide to disintegrate. I am planning to do this to my own soon.

I like new look that the touched up needles on your gauges gives. It really, as you stated, freshens up their appearance!

All I can say is....wow! :o
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

Screwdriver in hand, heart in throat, here goes:

I had to fix the defroster, the duct tape held it for two days, but the only good way to get at it was



to dig a little deeper, so I got to it



I cleaned the defroster duct and the inside of the dashboard with windex, then rubbing alcohol, applied some Permatex RTV, the blue, my favorite, fitted the duct in place and secured it with more duct tape to hold it while the permatex set, here's the tricky part



getting this baby out in one piece, great care and patience was utilized here!



and I took it apart, changed the face plate and bulbs and 'freshened up' the needles very carefully with a red permanent marker (about 4 coats), and I replaced the transparent green card for the turn signals, mine had faded to light blue.

I 'spongebathed' the outside to freshen it up, it's a little dry, a few hairline cracks, but not disintigrated!



and it's back together!

I can't figure out why this car has a "tailgate" light in the speedo cluster, there wasn't a bulb in it.

That was yesterday. My free time today was spent with polishing compound and turtle wax, I only got the driver side and trunk lid done, but it does have a nice shine!
The only thing is being that close to the car, I noticed every little scratch and rock chip :'(

More in a few days!


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

discolives78

Update for Oct 19

So I got the blue console in, but its not perfect, and I have my doubts. I may use the black one I have instead, its in better shape, at least until I can get the A/C console from 78squirewagon. I had a plastic radio plate that was "hacked" beyond repairing to use for a 2 knobber, so I finished the job with a hacksaw and some misc parts, and now my radio is back in the factory location. I took the wood off the dash, but I gouged the metal pretty good next to the heater control, and I forgot that I "drilled" 2 holes for clearance for the "Ford" blue oval, so I'm thinking I'll use a little bondo for now and paint the area between the heater control and the vent black for now, and add the factory woodgrain trim next month. Here's a pic of what the radio looks like now, and a couple pics of my kickpanel speakers for Joe aka thewhitebeast





see the gouge in the dash? bummer :'(



5 1/4 " speaker in pass side panel (so THATS where I left my tire gauge!)



and that's the driver side. Man I need to clean my carpet!

These pictures were taken in the dark with just the dome light and the flash on the camera, I think I like daytime pics better!

I started wet sanding the junkyard hood today, It's in surprisingly good shape, except that its from a 75 so I will have to swap the hood prop from the driver to the passenger side (yes, I got the prop, spring, clip and both washers when I got the hood), The 75 hood doesn't have the hole in the driver side for the 78's prop rod, but the radiator support on the 78 has the hole for the 75 style prop rod, which lays across the front instead of along the fender. I will have to make a "hold down" for the 75's prop rod though, should be a piece of cake, there are 2 threaded holes in the radiator support on the driver side that aren't used for anything, so I'll mount it there.

Pics of the green hood after sanding will be here tomorrow or tuesday.  I think I'm going to go back to closer to stock though, I would like to get new tires for my stock rims and put them back on with the "deluxe" full wheelcovers I have, maybe by Christmas


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

discolives78

Well, nothing gone done on the car today, my appointment was at 12:30 and I didn't get home till almost 6, thanks for the kind words everyone, I had some blood drawn today, and I won't really know anything till next week. I'm going to try to work next week (at least a couple days).  I ran short on cash and having to pay for prescriptions doesn't help. I'll be listing a few items in the classifieds, and if anyone is interested in model cars, let me know, I'm selling probably 8-10 kits (not the exp) about 6 are unopened, still shrink wrapped, ask and I'll send you pics.

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

I'm sorry to hear you arn't feeling well. I hope you heal quickly and well.

From the pictures you posted, I would definitely say that your front differential seal is bad. When mine went bad it did the exact same thing. Even after replacing the seal it still did it.

If you plan to do the work yourself, be sure that after you replace the seal, that you put a ridicules amount of RTV high temp gasket sealer on the flat mating surface on the nut, then put it back on. The oil finds its way around the threads and sprays out of the front of the yoke! I figured this out after reassembling my differential and driving it for a couple days, then had to go back under and fix it.

Another thing to be VERY careful about is when you tighten that nut. I haven't found ANYWHERE in town or on the net that sells the pinion preload spacer/crush sleeve and I overtightened mine, which is causing an incorrect offset on my pinion and ring gears, making a "thud" sound if I let the clutch out to quickly. It also leaves a 1/4 turn of the drive shaft of play, which is excessive.

I'm seriously thinking of taking some heavy duty tools out to the salvage yard and pulling the preload spacer out of the bobcat I have been parting out and see if I can get someone to reproduce it. Even if it is already crushed, perhaps one can be made slightly longer.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

Hey Chuck!
Hope you'll soon be feeling better.  Hang in there!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

discolives78

Update for thursday:

I'm not feeling good again,  I woke up late and could barely move, so I skipped work, I have to go back to the hospital for more testing tomorrow ( I hate hospitals).  I did get some work done on the car today but it was very slow going, and I was kinda weak, so don't expect too much. Here are some pictures:



first I attacked the rust hole on the driver door with a wire wheel on a drill, plugged the hole with screen and bondo'd, sanded first with 80 grit, followed by 40 grit, then 400 wet, then 800 wet



Then I pounded out the dent behind the back wheel on the driver side (should've done this while I had the filler neck out last week!) Hit it with the wire wheel, this is before sanding, same process as above.  this wasn't rust, the car blew a tire, this section got in the path of flying debris and was bent under. I hammered it out pretty close, the bondo was about 1/4-3/8 thick before I started sanding.



4 thin coats of spray primer, 2 mist coats of white, and one heavy coat of white.
Not perfect, but it looks better than it did!

And now for the bad news.  I think the front seal on my differential is shot





The yoke is black and everything else is brown or wet.

Here are a couple shots for popbumper



I could have sworn it said 'made in canada' but I must have been thinking about one of my other pintos, but this IS the original muffler!



and its in pretty good shape!

Well, thats it for tonite.  See y'all this weekend sometime

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

discolives78

Ok, I am in need of some defroster parts or advice on how to re-attach the wide part (that goes to the ducts in the dash) back to the dash.  There isn't much clearance there, I tried to get a wrench and a pair of channel locks in there to bend the tabs the other way, but couldn't. The slots that the tabs go thru are broken. Is this peice just supposed to 'snap' in place?  duct tape is the temporary solution, but I don't think that will last too long!


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

78squirewagon

They are not going anywhere anytime soon so if you want, I will set them aside. I only have one other person interested so I will let you know for sure. If someone wants the blue one, I will save you the tan one and you can paint it to match  ;D I will toss in the kick panels, sun visors, radio bezel with cassett deck still attached and whatever else I dont need for one low price of 40.oo plus shipping if that seems fair.

I have two 78's that I am keeping as stock as I can. I will take off the A/C unit and the smog crap off of my white wagon but leave the rest alone
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

discolives78

I found a blue console in the car the fender extension and trunk lid came off of, but its for a non-air-conditioned car. I would be interested, but I kinda blew my wad this week, so I gotta save up some cash. Been out of work for 2-3 weeks, so my savings dwindled too.  Nice to see other guys with 78s!


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

78squirewagon

The way the body shop fixed mine a couple of years ago was to sand them down and lay several coats of good primer before painting. I have not had issues since.

I wish I would have known how to take those off the junk wagon I stripped because I would have had two more  :lol:  Oh well, it was more fun to tear them apart.

I like the progress. Now what you need is a blue console and radio bezel which I just happen to have. The console is an A/C one so you can install your gages there. I even have the wood trim peice you need for the dash  ;D
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)