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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Not a lot of progress today.  I spent 2+ hours welding a rusty exhaust system on my son's Impala, then shortly thereafter we had a power outage.  I cleaned off the firewall with compressed air, then solvent.  Then a little bodywork on the cowl section.  I scuffed the epoxy primer I sprayed two years ago so I can re-spray.  I had intended to do that today and spray black enamel on Friday, but with the power outage, now it looks like epoxy on Friday and black next Sunday or Monday.  Hopefully those days will be at least 60 degrees so I can spray and it will cure properly.  Unfortunately, the next two weeks is supposed to have below average temps.  I checked my spray gun to be sure it would be ready and noticed the fluid tip seal was missing.  That explains why it was fluttering when I sprayed the front clip of the Impala earlier in the Summer.  Working out of town the next few days so nothing to report until at least Friday.
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Progress today: I caulked all the seams in the firewall.  I use 30-year silicone caulk vs seam sealer.  Works just fine.  In an early part of the project when this thing was going to be a trike, I had cut the cowl off the firewall.  After deciding to make it a shortened 4-wheeled buggy I had to weld the cowl back to the firewall.  It wasn't a fun job as I was welding jagged sawzalled edges through seal sealer that catches on fire.  Almost as bad as welding the roof on through lead filler!  Anyway, the seams needed caulking.  I also caulked the floor patch seams.  I welded all the connecting points of my brake pedal/steering column mount.  Now it is rock solid.  Don't mock my welding on the left side...the thing was still in the car when I fabbed and tacked it together in an awkward position with under dash stuff in the way.  Doing the rest in the vice came out much better!  I welded the steering shaft to the u-joint and the two shafts together and primed. Lastly, I made the defrost damper into the defrost plenum block off plate so now all warm air will be directed to the under dash heater outlets.  I ordered the new heater core last evening so I will be able to button up the heater box by next weekend.  Tomorrow I have to do some Impala exhaust work so my progress will be less than I want. 
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Substantial progress is my hope and plan, and also get my PTO bank down to the 56 hour carryover threshold so I don't lose any.  I have "donated" lots of vacation time over the years and it's use or lose.  Just recently NY mandates a 56 hour carryover policy. 

Unfortunately our weather has taken a turn for the worse.  Our high temps are only going to be in the 50's and low 60's for the rest of the month (normal) which isn't optimal for body work and paint but that's part of my short term plans.  Not final body paint, but a little filler, sanding, epoxy primer and black enamel. 

I think I will install the header since the firewall is off as it will probably be easier to fit that way,  That means I should probably get the rest of the exhaust system figured out, purchased, and installed.  Like everything with this project, it's figure it out as I go.  I originally wanted to repurpose parts of the single exhaust I took off my Mustang 30 years ago but it comes down the wrong side of the car and over the wrong side of the rear axle.  I may be able to cut it, re-position it, and weld it back together.  I'll have to see if that's possible.  Otherwise I'll have to buy a 65-66 6-cyl Mustang intermediate pipe and slightly modify it to make it work.  Then it will be fuel supply and return lines.  Every bit I do gets me closer to completion.  Then I can have fun driving and showing it and doing other things that aren't getting done!  I will report more later after today's tasks are complete.
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dga57

Those four-day weekends all this month should be a real boost to your efforts!  I love your updates!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

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Today I disassembled and cleaned the heater box.  The mouse nest is now gone. the dead, dried up mouse that was caught in the blower wheel is gone.  I test fit it, then tried to put the dash in place.  The cowl duct wouldn't fit under the dash.  I cut that section off and now it fits with the dash in place.  It pulls incoming air from under the dash now.  The temperature damper will still be used to have heat or no heat.  The fresh air vents and defrost ducting and outlets won't be used and have metal welded over the former outlets.  Since I won't have a windshield or a need for the defroster, I removed the heat/defrost damper and will repurpose it to block off the top of the plenum that formerly fed the defrost duct.  I will lose the glovebox storage area.  The heater box takes up that entire under dash space with the narrowed cowl and dash.  I don't know if I will use the heat but it is there in case I need it.  I will be ordering a new heater core. The existing looks to be in good shape and appears to be original.  I'm not taking the chance so a new one will go in before assembly.    Yesterday I finished with my steering column bracing so today I removed the steering column and bracing and then the firewall/dash/tranny hump.  It will get a good cleaning, caulking, then primer/paint.  Then I can reinstall permanently and start the completion process.  Tomorrow I will weld my under dash support brackets solidly while the assembly is out of the car.  I will solidly weld the steering shaft to the u-joint while it is out of the car too.    I have a little more body work to do on the dash and cowl.  This part of the project has been tedious and once done it will go together much more quickly.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
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I cut the headlight buckets off the header panel.  It is fiberglass so my cutoff wheel made it a quick, easy job.  I am making a "nose cone" with the '74 grill to cover the radiator.  I will try to get  the grill installed in the header and mock up the header panel, front bumper and headlight assemblies that are supposed to arrive from Speedway today so I (and you all) can see what the front end is going to look like.  I will have to remove everything afterward and do some sanding, welding, and prepping for primer and paint.   The header panel needs to be massaged with some body filler to get it ready.  I repaired the crack in the lower left (right as you look at the pic) corner with epoxy and did some rough sanding to smooth it out a bit. I will reinforce with some strapping and tiger hair, then massage the whole thing.    I am entering my marathon stage with Fridays and Mondays scheduled off from work through the month of October so am going to try to get as much done as possible over the next few weeks. 
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You and me both...Last year I was able to stay on it through November and even did a little bit in December.  The problem I have is that once Winter comes, I am in the Propane business and it is our busy season, not to mention, I end up with 6 cars, two motorcycles, and a bunch of other stuff in the garage so I can't get to this thing until Spring.  I will keep plugging away while the weather cooperates.  I am taking off Fridays and Mondays through October starting this Friday so I don't lose vacation days and I should get some more done.  I removed the vice grips from the header panel this AM before I left for work and it stayed together so the epoxy held.  I will massage it later in the week and make it stronger and prettier.
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Wittsend

Hoping winter delayith its coming. Then thou may completeith thy project! :)


OK, I left this as it appears (there actually it text before the smiley face). SO MANY TIMES I will type in the default 10pt type..., and when it posts to the forum the font is teeny-tiny! Why? Typically it happens when I back space more than once. It never shows in the typing pane as small but it switches to the tiny font AFTER I SEND IT. This has happened at least 100+ times. The only solution seems to be after I type I need to highlight the text, go to the Font Size and select the 10 pt. (even though it is already 10 pt.) and THEN it actually appears as a 10pt. font and not something miniscule.

