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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Restoring my 78 Sedan

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dave1987

I have an order on Rockauto.com prepared. Going to be getting a new flywheel ring gear for the flywheel I have sitting here in the house. Hopefully I can get the clutch rebuilt in February! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Well so far it's sealed up damn well! Not a drop of water on my floor, carpet or under the dash! :D Keeping my fingers crossed that it stays this way for awhile. George at the glass shop said it should last me about another 20 years before the butyl dries out again.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Hey, YOU gave me the idea! :D I just couldn't remember where/why I thought to use it while I was posting.

Thanks again! :D :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

TIGGER

Dave, that is basically what I used on the wiper posts on my crusing wagon.  I am pretty sure you will have no more problems with leaking posts ;)
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

dave1987

Last week we had a down pour while I was at work. While on break I went out to the car to get away from all of the timers and sounds of the HVAC hoods. While sitting in the car watching the rain fall I had water dripped onto my feet and a puddle on the passenger side floor mat.  :'(

I'm thinking it started leaking because I reused the original wiper post cowl gaskets which are pretty darn SHOT. So today while I waited for Les Schwab to check the sealing lips on the studded snow tires, I pulled the wiper linkage to reseal them.

While I did not find a true full replacement gasket for the originals, I came up with this (pictures).

I used the 1/4" butyl rubber cord I was originally planning to use to seal around the windshield gasket (it didn't work for that task). I have a lot of the cord left, some of it in clumps and a a few feet left still in cord form. I took about five inches of the cord and mashed it between my fingers to make it semi-flat and pressed it down around the wiper posts completing two circles.

After reassembly, from outside and inside, it appears to have sealed well...at least visually! It has pushed through to the inside of the cowl and mashed out around the inside.

I also used some "Ultra Black" RTV silicone gasket sealer on the bolt threads before installing them. Hopefully this works! I won't know until the next down pour though.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Just as a reference post, this is a 4spd Pinto vibration dampener. It came off a 73 Station Wagon, but perhaps it will go onto the car if I ever feel like I want to find out if it makes a difference.

1) Vibration Dampener & Hardware
2) Dirt/Crud from it after scraping with a putty knife
3) Big mess from cleaning it up with some old gasoline from Brownie's tank

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

TIGGER

Quote from: dave1987 on November 08, 2010, 09:59:49 AM
Thank you! I changed out the flasher after dropping my step daughter off at school and it works great now!

Only thing irritating now is that the replacement flasher's body is nothing like the original and has no mounting tab on it, so it just hangs behind the fuse block. Any ideas where to get one that does have the tab?

None of the aftermarket replacements have the tab that I have seen.  You will have to get one from Ford or the wrecking yards to find one with the tab.
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dave1987

Thank you! I changed out the flasher after dropping my step daughter off at school and it works great now!

Only thing irritating now is that the replacement flasher's body is nothing like the original and has no mounting tab on it, so it just hangs behind the fuse block. Any ideas where to get one that does have the tab?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

75bobcatv6

check the relay under the dash, that could be bad Flasher relays are fairly easy to replace IIRC.

dave1987

Sounds like I'm all turned around then! lol

The 78 is giving me headaches again! :(

So today it was raining like crazy and I found out that my wiper post seals are leaking like crazy! Puddles on the floor mats, lucky for me those are rubber, but that doesn't change the fact that they NEED TO BE REPLACED! What should I use to replace them with? Not sure what the original material is either.


On the way home the right turn signal wouldn't work. The light on the instrument cluster is staying on, as in solid, and the tail light and the parking light doesn't flash either. Turning on the left signal works fine though. I changed the brake lamp bulb which was burned out and looks like it has a small crack in it, but it still isn't flashing.

Previously this issue has been related to my turn signal switch getting messed up and I have to pull the steering wheel to get to it. Before I delve into that, what else should I check for? I know a bad ground could cause it, think all this rain has caused issues with the wiring?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

Quote from: dave1987 on September 30, 2010, 12:23:29 PM
There are other great project logs like mine here as well. Dwayne (dga57) and Matt (r4pinto) both have great logs going that are full of info and details.

Gee, Dave... thanks for the plug and I sincerely wish I could claim that distinction, but you've got the wrong guy, my friend.  I haven't written anything about my Pinto because nothing is happening with it.  You've mentioned Matt - I would also recommend 71pintoracer's (if you're considering a V-8 swap) or larjohnson's (if stock is your thing) logs, as well as any number of others that are available here.  There is a ton of good information here but unfortunately I can't take credit for any of it!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dave1987

lateniteauto, I'm so happy to hear that the information I've supplied over time has and will help you with your own project!

That is actually a big part of the reason why I post everything about my 78's progress here, in hopes that someone will find something they couldn't find else where. I also like having a project log here that I can look back onto and retrieve information I may have forgotten.

There are other great project logs like mine here as well. Dwayne (dga57) and Matt (r4pinto) both have great logs going that are full of info and details. I highly recommend looking around in the Project Logs section and reading through a few.

