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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Getting back to the Pinto after time off from it

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r4pinto

Well, today I fired up the engine for the first time in about a month. I noticed it was spewing oil out the side of the engine so I looked for a leak. I found out I forgot to replace the oil switch that broke as I was pulling off the head. After I get some more parts I need for her I'll be getting more work done to her. At this point it's ready for an oil change, fresh coolant, check the timing & finally replace the bad tranny. I'll get some shots of the engine all painted up, looking shiney.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

It's been a while since I updated the progress on the car. I got the seals changed & just about have the engine back together. I think I need to seat the dipstick tube a little more, and have to do a little touching up on the water pump. It is really looking great. I plan on getting the Timing belt on the car, reinstall the old exhaust manifold so I can start the car and see how it runs. Then I will finish installation of the required parts.

Pics to come soon.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well, today I unbolted to intermediate sprocket & the crank pulley & found the intermediate shaft seal is also leaking. While I have both pulleys off I'm gonna go ahead & replace the seals. At this point the only seals & gaskets that haven't been pulled off the engine are the crank & intermediate shaft seals & the seal holder mounting gaskets. All that will be left in the engine are the bearings & rings, and I've checked them. All are well with that.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

I pulled the water pump off the engine so I could paint it since it's all nasty, & found out it was starting to show its age. I had another one bolted to the engine I'm building for the car so I went ahead & unbolted it, & painted it up. I was gonna leave it cast iron colored when I got it about 2 years ago, but decided to paint it to match the block. I started soaking the block yesturday & hope to be able to degrease the block tomorrow after work, as well as get it ready for paint. Once I get all the paintwork done I plan on starting reassembly.  More pics to come soon.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

There is a number on the decal. I think it's the number for the bottle. E2PJ-6B315-CA
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

77turbopinto

Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

r4pinto

Also, I have been wanting to install a coolant recovery tank on my car, & while I was at a Ford Ranger found one that will work almost perfect & look original. It's a combo washer bottle/ coolant bottle & seems to be able to fit right in there after I move down the voltage regulator about an inch. Pic is of the bottle
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well, I ended up having to get a new valve cover for the car since the old one was bent beyond repair. The gasket surface was all bumped up & also bent too much. Got some pics of the replacement cover after I degreased it & then painted it.



Before



After


One more of my intake manifold painted up
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thanks, I sure am. Getting everything nice & shiney. I'm gonna degrease the bottom end tomorrow& paint the block. Once I do tht I'm gonna start reassembling it.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Scott Hamilton

Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

r4pinto


Thermostat Housing & bolts repainted

Intake manifold drying after cleaning. The blue paint is what's left of the original paint.

Dipstick tube repainted

Dipstick handle repainted.

That's all for now, more to come as I get the work done.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

As promised, here are some pics of the progress of the head work.


The head after cleanup & roller cam installed

Cylinder head painted

Intake manifold, No that isn't black paint, but lots of grease

Distributor hold down, intake end piece, and engine bracket

Timing cover

Intake mainfold soaking in cleaner
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Got the head cleaned up a bit today. I used a brass wheel & cleaned off the exhaust & intake gaskets surfaces so it'll be ready for paint tomorrow. I also took a wire brush to the combustion chamber & removed all the grime. After letting the valves soak for about a day or so I also cleaned the valves with a wire wheel to get rid of the deposits. Two of the valves were badly carboned up so I'm letting them soak over night to get all the carbon & sludge off. The valve seals were so worn out the engine was burning quite a bit of oil at startup. Tomorrow I'm gonna get the engine degreased, and also mask off the inside of the head so I can paint it back to the original Ford Blue. I was just gonna clean up the head, slap in the new cam & reinstall everything, but I figure since it's off I might as well make it all look nicer. Pics to come soon.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well, I got the valve springs removed & found out the valve stems were gone. They wouldn't even hold the valve in place to remove the keepers. They were cracking as I removed them from the head. As for the valves there were actually a few that were stuck when I was removing the valve springs. I'm soaking the springs overnight to get them clean of any crud that is on them. Got them in butter bowels separated by cylinder so they go back where they came from.

More to come later
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well, I got the head off the engine & found out the head gasket was starting to go. 30 years with lack of maintenence & old age was catching up to it. The followers also showed quite a bit of wear, so it was definitely time for some repairs. The engine is probably due for a rebuild since there is no crosshatch pattern, but I'm not going to rebuild this engine. I have an engine in the garage I'm in the process of rebuilding so I should be fine until then. I'm just gonna make sure the engine is all clean before I put the head back on the engine.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Just came inside from removing the intake manifold & it was filthy. Covered in all the oil from the leaking valve cover. Anyways, Found a few more issues. The intake gasket was original & looked like it was starting to go in a few places. I noticed a small hose that goes from the intake to the metal line for coolant that is getting replaced since it's the original hose. It has Ford stamped right on it! That'll be getting replaced before I put the manifold back on. Everything is covered in oil & grease so I'll be cleaning off all the parts, as well as the block before I bolt it all back together.