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Some progress but not a lot.  I plumbed in the rear brake line and the port from the master cylinder to the inlet of the distribution block.  All brake lines are now in place.  I didn't tighten those at the MC as I am going to bench bleed the MC in the car.  I made up lines that will return the fluid to the MC so I don't have to take it from the vice to the car and install it full of brake fluid.  I fabbed some additional steering column supports and did some trimming of other home made supports under the dash so I can actually get the dash in its proper place.  One of my under dash supports was in the way so I trimmed it and relocated another one ever so slightly so it was no longer in the way.   I got the heater box out of its hiding place so I can see if will fit under the modified dash.  It is going to be an open air roadster but If I can make the heat work, it will be one less thing for my wife to complain about.  If I can make it fit, I will likely have to modify the glove compartment: make it less deep, or hopefully not, eliminate it altogether.  If I can make the Heater Assy fit I will replace the heater core before permanently installing.  Today I also realized that my supposedly 75-78 Mustang II grill is really from a 74 and doesn't quite fit the 76 or 77 header panel I recently procured.  74 was a one year - only design.  The good news is it's in really good shape considering the year and I can modify the grill and header panel to make it work.  The header panel was broken in the lower left corner so I epoxied it together.  It will be completely cured by morning.  I will  put in a "splint" to strengthen the joint (perforated strapping), then fiberglass and body filler it to hide the repair.  I am going to have to cut off the mounting tabs and fab my own to mate the 74 grill to the 76-77 header panel.  Hopefully it will be for the most part un-noticeable.  Hopefully in the next couple of weeks I will have all the dash and firewall work done so I can remove it, and do a final prime/paint, then permanently reinstall so I can get closer to running.  As always, I will post progress until it gets put away for the Winter. 
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Not a ton of progress this weekend.  A few tidbits...I keep trying to reinforce and strengthen my steering column mount.  I found that a bracket that I removed from under the dash during Pinto disassembly was just about the right dimension for the right side mount.  I believe it to be a bit more sturdy than the threaded rod I had previously used.  I have no idea what it used to support or connect, but it found a new home.  I have an idea for additional bracing of what is left of the brake pedal mount that used to double as the steering column mount in its original configuration.  Hopefully that will stiffen things up a bit more.  As a reminder, by sectioning the cowl, I lost a lot of under dash space so it's engineer it as I go.  Another thing I did was to weld the endcaps back onto the dash.  My blunder of narrowing the dash has caused me days of extra work that still isn't done!  I also ran the brake line from the distribution block to the rear of the car but I need to return the 2nd 40" line I bought and (hopefully) get a 30".  That should allow me to tie it in at the rear junction block and finish the brake line plumbing.  I am hoping next weekend allows for more project work.  I lost a lot of time preparing my shop for a woman party she held today so that's behind me.  I'll report more as I go...
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I'm with you on critters, especially any kind of rodent!  I even have recurring nightmares featuring rodents of all types that nip at me!
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Wittsend


Wow, sounds like a real world version of those Dodge Hornet TV Ads! Hope you recover soon.

Years ago I lifted up a loosely fitting rear seat in one of my old, long sitting cars as I was curious how far rust extended. I plunged my hand between the two seat halves and yanked the bottom section upward. To my immediate horror was a Opossum with its gnarly teeth inches from where I had just plunged my hand between the seats.  I've been a suburban boy all my life and we never had pets. So, "Critters" are not something I'm fond of. I think in 1/2 second and taking all of three steps I was 50 feet away.

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Very little progress this past weekend.  I had good intentions, but...on Saturday I decided to weed my garden.  I had a full wheelbarrow and went out to the hedgerow to my dumping spot.  Upon exiting I got attacked by a swarm of yellow jackets.  I took off running with them chasing.  I began beating them as much as I could.  I was wearing shorts so my left leg and arm got the worst of it with some on the right leg.  They were down in my left boot, in my left glove and anywhere else they could torture me!  In the process of beating them off, I reinjured my left arm to a point that I am in more pain than I had with the original injury on July 23.  I tore my left distal bicep tendon.  It didn't detach but slight tear.  Anyway, between the sore arm and the swollen arm and leg, I laid low and did nothing on my project.  Today I removed the brace that connects the top and bottom of the radiator support and removed the grill and brackets from the header panel I got over Labor Day weekend so I can start planning how I am going to mount it.  That's it...nothing else done.  I will be heading to Ocean City MD tomorrow AM for a few days of R&R...more for my wife than me.  I have used vacation days to work on my project and other things for me so I figured I better do something for her before I have to hear about it!   I won't get to work on it again until 9/23...
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I've had the 67 for about 29 years...it was a special order car (Silver Frost paint), and otherwise nicely optioned for 1967.  I "unprofessionally" restored it starting in the Spring of 1995 and it took me until 2008 to drive it again.  I did everything myself except tranny rebuild and final body prep and paint.  All done in between building a career, part time military, raising babies/children, and other life duties.  Kinda like my current project.  I do so many other things that get in the way of my auto projects...

Thank you for the compliment on my car and yes, it was a fun event.   
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dga57

That's a pretty sharp looking '67 you've got there!  Looks like a fun event!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

I am going to try to make some progress over the next few days but have been working out of town quite a bit.  Fall and then Winter will be here soon so that will put an end to my progress.  I have to make hay while the sun shines!  I hope to have some more to report over the next few days...

Unrelated content: yesterday I attended the Vintage Grand Prix festivities in Watkins Glen NY.  The Mustang Club I was a member of when we lived in PA had been invited to display cars at a former Ford Dealership on the main drag so I joined them.  I had my '67 on display amongst the Shelbys, Cobras, late models, and other fine rides.  Mine got a lot of attention!  It's the sliver fastback in the first attached pic.  It was quite an event.  There were various road rallies and a parade of cars throughout the day.  Corvette was the featured car for this year but there was a variety from Corvettes to MGs, Porsches, Mustangs, Lotus, Ferraris, American Muscle, etc, etc.  It's a festival for all car enthusiasts.  Unfortunately I didn't see any Pintos or Mustang IIs...
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dga57

Looks like it's coming right along nicely!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

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Yesterday I did some Bondo work on my dash.  I think it will look OK after my cutting and welding surgery.  I wish I had never sectioned it but there is no going back.  I think I am going to cut the Mustang II header panel at the green masking tape then blend it into the radiator support.  I am going to try to attach a screen shot of the Dietz-style headlamps I am planning to use.   
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Yes, it reinforces the fact that it is a Mustang coming toward you!  I thought about a '67 grill, then an '05-'09 grill, then I remembered the under-appreciated cousin, Mustang II and decided that would provide a better fit and the look I was after.  The header panels are outrageously priced on e-bay; I was fortunate to find this one locally from a guy I have met at car shows.  He has a '77 Mustang II Hatchback and he had two of them.  I was able to buy the one in worse shape for a fair price so I'm happy.  I'll have to do some fab work to mount it, then decide how I want to blend the panel into the radiator support.  I will be out of the garage soon to make a little more progress on the dash.  The sooner I can get everything mocked up and fitting correctly, the sooner I can take it all apart so I can get the firewall sealed up and another prime/paint session, then reinstall.
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dga57

I think that will provide good contrast to the 1967 Mustang styling at the rear. 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

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Today I acquired a Mustang II header panel.  I am going to mount it like a nose cone and build a shroud around it to blend it into the radiator support.  I already had a grill that included the running lights and pony and will use them instead of what came with this assembly.  It is in better shape.  This one appears to have been from a Cobra II and the Cobra emblem is missing.  The grill and running lights have some damage.  There is also a crack on the lower part but I can repair it and it will be more than suitable for my application.  I am likely going to cut the headlight sections off and use what is known as Dietz Style headlamps instead to keep everything narrower.  I'm not 100% sure on that but I don't want the nose to be as wide as it would be with the factory headlights.  Pic attached and just sitting on the bumper mounts for a "what will it look like?" shot.  Any thoughts on this?
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If I can get sufficient time on this I may be able to drive it around my circle before I put it away for the Winter.  It won't be painted till Spring but I may be able to get it running, rolling, and stopping in the next couple of months.  I have been working out of town and out of state at times so it's hard to stay on it for any duration.  My issues with my steering column are related to my sectioning (narrowing) the cowl and dash and losing that under dash space.  I had to shorted the steering shaft and the column is going to be a bit to the right so the ignition switch isn't in the way of the instrument cluster and dash.  I think I can "mask" it to make it look presentable.  Also, the position has to allow me to get in and out of the cockpit but not be so far forward that it's a long reach for the steering wheel.  ANyway, it has been quite a project...:)
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Good to see you making progress. Yes, I thought the site had seen its last post. It was THREE WEEKS between posts. I've often contrasted this site with the Corvair site I'm on. Both the Pinto and the Corvair have similar build numbers over same number of (nine) years. Yet here we had one post in three weeks. On the Corvair site we get about three posts in 15 minutes. And the irony is this is the ONLY Pinto site. Corvairs have two large sites and a number of lesser sites. If this site ever folds (hope it doesn't) I hope they offer and the Mustang II site accepts the historic posts from here. After all the Mustang II and the Pinto share a common platform.

I've also had to fiddle the steering column. I used the tilt column from my donor Turbo Coupe. It actually fit rather well but the adaptation of the column to rack was a bit of work. I found a more appropriate joint in the wrecking yard (newer Mustang) but had to hand grind the mating ends to fit. It will be interesting to see the final product. Hope you can post a video to YT showing it driving around.

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It's been a month since I last posted, mainly because the progress I've made on my project has been hard to quantify, but also because of lack of activity on the site.  I'm happy to see that there are some recent posts, so I decided to update you on my progress.  I have been working to mount the steering column. I ran the brake lines but the long one from the proportioning valve/distribution block to the rear.  Two years ago I cut about 3" out of each end of the dash, thinking I had to narrow everything but realized it wasn't necessary.  After realizing my mistake I have dreaded the reconstruction but I did it last week.  Luckily I saved the steel I had cut out...I must have known I might need it!  I put tiger hair over the seams and roughly sanded/shaped it.  Next will be regular body filler to hide my scabbed work.  It will look decent...I wish I hadn't cut it apart!  I also took 3" out of the top of the dash and welded it together.  That will also get some additional body treatment.  I have struggled supporting the steering column.  When I narrowed the cowl I lost some of the under dash space where the brake pedal mount was also the steering column mount.  I had to modify (cut) the mount, then put a spacer between the master cylinder and firewall to get the right brake pedal height.  I fabbed a bracket and used some threaded rod for the forward steering column mount, but I need to come up with another way to reinforce the setup at the rearward mounts.  It will come to me one of these nights that I can't sleep!  As you've heard me say before, everything about this project is an engineering (and sometimes re-engineering) feat.  Everything I am doing will have to come back apart so I can remove the firewall/cowl/trans hump so I can seam seal,, then prime and paint again.  I'll be glad when it is done. 
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Yesterday (Sunday) I performed surgery on the steering column.  I cut 5" out of the middle of the steering column tube to account for the 8" I cut out of the cowl.  I did this in order to move the column mounts closer to the steering wheel.  I had to weld the two parts together, then grind smooth and prime/paint.  I had to section it in the center has the lower end of the tube has the steering shaft bearing and has dimples that hold the lower mount in place.  It's hard to describe if you haven't gotten up close and personal with your steering column.  Anyway, I think what I did will provide me with the clearance I need.  I received my u-joint so now I need to attach the u-joint to the steering tack input, then position the steering wheel where I can comfortable reach it while still being able to get in and out of the cockpit, then weld the shaft and u-joint together.  Again hard to describe if you aren't here to see it.  This coming weekend I will test fit it and figure out how I am going to secure the column into its position.
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Of course, nothing on this project is cut and dry or easy.  Since I removed 8" from the center of the cowl and 3" out of the center of the dash, the brake pedal mount didn't fit and impinged on other under dash components.  I had to cut the mount to get the brake pedal up and in place.  I have a little more trimming to do on it but it all has to come back out anyway so I will do it later.  The next issue is the brake pedal mount is also the steering column mount so now the mounting points on the column are in the "wrong" spots and since the brake pedal mount has been modified (cut), I have to engineer a way to mount the steering column.  I spent time yesterday disassembling the column and brainstormed a way to modify the tube to move the mounting points up the shaft closer to the steering wheel to figure a way to make the mounting point not impinge on the brake pedal travel.  It is going to involve cutting a section out of the steering column tube then re-welding.  I need to figure out a way to secure the column it the proper position  I am going to have to cut a section out of the steering shaft but not going to do that until after I receive my u-joint and mount it on the steering rack input.  I will use my best effort to measure and hopefully not mess this up.

I did make some other progress yesterday.  I installed the rear shocks.  I installed the front brake hoses.  They are 18" and another 4" of length would have been nice.  I'll have t see how it works and will change out if necessary.  I wanted to install the rear section of exhaust, but unfortunately, the single exhaust I removed from my Mustang years ago was from a V8 and the single exhaust intermediate travels down the left side of the car and I need it to travel down the right side of the car.  I'll get that figured out.

