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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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r4pinto

I tested the light repair I made & it's holding perfectly. JB WELD IS AWESOME!!!!

Today I got the oil pump in the mail. Thanks Bill!!! Anyways, looked at the pump and noticed it seemed somewhat different from the original 1977 Ford oil pump when Isaw the tag with a part number. That pump is a  Melling oil pump, and looks reasonably new. It must have been replaced at one time in the engine Bill got it out of.

I got the car pulled up the driveway with the help of a 94 Taurus and a piece of chain. My dad's Taurus may be falling apart and near death but the engine & transaxle still have some guts to them. Without even giving the car gas she pulled the Pinto up the driveway with minimal damage to her plastic bumper.

With that I can go ahead and install the brake clips, thanks to Tigger for sending them a while back, and also bleed the brakes to make sure all is good.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Got some more pics of the parts I worked on while it's raining. Including the visor reglue. The top visor in the pic has the JB welded pin. You can see where I had to use JB weld on the map light. If it doesn't stay glued this time then I will keep an eye out for a replacement. I repainted the grille while I had it off & posted a pic of it. Lastly, the sport mirrors I bought long, long ago when I had my 78 hatchback. Black is a neutral color so I went ahead and painted them gloss black so they won't look as bad.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Another update. It's been raining so I'm unable to work on the engine or busy, so I've been working on intierior pieces. The maplight setup I have had a broken mounting screw hole so I'm in the process of fixing it. Previously I used plastic epoxy but it didn't hold, so I decided to retry it with gobs of JB weld. Also this time I've secured the broken piece to the light with a clamp.

Also I had the typical broken sunvisor peg, and used JB weld on it to secure the peg to the visor. I'm gonna start reassembling the interior in the next couple days as well as restitching a torn part of the headliner. Pics to come soon.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Lastly, a shot of the dashboard after I repainted it in semi-gloss black paint. I plan on taking the glovebox door off & painting the backside of the door semi-gloss.


That's all for now, more to come later
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Interior work. I redid the trim using the silver sharpie, like Cookieboy suggested. Thanks for the great idea! I went a little further & used a black sharpie on the little spots where black was coming off of the instrument cluster


heater control redone


steering wheel installed

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

RF fender repair. There were lots of small chips & dents in the fender


closeup of the area that had a big dent
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

RR quarter panel scratch filled & fixed.


Pics of the passender door repair. Lots of rust, so it's temporary




I have bumps on the a pillar, and am trying to fix it.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Finally, I got some pics of the work that I've got done to the car so far. It's the shots of the bodywork I've gotten done so far.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

I wish I could, but my dad's taurus wagon won't make it too well, if at all. It barely gets him to work so if I get the Pinto running he can drive it while I work on the Taurus. Thanks again, you're a stand up guy Bill.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

77turbopinto

Got it, will ship Monday.


I still have a good running engine you can have if you can come get it.


Bill


Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

77turbopinto

I just pulled apart a 2.3 for the pan and pick-up. It was a running engine with good oil pressure. PM me your address and I will send you the pump for free (I will pay shipping too).



Bill
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r4pinto

It just keeps getting worse... As I originally planned I couldn't get the cam pulled form the head yesturday since it rained onn & off all day. I did do a good soaking of the oil pump so I could inspect it better.

Today I finished cleaning the pump and saw more rotten news. While the pumps clearances are within specs there are some grooves worn in the side of the pump housing. At this point I now have to find a pump as I don't want to chance losing the engine over a $20 oil pump. I don't really have the money for a replacement pump but if I put the oil pump back in the engine it will fail with the way my luck has been going.

I took some pictures of the car as she sits and will get them posted soon.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Ground down quite a bit of the rust on the passender side door, and also finished filling and sanding the RF fender. I just have to do some finish work to the fender so I can get it primed and painted to match the other fender. On the A pillars there is a bulge on the top of each and I'm working to get that fixed. To be honest I can't believe how much I've gotten done on the body. The door may be temporarily fixed since it's rusted through but atleast it'll look better for Carlisle.

Tomorrow if all goes according to plan I'm going to remove the cam from the head so I can clean it up really good to make sure there's no metal shavings.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well, at about 9 pm I was bored so I took the 1977 cars Motor repair book to the garage and checked the specs for the oil pump. It shocked me to see it's in specs by about .003". With that in mind I have the oil pump soaking in cleaner overnight- parts soaking out of the housing that is-  so tomorrow I can reassemble the pump and get it all lubed up and ready to reinstall in the engine. Figured while I had it apart to clean the crud out of it after flushing the engine I might as well be safe & check the clearances. The pickup tube will get cleaned out then bolted back on the pump. I tell ya, this car will probably run almost as good as it did when new.