That's all for now, pics to come tomorrow.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well, I have decided to go a little further in the engine. Instead of just jacking up the engine& removing the cam with the engine in the car I'm going to remove the head & change out the head gasket. I already have most the gaskets & want to change the valve seals while I have the cam out of the head so I figure whay the hey.

Anyways, I soaked the exhaust manifild bolts over night since they were badly rusted & got them out today to find no manifold gasket. I proceded to pull the distributor so I can get to the bottom intake bolts, when I found some problems with the distributor. I have a piece missing out of my distributor cap, something was sitting in the distributor cap (a long piece of hard plastic), the distributor electrical connector was broken & the wires to the distributor were actually melted. Also the drive gear is worn. I'm gonna see if I can check out the auxillary shaft without pulling it to make sure the gear on it isn't badly worn. If need be I'll pull the shaft. The PCV is clogged big time which has me concerned since I replaced it when I got the car & have only logged about 3000 miles on it since.

I have most the parts I need except for the carb mounting gasket & will get new manifold hardware since the old bolts are just about gone. I have a distributor I previously rebuilt for an engine I've been rebuilding over the years so I'll just use that.

That's all for now, more to come later.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thanks again Bill. Found a roller cam & followers in a 93 Ranger & the cost for all that was around $30 out the door. Good thing I got there today since it was the only post 86 ranger in the yard that had a 2.3 in it.The rest were the 3.0 Vulcan v6
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

not a problem on that one. Gotta take backa  bad switch to pick N pull tomorrow so I'm gonna look for any of the years ranger you mentioned. might get lucky & get the parts cheap. lol
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

77turbopinto

Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

r4pinto

I gotcha. Thanks for the info again Bill. This'll be another time you've helped me big time.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

77turbopinto

Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

77turbopinto

Also, for what you pay for a good used cam and followers you are much better off spending just a little more on the roller. Keep in mind that if the person that removed it did not keep the followers in order (they will TELL you they did reguardless), it can eat the cam VERY FAST.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

r4pinto

Thanks Bill, I'll keep that in mind. What year ranger used that? A ford Ranger was the only thing I didn't look for when at the junkyard today & I gotta go back tomorrow.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

77turbopinto

Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

r4pinto

Well, I got in the car today to work on installing a wiper delay I found on a Ford truck in the junkyard & went ahead & started it so I wouldn't drain the battery. Started it up & it was running very rough. It smoothed out a little bit but was chugging really bad, & putting bad at the exhaust. Decided to pull the valve cover to see what I'd find. Just as I suspected, the cam lobes are shot. Each & every one is scratched to hell & most are worn down to where I can feel a nice grove where it rides the rocker arm. There were no cams at Pick N Pull, actually no 2.3's come to think of it. so I posted on here for a cam. Hopefully I can get this thing running better so I can get it driving again. I'm jsut glad I found this before I changed the oil. No harm in removing the valve cover gasket since it was leaking anyways. The previous owner replaced it, but overtightened it & spit the gasket so now it leaked everywhere.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: r4pinto on November 10, 2007, 09:30:30 AM
lol, you sure did & I never put it in. I got so involved with the GLH that I ignored the Pinto needing the tranny installed. Gonna be installing it within the next week or so with the help of my dad. Then I just need to bleed the brakes, change the oil, check the fluids, & it'll be ready to drive, after I drop the gas tank & get that boiled & sealed... not to mention rebuilding the carb. I know there has got to be some rust in there that gave me some starting problems.

Good idea bill, I'll do that. Prolly will make it shift better anyways.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: Pintony on November 10, 2007, 09:18:29 AM
Hey R4,
I thought I brought an c3 transmission to your house last year???

From Pintony
lol, you sure did & I never put it in. I got so involved with the GLH that I ignored the Pinto needing the tranny installed. Gonna be installing it within the next week or so with the help of my dad. Then I just need to bleed the brakes, change the oil, check the fluids, & it'll be ready to drive, after I drop the gas tank & get that boiled & sealed... not to mention rebuilding the carb. I know there has got to be some rust in there that gave me some starting problems.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

77turbopinto

Oh well, sorry.

BTW: I put half a bottle in Connie's car (C3) just in case. You might want to put some in the new tranny, might help it last longer.


Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

r4pinto

There's actually a bottle of Lucas in there right now. I was still working at Advance Auto at the time & everyone including the customers told me to try it. I did, no use. It didn't help. Yeah, you're right. It was worth a try so I did. Woulda saved me from having to pull the tranny. Oh well $hit happens.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress