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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Borg Warner T-5 speed install

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Pinto5.0

This thread has most of the info I'm after but it doesn't reference the stepped dowel pins. Does anyone have a source for them? I remember someone on here was making them.

What is the part number & manufacturer of the 10 spline disc that fits the 2.0 pressure plate? 

I've seen how Turbopinto72 got the upper holes to work but has anyone tried welding some material to the bellhousing to bolt to the 2.0 upper holes?
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Pinto5.0

Here is the post I made on the D5 & D9 bellhousings. They aren't too hard to dig up but they aren't cheap. I haven't decided which one will go in which car yet.

http://www.fordpinto.com/pinto-faq/comparison-between-d5-d9-direct-pull-bellhousings/

For a clutch I picked up an '87 TurboCoupe flywheel part#50-703 through Advance Auto Parts & I got the TurboCoupe clutch kit part #MU47827-1 since you need a 10 spline clutch disc to use with the T-5. I also Have the complete clutch/flywheel assembly that's in my '87 Mustang parts car. This should be virtually the same as the new one.

None of my T-5's are from turbo cars but they are all 4 cylinder versions that take a speedo cable.

I think any 2.3 starter works. I have never heard anything to the contrary.
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

Wittsend

Hello,
  Welcome to the world of Pinto's.  I see that you are commenting off a post that is nearly 6 years old.  A number of years ago "Pintony" was barred from posting to this forum. I will leave it to someone higher up in the PCCA to explain why.   Additionally, Pintony was not a fan of converting a '71-'73 Pinto from stock (in most cases).  That said, I have a '73 wagon that I have converted to 2.3 Turbo and a T-5.  I'll do my best to answer your questions:


1 & 2 . The T-5 had only one ratio set with the 2.3 motor. Mine is a '88 ('87 is the same) T-5 and I converted to an '86 bellcrank. The '87-'88 hydraulic (at least as used in the Turbo Coupe) is NOT the way to go. I'd recommend the bellcrank because of availability and the fact that the arm needs to be bent slightly to align (when moving the cable upward to clear the suspension crossmember).

3. I assume you are talking about the transmission crossmember. Reverse it and slot the bolt holes. I slotted ALL the holes to give a little flexibility. If your talking about the suspension crossmember I cleared the cable over it by using a small metal plate (with two holes) that bolted to the original cable hole and then the cable. It moved the cable upwards and slightly outwards.

4. I believe all the 2.3 clutches are basically the same.  The clutch and pressure plate from the '86 I got the bellhousing from looked great and I used them on my '88 flywheel.

5. I have no experience with the D-4, D-9 bellhousings.

6. I think the Turbo trans was rated to the engine output. Not sure if non-turbos were rated differently The input shaft for sure is a different length than the V-8 transmissions.

7. I swapped over from a C-4 automatic and I just reused that mount.  The '87-'88 Turbo Coupes has a round mount that if it even would work needs fabrication to use.

8. Yes, the transmission crossmember bolt holes (as stated above) will need to be slotted.

9. Shift mods will depend on your size and preferred driving position.  I made a plate to move the shifter back about 2" as well as shortened it by cutting and welding. It is my opinion that the shifter is too far forward. I also feel the shifter is too long. But, I'm 6' tall, long waist-ed and prefer my legs out straight.

10. I'll make a guess on the starter motor and say no, it shouldn't be an issue but can't confirm for sure.

If you search my posts "Wittsend" you can see write-ups and pictures of the swap.  Hope this helps.

Tom

earthwizard

Hello Pintony. I'm want to install a t-5 trans into my 2.3L 1973 Pinto sation wagon. I have read everything I can. I still have some questions if you could help me out that would be cool. I'm looking for WC T-5 trans with the bell crank type of bellhousing, if I'm not mistaken. I found A 1987 T-Bird turbo trans, complete from flywheel to shifter.

Q. Is the 1985-1986 Thunderbird 2.3 Turbo trans a better set up than the 1987 2.3 Turbo, for this mod?
     a. Are they the same? Besides the gear ratio's?

Q. To use a cable type clutch vs hydraulic. What is going to be the best bell housing to use?
     a. The Original one from the 1987 T-Bird?
     b. A D4 or D9 has been mentioned?

Q. What mods will need to be done to the crossmember with my future set up?
     a. Flip the crossmember 180*?
     b. Notch the crossmember?
     c. Build a custom bracket off the bellhousing to accommodate cable hookup?

Q.  If I was to use a D4 or D9 bellhousing can I still use the T-Bird factory clutch?

Q. Will I need to modify my bellhousing, when using the 2.3L engine?

Q. Is a T-5 Thunderbird 2.3L Turbo trans better than a non turbo trans?

Q. Will I need to use a different trans mount?

Q. Will I need to notch the trans mount?

Q. Will the stock shifter from the T-Bird need mods?

Q. Does any of these mods with the Flywheel/clutch assembly effect the starter motor?

I'm sure I have more questions. Let's see how this works out first. Thanks' for any and all help! :-\

gearhead440

Thanks Pintony!  You are the man :male: !
Speed is only a question of money: Just how fast do you want to go?