While I've got the cooling system drained I'm gonna remove the valve cover and make sure there's nothing wrong under there. If I have any bad lifters I have some known good lifters ready to be installed.

More to come later.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Update.....

Today I took out the radiator, removed the timing belt, and the rear timing cover. I am going to wait until after I have the transmission pulled to remove the front seal holder. As long as it doesn't rain I'll be able to get the transmission out of the car.

Aside teardown of the front of the engine I also got some minor body work done to the fender and a couple rust spots on the door. Two spots down, about 20 to go. This is just temporary until I can afford to get a replacement door, and that'll be after Carlisle.

Pics to come soon.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

I probably shoulda mentioned I'm swapping out the crank since there is some noticeable wear from what I could see on the main cap I took off. I wish I had a micrometer so I could check the journals to make sure they are within specs. Might just go & get one.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

It looks to be easy enough, and difficult at the same time. I'm going to pull the transmission anyways, so changing the crank won't be too hard.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

77turbopinto

I have replaced the rear main seal on more than one Pinto engine with the engine still in the car. If that can be done I can't see why you could not change out the crankshaft. It would not be the best way, or easy, but I am sure it could be done.

BTW: I never said that the engine did not have to be lifted.

Depending on how the crank looked I would just slide in the bearings.


Bill
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Pintosopher

77 Turbo Pinto.
I too would like to know just how this is possible in the Pinto without lifting the engine. There's that dang cross member right in the way! BTW, I have a 1984 Rabbit GTI and it is possible in that and many other Front wheel drive cars. Apples & Oranges  ???

Pintosopher
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

77turbopinto

Quote from: crazyhorse on April 08, 2008, 03:59:04 PM
Ok, NOW I'm intrigued!

How ya gonna get the crank out with the engine in the car?

No, wait, better yet, beg, borrow or steal a camera, & post a how-to!

Teach me young one. ;D

I did that job on my Rabbit GTI racecar, no big deal. I did not have an engine hoist at the time.


Bill
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crazyhorse

Ok, NOW I'm intrigued!

How ya gonna get the crank out with the engine in the car?

No, wait, better yet, beg, borrow or steal a camera, & post a how-to!

Teach me young one. ;D
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r4pinto

Thanks for your support guys. Fortunately I got the crankshaft from the engine I was rebuilding and it's in great shape. It came out of an engine with only 80k miles so I'll use that one & get some bearings for it. It'll be a pain to do in the car but better to do it now than end up dead on the side of the road.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

77turbopinto

Sorry to hear that Matt. If we were closer I would bring over one of my spare running engines and help you put it in.



Bill
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crazyhorse

DANG Matt, that sux. Sounds like a rebuild is in order. I wish I were closer, I'd gladly lend a hand with it.
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r4pinto

The picture gets grimmer.... I just pulled a main bearing cap since I already knew I was gonna have to drop the crank, and I saw the main bearings are shot. Worn down to the bronze, or brass or whatever it is, I don't care right now.... At the moment I've found I gotta get new rod & main bearings, and am deciding whether or not to pull the head & rering it while the crank is out. s for the flexplate, now I don't know if I will replace it or not. We'll see.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

 >:( DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT"S WHAT I WAS AFRAID OF!!!

OK, 'nuff yelling. I pulled the pan, lots of sludge on the bottom from the engine flush, no big deal. What is though is the fact that the rods do have play down there, not much but enough to concern me.

BTW, I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary with the flexplate aside from some ground teeth. When The tranny gets pulled I'll be replacing the flexplate. I just have a bad feeling about it.

As for the rest of the car, the floor is beyond trashed so it's gonna need major floor repair. Gotta figure out how to get a donor pan for it since it's pretty bad. The actual body of the car is is pretty good shape for a 30 year old car. The passenger front fender was replaced  cuz it had a dent in it & I had a spare. Both front doors were rotted at the corner.  As for the back half of the car, it's suprizingly good. It's got a few places that'll need patched, but overall they are in great shape. Wish I coulda gotten the patch panel for the quarter panel that was on ebay. It went for cheap on there but I had ZERO cash then.
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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

crazyhorse

If there's any play in the rods, it'll be apparent at any part of the stroke. Grab 'em & give a firm shake.
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r4pinto

I looked at my post & it didn't make much sense to me. What I meant was do the rods need to be at the bottom or top of the crank journals?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Gotcha. Thanks for the tips. Do the rods need to be on any certain stroke, and how much play is acceptable?
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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress