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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

My V8 street Pinto project

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mrpinto

Yeah, it weighs next to nothing!  While I was considering fiberglass bumpers, I got looking at the bumpers on my 78 parts car, and noticed that the top part of the bumper was the same as the early style, it just has that big bottom part added. So I decided to try and snip it off and see what it looked like.

I think once it is filled smooth and painted, it wil very hard to tell the difference.



I think the wheel looks pretty trick with the pinto badge in the center! 8)

1979 302 Pinto Custom
1971 460 Drag Pinto

douglasskemp

I like how your fabbed skinny bumper turned out.  Looks very clean, and I would guess it must weigh like 3 pounds!
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

mrpinto

Got some more done to the Pinto.

Instead of posting pics here, I have a progress journal on another board, so I'll just update that. Check it out, it sure is coming along nice.


Pinto Project Journal
1979 302 Pinto Custom
1971 460 Drag Pinto

High_Horse

Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

78pinto

Quote from: FCANON on February 02, 2007, 10:37:30 AM
Well I dont like your hood scoop.....

Since I'm a nice guy I will send you my hood  and you can put you old hood on my car.:)

Frank

PS: please paint that grabber blue so it matches the rest of my car.

Good try Frank!
** Jeff (78Pinto) is Missing from us but will always be a part of our community- We miss you Jeff **

High_Horse

MrPinto,
    It looks fast. Your an artist Mr. Pinto. The extention towards the windsheild is good. The lines are good. 10

                                                                                                                            High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

FCANON

Well I dont like your hood scoop.....

Since I'm a nice guy I will send you my hood  and you can put you old hood on my car.:)

Frank

PS: please paint that grabber blue so it matches the rest of my car.
www.pintoworks.com   www.tirestopinc.com
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78pinto

Awesome job on the scoop!  I can do alt of stuff (build engines ect) but body work is NOT one of them.  I would have been better off getting you to make me a hood than have spent $600+ on the UP22 crap!  I'm impressed!
** Jeff (78Pinto) is Missing from us but will always be a part of our community- We miss you Jeff **

mrpinto

Finally got the hood finished. I think it came out pretty good considering it was in horrible shape, and it was my first attempt making a scoop form scratch. Cost a helluva lot less than the glass one I was gonna get too! But I suppose if I had to have someone make it for me, it would have cost the same, because it was almost 3 days of filling and sanding!. So I'm glad I watched my dad closely gowing up, and learned a thing or two!  ;)

Rub rub rub rub rub...Ugh! I'm sure glad to be done with that!!


All finished and primed!




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1971 460 Drag Pinto

80pinto302

wow it looking and coming along realllllllllllly nice. man, i really gotta get on my car :embarrassed: i really like your plan with the tail lights. keep up the good work.
1980 pinto 302 c4 auto 4:10's
got my full lisence! wooo

stever

We are in the same boat,poor people have poor ways.I had my body done it took me most of last summer to pay for it.Start swapping the engine in a month or so.Keep posting and working on it
yes i am from whiteland indiana,and no i dont know the gliddens.

mrpinto

I also started on the tail lights. I cut out the old mounting holes, and welded in new pieces. I'm going to fill these out smooth, then cut out the new holes where I want them. I'm using front turn signals from a 89-93 Chev 1/2 ton for the light housing. They will work perfect for my custom lights.

1979 302 Pinto Custom
1971 460 Drag Pinto

mrpinto

Soooooo, after a little hiatus, I'm back to the grind on the Pinto project.  After finding out that my hood was in "less than decent" shape, I decided to look for a new one. Well, unfortunately in my part of NA, a decent hood is next to impossible to obtain. I then contacted Unlimited products about their glass hoods. $300 plus almost $400 to ship!! :o

Then of course I see 78Pinto's posts about the hood he got from them. ::) So, I said the heck with it, and I'll do what I can with mine. Well, iot's a good thing I'm not afraid of Bondo!! LOL