Heading out to the shop now.  Hopefully I can report success on the steering column project. 
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I think the next mission will be to mount the brake pedal assembly, mainly so I can secure the steering column in place so I can figure out what I'll need to connect the shaft to the steering rack input.  I need to see if the u-joint will have to be 3/4 round or 3/4 double D at the column shaft end.  I was wracking my brain on how the column was mounted and was looking through all my Pinto parts and didn't find what I was looking for.  Finally I looked at the brake pedal assy and saw that it is what the steering column mounts to.  I will try to mock up whatever I can under the dash so I can figure out how all that will go together and see what I have to modify to make it all work with the narrowed cowl and dash.  More to come...
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All I got done today was to torque the control arm mounting hardware and the steering rack mounting bolts.  I test fit the steering wheel/column and realized that even after removing the factory u-joint and 3/4 round shaft, I may have to cut it even shorter.  I didn't have time to mess with it but will have to put my engineering cap on to figure out how to connect the shaft to the rack, but also how to mount the column to the dash.  I also have to re-engineer the way the brake pedal assemble mounts under the dash.  I modified the dash and cowl so I have less room than a stock Pinto.  Where there's a will, there's a way...
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Yesterday I got it on 4 wheels and removed the caster.  I had to use wheel adapters to get from the 5 lug 4.5 hub/rotors to the 4 lug 4.5 rims I am using.  They are two piece adapters,  I had to cut about 1/4" off the hub studs so the two halves would mate properly.  They widened the front track a bit but from what I have read, it should offer more stability in turns which is good considering the short wheelbase.  I bought 225 60-15 tires for all four corners.  In retrospect I should have bought a smaller, narrower tire for the front.  My thought was that with all 4 the same, I can rotate properly for maximum tire life.  I don't think this will get many miles and it would look better with smaller, narrower tires up front.  Let me know what you think.  Anyway, I loosened the upper control arm pass through nuts and the lower control arm mounting bolts and bounced the suspension several times as advised in the kit.  I will torque to spec this AM when I get out in the shop.

I also plumbed in the rear brake lines and secured the rear axle vent hose through the grommet that routes and terminates the end into the frame. 

I don't know what's next.  I have a abbreviated garage day today.  We are hosting my father in law's birthday party so I can't get into anything too deep or too dirty.  I may test fit and fab mounting brackets for the grill.  It's starting to look cool so I want to see it in a more "finished" state.  I need to get the steering shaft universal joint.  I think I can use a 3/4-36 end at the rack input end and a weld-on 3/4 round after I cut the original Pinto rag joint mount and get it to the correct length.  I may mess with that a bit too.

I will continue to report progress...
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Last weekend my focus was the Impala paint job so I didn't do much (really nothing) on my project.  With the Impala paint behind me, I made good progress on my Pinto-Mustang Roadster this weekend.  Yesterday (Saturday} I fabricated, test fit, welded, and painted my transmission lowering mounts.  I used 1 1/2" square tubing and 1" flat stock.  They fit perfectly and will do the job is intended.  Today I assembled the front end.  I had fit everything last Fall and left everything finger tight.  Today I torqued the T-bolts that hold the upper control arms in place, torqued the upper and lower ball jpoints, re-installed the strut rods, sway bar links, and caliper brackets (all painted last weekend with the Impala).  I also packed the wheel bearings and installed the rotors.  I installed the front shocks.  Earlier in the week I cut about 24" out of the center of the '67 Mustang front bumper and welded it together in an area that won't be seen.  I will mount that at a later date.  I test fit the steering column.  I think it is going to work just fine.  I am going to have to get a u-joint to adapt the rack to the column.  I may have to get a section of Double D shaft and adapt a bit.

Next weekend I need to install the front wheel spacers/adapters so I can install the 4-lug front rims.  It will then be on four tires so the front suspension can settle.  I hope I don't have to disassemble it and cut more off the coil springs.  I think it's going to be good.  I need to keep after this so I can get it done or almost done this Summer.  I still have to do some metal work and body work on the dash, then some seal sealer, then more primer and paint work.  I'm getting there...
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