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions, concerns or would like some input on something. I'm almost always online! :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

lateniteauto

Dave,
  I want to personally thank you.  I have started a project of my own.  I have been reading and reading your thread here.  So much info, great detail, and a refreshing outlook on the slow day to day that is "restoring".  Your car is wonderful looking, and I can tell you have put a lot of time and thought into every detail. There have been many things I have learned from just this one thread.  If everyone was as detailed as you are about their projects, I think we would already have all the answers to little questions.  I love the way your console turned out, and I think I will use your idea. as well as a few of the others.  For someone like me, who is new to the pinto scene, it is great to find so many answers in one place.  I will contact you if I have questions about my resto/mod that aren't already answered in the forum.   Thank you again.

dave1987

Went down to Transtar today and had them order the gasket kit for the transmission. It's a Ford FOG (4spd) that we Pinto owners have, so if you are looking for parts for your stock 4spd that's what to call it. The only difference over the years was the gear ratios. Although they cannot obtain synchronizer assemblies, they can get the rings and bearings. The gasket kit, Scott said, should only be about $4.80 or so, just a few gaskets in the kit. I'll have to call back some time and see about the rebuild kit with the bearings and rings.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

RSM

I work on school buses and every transit bus has those. They don't last long upside down....some of those doors are heavy. With something light it will prolly last forever.

dave1987

Thank you RSM! I still have them on upside down but my hood is closed 99.9% of the time. About a year after install now and still working great though!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

RSM

I don't know if anyone answered the question about the gas hood struts or not but the cylinder part goes on top so the seals stay oiled. One reason they fail is because they are upside down.

r4pinto

Larry,

the razor blade trick works really good, as does the turtle wax rubbing compound. I used the razor blade since I had lots of overspray on the windshield, then I finished it off with the rubbing compound. What a difference that made!
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

larjohnson

Dave:  The windshield on the 1971 Pinto I bought off of Reed in Washington State needs some help too.  I thought Turtle Wax rubbing compound would do the trick.  Think I'll try the razor blade thing first.  Hope it works.  Glad to see you got your little windshield problem taken care of so easily.  Have a great day!!!!! Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dave1987

Hmm, thought I updated this from my phone. Guess it didn't finish uploading the reply.

The glass shop used a fresh razor blade and the film of hard water peeled right off! Nice and clean windshield again! :D


Since it seems I've got a nack for tig welding, I'm thinking of fixing the clutch pedal on the car. I'm using a Mustang II cable with adjuster tube on the car , but the way the cable connects to the pedal is off. The Mustang II cable doesn't have a ball at the end of it like the Pinto cable does, instead it has an eyelet. So instead of using the clip on the cable and using the stud through the pedal to hold the cable to it, I am using a bolt through the hole of the pedal, as well as the cable eyelet, then two nuts tightened against each other. Even then, the cable is off to the driver's side about 3/8" and twists the pedal. I now have a wobbly pedal because of it.

I recall someone telling me that cutting the pedal towards the top and welding it to one side of the bottom half of the pedal would probably correct this. I'm thinking it will work, and very tempted to cut the pedal and weld as said. I really am getting tired of the wobbly pedal that is really squeaky in cold weather because of it's angle and twist pressure against the pivot bushings.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

I scheduled an appointment with. The glass shop, that installed my new windshield, is going to try a compound they use frequently on the windshield. If that doesn't work they have a couple other meathods they can try. I will keep you all updated.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

Pinto5.0

Quote from: r4pinto on July 26, 2010, 05:03:41 PM
what do you use to polish the windshield? Just regular rubbing compound? The windshield on my car definitely needs that done.

Eastwood company used to sell a glass polising kit that worked fantastic. It was like 20 bucks or so. It would remove scratches & water & acid rain spots.
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r4pinto

what do you use to polish the windshield? Just regular rubbing compound? The windshield on my car definitely needs that done.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

Parked the car in a bad spot at work a few days ago and the sprinklers got it.

Not sure if it's just hard water or a chemical in the city water system, but there are white circular spots all over the car. Where it hit the windshield I can't seem to get it clean just by using glass cleaner or washer fluid.

I now need to polish the windshield so I see through it clearly again! :(
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

russosborne

Matt,
At least your car HAS a headliner! When I bought mine all that was left was a little bit back by the hatch.
But at least I didn't have to worry about ripping it to take it out. :-)
I am seriously thinking about using the stuff they sell at JoAnne's ( a craft store my wife likes as much as I like Summit Racing). It is a headliner material, for newer cars. More of a foamy felt sort of thing. Gets glued on. But that is a long way away at this point.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

dave1987

Mine's the same way, looks better in pictures than it does in person! Then again, it might just be us nit picking at little things that we have to deal with EVERY DAY that others never get the chance to see/experience!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

Thanks Dave,

I know normally people say the pics don't do the car justice but in my case the pics make the car look better than she is. I can safely say that she has been falling apart, evident by the fact the headliner stitching ripped out over the past year, along with the flaking rear panels & everything else. I just need to get my butt in gear & fix it.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

Thanks guys, I appreciate the kudos!

I'm sure your car is making progress r4. I just try to keep in mind that it takes time, more often more time than I expect, and it takes patience, A LOT of patience. I just think about what I have to do weeks before I do it so that I can get it all done the way I want it and with pleasing results. Nothing has to be absolutly perfect since it is my daily driver, but it does have to be presentable and not half assed. I do enjoy driving a car that is well maintained and visually appears that way to.

Keep at it and take your time, your ride is looking good still!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

Lookin good Dave,

If you want you can work on my car  ;D You are so much better at it than I am lol.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

popbumper

Excellent work Dave, keep it up!! TOO stinking hot here to do ANYTHING right now.

When it's 90 degrees at 10 PM.....I think that says it all....

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08