I liked the look of the cowl scoop on the UP hood, and I'm gonna need the clearance for the 408W, so decided I was going to make my own version out of metal, then fill it smooth. I decided on a 4 1/2" high x 20" wide cowl. I cut the rear in front of the hood support, and forward a little before where the front of the hood starts to dip. It took a little "convincing", but I managed to get the top of the hood bent up. I then made the sides from 18g, and tacked them in at the rear, and slowly worked my way to the front so the top of the hood took the same shape. I wanted the illusion of a longer hood, so I added another 4" past the rear of the hood, over the cowl area. I finished the corners with rolled strips of metal to take some of the square "home-made-ish" look off it, and stiffen it up. I also welded in a small piece of rod in the center of the scoop for added rigidity. I think it will look pretty good once I smooth it out. And the best part, it only cost me about $20 in metal, a bit of mig wire, and a few hours getting flash burn! ;)

BTW, please excuse the crappy welding. I learned as I went along.





Cleaned up the underside a little. Also tacked the hood support to the skin to stiffen it up more, so less chance the fill can crack later on.


Whatchall think?
1979 302 Pinto Custom
1971 460 Drag Pinto

douglasskemp

Okay, I am curious... Are you going to put the rear bumper back on or go with a roll pan?  Maybe like something off of a 67 Mustang with the reverse lights (since the firebird ones appear not to have any of their own).  Nice looking custom job btw.
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

High_Horse

Yes........That is a nice taillight arrangement.

                                                                                     High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

mrpinto

I think I decided what I'm gonne do for the tail lights. I'm not big on the Maverick ones , the more i look at them. They stick out kinda far, I'm looking for something a little sleeker.

After surfing the net looking at the rear of tons of cars, I came across a 68' Firebird. I thought the tail lights were super cool, and did a little cut n paste job on my pinto. I think it looks awesome!! It's just the sleek look I was looking for.

1979 302 Pinto Custom
1971 460 Drag Pinto

cromcru

i am using the same maverik tailights off a 77. does anyone have a few more pics of that pinto with the lights all ready done.wanted to see what the whole car looked like, nice way they used the cobra rims off the fox body mustang.now on the front of my 79 bobcat . i am planning on changing the way the front looks by making a custom grill incert and changing to the headlights off of a 85-89 merkur xr4ti.
79 bobcat  78 ford pinto station wagon   93 ford mustang lx   90 ford mustang cont lx  63 chevy truck    52 studebaker 2r16a

skrach

awesome! i love it. im doing the same build. is that a stop spoiler? thats the same spoiler that im looking for.  i like the cougar tail lights i seen a car on ebay once with them, and they look great but paint the chrome black.  are you gonna run duel exaust? out the back? or out the sides?   our projects are similar.. i love it.
1971 Ford Pinto Sedan. Original CA Car. Root Beer Brown. but wont be that color for long. Tired of the poop brown reputation. haha

High_Horse

Mr. Pinto,
   I have always liked the couger tail lights. I particularly like the way the turn signals blink progressively from the center out. They look good on the Pinto. I say Couger.

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                                                                                                                        #226
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Cookieboystoys

wow... lot's of choices.

I didn't like.. (and this is just my personal opinion)

68 Camaro - to square

I did kinda like..

69 Camaro (but not upside down)

and the Cougar's were my favorite out of the options you mentioned  ;D

I found a couple of pictures of a car w/the comet tail lights so you can see an actual install but should be noted they are upside down (I think they should be put on correct) and the reverse lense was swapped out (and I think it looks better with) but it will give a better idea from different angles.

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

mrpinto

I really like the look of the 68' Camaro lights on the Pinto. The 69 style are nice too. And now that I see the cougar lights on there it looks a little overbearing.

From a 68 Camaro


From a 69 Camaro


69 Camaro upside down.


67-68 Cougar
1979 302 Pinto Custom
1971 460 Drag Pinto

mrpinto

I never thought of the comet lights. Pretty cool idea. I have a set from a '68 Camaro that I thought would look cool. Te 69's would look cool also. I also had the idea of the 67-68 cougar tailights. The ones that chase, but I can't locate a set. They are also very big.
1979 302 Pinto Custom
1971 460 Drag Pinto

Cookieboystoys

how about early mercury comet taillights. They are much larger than the pinto lights and on my 73 I was considering it, even bought a set. My rear bumper has the vertical impact bumpers and if the comet lights were installed the impact bumpers would cover half the light. I went another direction w/my car so they will not get used on the 73 but I'm thinking they would work for my 80. I have rear window louvers, extra hatch wing, hood scoops and the taillights on the 80 look bigger and the comet lights look like they would be a much better fit on it than the 73..

I cut-n-paste a pic on one of the pictures of your car to give you an idea what I'm talking about. I think the lights would actually be a little bigger than they look in the cut-n-paste, not much, but you get the idea.

and here's a link to an Ebay search for comet tail lights

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=comet+tail+lights&category0=&submitSearch=Search
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

mrpinto

Well, the pace is SLOWWWWWWWWWW on the old Pinto. I only get a couple days a week at it, but I'm keeping at it.

A few more pics on the progress.

Late summer, a sad state and lots of nasty superises under the paint!! :o


Hours of a wire wheel. Conned my brother into helping with the dirty work! ;D


Both sides behinds the rear window were rusted/cracked badly, and needed some new metal.


Got the early style fenders and hood in place. Found out later after a few hours of stripping and grinding that I need a new hood. :mad:


Found some espessially nasty areas in the rear wheel well area.


Here's where I find out the other side is just as bad!!


Disgusted! :hangover:, this thing is NEVER gonna get done!!!


Current state. Still lots of work ahead, but it's coming along. MAN I hate dents!! >:(


Got the rear spoiler (Thanks Don!) molded in. Looks great! Also got rid of the side marker lights as you can see.


Another shot of the spoiler. I'm going to smooth out that area where the quarters meet the rear panel to clean things up. I need ideas for custom tailights. ???


That's all for now.
1979 302 Pinto Custom
1971 460 Drag Pinto

High_Horse

Keep at it MrPinto. I drive my Pinto daily(well not when it rains). Keep the pictures comming as so we may all share in your Pinto project. I know I appreciate it.

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                                                                                         #226
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

80pinto302

thanks for that, haha. Keep us posted and good luck with everything im very interrested in how she turns out.
1980 pinto 302 c4 auto 4:10's
got my full lisence! wooo

mrpinto

Some pics after I started taking it apart. Floor wasn't too bad, but some rust issues. Driver's side being the worst. Trunk area was in great shape.




1979 302 Pinto Custom
1971 460 Drag Pinto

mrpinto

Quote from: 80pinto302 on October 23, 2006, 08:56:02 PM
mannnnnnnn, that pintos could be some sharp with some paint, i have a stupid question do you know what size tires are on the back and front of the car ( i like the stance it makes)

I have 275 50R 15's on the back, and 14's on the front. Not exactly sure of the size off the top of my head.
1979 302 Pinto Custom
1971 460 Drag Pinto

80pinto302

mannnnnnnn, that pintos could be some sharp with some paint, i have a stupid question do you know what size tires are on the back and front of the car ( i like the stance it makes)
1980 pinto 302 c4 auto 4:10's
got my full lisence! wooo

mrpinto

This is the main donor car. '78 sedan. Got it for $300 with the intentions of fixing it up, then found out the car is totally rotted underneath. (When we lifted the front, the rear spring perches sunk into the car!!) But it has a really good solid set of fenders, and the doors look to be in very good shape, much better than on the 79. (The window frame rusted completely off on the rear of the driver's door!)


It's a shame the car is so rotted, because the body is in such good shape.
1979 302 Pinto Custom
1971 460 Drag Pinto