Pintony

Hello gearhead440,
I used the stock Pinto clutch cable. I did have to take the mounting tab loos from the inner fender but I'm not sure how the later Pinto cable runs.
Some have said that the cross member is in the way on the 74 up Pintos when using the "bell-crank type bellhouse".
You may not have this problem as you are using the V8 bellAgain my T-5 install was for a 2.0 I4 install your V8 conversion may vary from what I did.
From Pintony 

gearhead440

Pintony,
When you installed your T-5, did you use the cable operated clutch like the 4 speed pinto used or did you have to get creative to make everything work properly?  I'll be doing a 302 / T-5 install soon and would like to use the existing 4 speed clutch cable system if possible, or I have hydraulic slave / master cylinder on the shelf if need be.  Thanks!
Speed is only a question of money: Just how fast do you want to go?


Pintony

Hello Pinto_Girl,
  Yes My T5 is working great!
The re-build and install is an outstanding improvement over the 4 speed Hummer tranny.
Actually I have had my T5 in my P.P. since 1995.

Do you have any idea what rear axel ratio you have??
I'm running a 4.11  so I really need the overdrive.
My last Turbo Pinto had 4.62 gears W/ no overdrive.
But I was young then and it did not bother me. ;D
Gas was only 65-75 cents too!

I will help anyway I can.
The most important piece is the modified Bell house for the 2.0
Lucky, WE having the early Pinto do not have the cable issues like the late model Pinto does.
From Pintony

Pinto_Girl

All hail, Pintony!!

I was just thinking to myself the other day, as I was watching traffic passing me in my (badly vibrating) rear view mirror, how nice it would be if my '73 had one more gear.

The engine's freshly rebuilt but the gearbox is a little tired and cranky.

This older guy I know suggested a Columbia two speed rear end(!?!) which, aside from actually finding/refurbishing/adapting/installing such a thing, still doesn't address rebuilding the stock 4-speed.

I'm still trying to catch up with y'all---Pintony, sounds like you'd already fit a T5 into your 2.0L...? Have you published a 'how to' or ever thought about it? I'd *definitely* be willing to pay/make a donation/volunteer in exchange for reasonably complete documentation of the swap.

--Pinto Girl

DragonWagon

Ok thanks for the info guys. I'll do some more junkyard scrounging when I have time... and it stops raining. I need to find an 8" rearend and a driveline anyway. Is there a cheat sheet of 8" numbers out there? Like the T5 one. A lot of this is new to me, so the more info the better.
1976 mpg Wagon. The start of it all.
1977 Cruising Wagon, to be turboed.
1979 glass hatchback. No motor atm.
1980 wagon parts car.

77turbopinto

The D9 bell (4spd.) will bolt to a t-5 and will keep you from having to notch the crossmember.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Pintony

Hello DragonWagon,
You really need a T5 bell.
Yes Hanlon was the best kit. Not the cheepest though.
From Pintony

DragonWagon

So Pintony, are you still happy with the Hanlan T5 kit? I just picked up a tranny and will be rebuilding it with the help of this thread and also this excellent pdf as a reference guide.

http://www.ttcautomotive.com/English/media/pdfs_autogen/T-5_Service_Manual.pdf

Unfortunately, my T5 didn't come with the bell housing. Can I use my stock 4sp BH on the T5?
1976 mpg Wagon. The start of it all.
1977 Cruising Wagon, to be turboed.
1979 glass hatchback. No motor atm.
1980 wagon parts car.

jamnjm

I'm converting my 1.3 mile oval track Capri 2 with a 2.3 to try road racing and I found this site to help on trans selection:
http://ddperformance.com/Trans%20ID%20chart.htm
What I'm looking for is a 2.3 T5 from a '91-'93 which has the closest ratios...anyone In So. Calif. area have one?

TIGGER

Rob, I would lean more towards the Turbo Coupe 5spd if it is in good shape.  My 86-1/2 Turbo Coupe came with a Hurst short throw shifter from the factory.  I am running a Steeda Tri-ax in my Mustang and I love it.  It has been one of the most enjoyable mods I have made to date, IMO.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

osiyo59

Tony, I have located several t5's in a local wrecker. One is in a 2.3 turbo coupe and the others are in n/a 2.3 mustangs. Which would be the better gearbox? Also, I checked with my local transmission shop and they said about 700 to rebuild it (bench job, no install) How difficult are they to go through (the right way)? I really don't want to fork out the bucks if I could do it my self. I do have access to the presses to take care of the bearing races.Thanks...Rob
1966 Mercury M100 Custom Cab 5.8L EFI/AOD
1973 Pinto Wagon Daily driver (For Sale in Classifieds)
1973 Pinto Squire 2.0EFI/Turbo

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DragonWagon

Cool, thanks. It's always nice to have confirmation that I might have some idea what I'm doing!
1976 mpg Wagon. The start of it all.
1977 Cruising Wagon, to be turboed.
1979 glass hatchback. No motor atm.
1980 wagon parts car.

Pintony

Hello DragonWagon,
Your 1352 209 spces. out just like my 162. Same gears and input shaft length.
You just want to stay away from the 1351 tranny.
From Pintony

DragonWagon

Just have to say THANKS Pintony, and to the rest of you out there who so freely share your Pinto wisedom. This site and all it's resources is invaluble! I raise a toast to you all!  :drunk:

Ok, back to business. I've located a T5 and from what I'm seeing in the ID chart, I'm guessing that it is a WC tranny. It is a 1352-209. It has the same spec's as your 162. Am correct in this assumption? WC T5 2.3.
1976 mpg Wagon. The start of it all.
1977 Cruising Wagon, to be turboed.
1979 glass hatchback. No motor atm.
1980 wagon parts car.

Pintony

You have to mike the shims to find the correct one.
Then re-install the front bearing retainer and check the end play again.
I actually ended up using a .025 shim to get 0 end-play.

Pintony

Hello Group,
I have my T-5 back in my P.P. tonight.
Here is a shot me checking and setting the end play.
The end play should be 0 so I need a .022 thick shim.


Pintony

Still tring to decide what to do about a clutch for my T-5 install.
I can not seen to find a suitable solution that is NOT 300+ BUCKS.
From Pintony

turbopinto72

Quote from: Pintony on November 13, 2005, 01:10:31 PM
I FOUND THE NOISE!


Yeah....Tony.Um I dont think there is supose to be a screwdriver between the clutch disc and the flywheel............ ::) :o. Im sure that caused a bunch of noise................... :police: ;D ;)
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Pintony


Pintony

When I removed the 2 rear U-bolts they were not real tight? But NOT LOOSE.
There is no marks on the u-joint caps and the yoke is NEW and in perfect condition.
I replaced the tailshaft bushing to match up with the new yoke before installing the first time.

Pintony

Hello Group,
Here I have my old T-5 Transmission out of my Purple Pinto.
I already took the input shaft out and did not find "ANY" reason for the noise I was experiencing.
The input shaft has some small wear on the spline where the clutch disc rides.
The end-play is non-existant! It rotates good W/O any "UNUSUAL" noise???
I am puzzeled again as to what was causing the noise I'm hearing???
From Pintony

ETPinto

Thank You  ;D  I am collecting information from the many and sundry sources for this conversion....Maybe I'll build an instruction manual with photos, Hmmmmm.
Thanks again.

Pintony

Quote from: ETPinto on November 10, 2005, 09:34:09 PM
  So Pintony,
How much $$$.$$ total in parts for the WC rebuild.....and will there be more coming on the mods for the install.  Lots of photos will make sure all your Pintos go to heaven with you...lol.

I wont be converting untill summer 06, but when I do it will be a WC/2.0 car.
  Forgive my lack of research,  please let me throw a few ?s  out to you. 

Do 2.0/2.3 motors from pintos use different bellhousing with same 4spd ?
If so
Will a 2.3 4spd BH bolt to a WC t-5, and is it the proper depth for input shaft ?
Does 2.0 flywheel accept proper clutch/pressure plate for the t-5
Is end of input shaft proper diameter for 2.0 pilot bearing
Thanks  ;D

Wow!
Those are great questions!
I have many more photos to share with this group.
The rebuild kit I used came from Hanlon. 169.00 + shipping and I also purchased the 1st gear roller bearing +36.00.
This kit comes complete with all the goodies.
I will be showing the diference between 2 kits that I bought from different supplyers.
BIG Difference! In the amount of parts small difference in the Price.
To answer your direct questions
1.Q, Do 2.0/2.3 motors from pintos use different bellhousing with same 4spd ?
   A, The Ford Pinto used the EXACT same bell bolt pattern for the 2.0 and 2.3 "4SPD"
       To use the T5 bell on a 2.0 you will have to modify to use all 6 bolts.

2. Q, Will a 2.3 4spd BH bolt to a WC t-5, and is it the proper depth for input shaft ?
   A, I do not think the borg warner T-5 will bolt to the Hummer 4spd tranny????????

3. Q, Does 2.0 flywheel accept proper clutch/pressure plate for the t-5?
    A, The stock Pinto clutch can be used BUT you have to use the 10 spline disc
          The bigger clutch assy. from a Turbo T-bird will bolt directly to the 2.3 crank.

.4. Q, Is end of input shaft proper diameter for 2.0 pilot bearing/
     A, Yes

From Pintony




ETPinto

  So Pintony,
How much $$$.$$ total in parts for the WC rebuild.....and will there be more coming on the mods for the install.  Lots of photos will make sure all your Pintos go to heaven with you...lol.

I wont be converting untill summer 06, but when I do it will be a WC/2.0 car.
  Forgive my lack of research,  please let me throw a few ?s  out to you. 

Do 2.0/2.3 motors from pintos use different bellhousing with same 4spd ?
If so
Will a 2.3 4spd BH bolt to a WC t-5, and is it the proper depth for input shaft ?
Does 2.0 flywheel accept proper clutch/pressure plate for the t-5
Is end of input shaft proper diameter for 2.0 pilot bearing
Thanks  ;D