Mini Classifieds

Weber dcoe intake 2.0

Date: 08/01/2018 01:09 pm
76 drivers fender
Date: 07/20/2018 08:24 pm
Clutch Cable Needed
Date: 04/03/2017 11:03 pm
71-73 Front Kick Panels
Date: 04/25/2021 07:24 pm
1974 Ford Pinto

Date: 10/16/2017 10:45 am
2.0 Cyl Head1973
Date: 11/29/2018 12:51 pm
parts needed
Date: 02/20/2017 07:58 am
Windshield
Date: 01/15/2022 09:31 pm
Wanted - 71-73 Pinto grill
Date: 12/15/2016 03:32 pm

Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

Members
Stats
  • Total Posts: 139,588
  • Total Topics: 16,268
  • Online today: 175
  • Online ever: 3,214 (June 20, 2025, 10:48:59 AM)
Users Online
  • Users: 0
  • Guests: 109
  • Total: 109
F&I...more

My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

ford-pinto.jpg

I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster

Started by rob289c, July 19, 2020, 06:19:07 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Wittsend

Progress for sure. Keep at it, it will eventual be complete. Sometime the last "mile" is the hardest.

rob289c

Every little bit gets me closer to completion...
rob289c

rob289c

Yesterday (Saturday) I sanded the urethane I sprayed last weekend.  It seems to have come out pretty nice.  Next Saturday I will wipe any residual dust off it with a damp sponge, then on Sunday, solvent wipe, then paint.  Today I sprayed various parts with interior black.  The paint is almost 50-50 leftover semi gloss and satin.  It looks pretty glossy after spraying; I hope it flattens out a bit after curing.   
rob289c

rob289c

Sprayed urethane today.  Next will be to sand it smooth, then color.  I got good coverage, but have tiger stripes.  I will have to widen the fan and open the fluid when I spray color.  The pics look similar to the previous posts, but it is a different product on the car now.  I may sand it next weekend but don't think I will spray color yet.  I need to take my time.  I have my HS reunion next weekend and have to look at a siding repair at my Mom's house.  I need to clean out the garage (sweep, leaf blower, power wash) to get and dust/debris out so I can spray in a clean environment.  I think waiting another week for color will be better in the long run.  Anyway, I made progress over the last two weeks.
rob289c

rob289c

This afternoon I sanded the truck lid, quarter panel extensions, and side scoop inserts to prepare for urethane.  I then masked the car.  Tomorrow I plan to wipe the body and other parts with solvent, then tack and spray urethane primer surfacer.  I hope to get 4 good coats, or as many as I can spray before I run out of material.  I will let it cure through the week, then sand it smooth next weekend.  At that point I will be able to spray color when my schedule allows.  Getting closer...
rob289c

rob289c

We spent T-Fri in San Antonio to watch our son graduate from Air Force Basic Training.  Like when our daughter did it a few years prior, it is a proud experience for parents. 

Project update:  before we left I had sprayed pieces/parts with epoxy.  This AM I sprayed the floor brackets, dash brackets, bumper/headlight brackets and the inside of the interior panels with black tractor enamel. 

rob289c

rob289c

This afternoon I sprayed epoxy on various brackets, the dash, glove box door, ash tray, interior panels and a few spots on the body.  I beat the storm that is just arriving.  Everything will have to sit as-is until I get back from TX.  I'm not sure on my next step.  I wasn't going to worry about primer surfacer on the dash but I think it will be better in the long run if I do.  The reconstructive bodywork is visible and the urethane might hide it a little better.  If that's next, I need to prep the body and spray it and the dash at the same time.  Once a product is mixed and in the gun, I don't want to have to mix up another batch down the road.  I want to do it all at once. 
rob289c

rob289c

Progress today:  I was out in the garage at 0600 grinding the welds I did yesterday.  Then I put away yesterday's tools, and started picking up shop.  I had to quit at 0700 to get ready to go to the barbershop.  After that and a few errands, then I pushed the car outside, blew off the dust and other debris with compressed air.  I then wiped the body and interior with a damp sponge.  I seam sealed the drip rails and the seam between the bottom of the quarter and the rocker, as well as some other areas that needed it.  I continued to rearrange, sweep, and get the garage ready to spray epoxy.  Tomorrow I start a week off from work.  I plan to shoot epoxy after running morning errands.  I won't make any other progress until next weekend as I will be going to San Antonio to watch my son graduate from Air Force Basic Training.  Next weekend I plan to spray the interior parts black.   
rob289c

rob289c

Yesterday I did something that I have thought about a lot but didn't want to do.  I tied the rear of the Pinto transmission hump to the rear floor section/driveshaft tunnel of the Mustang body.  The hump and tunnel are of different shapes and sizes so I knew it was going to be a PITA to fabricate with no special metal working tools and then getting it tacked and welded in place.  The right side was pretty easy as it was just a filler piece that with a little massaging, it went together pretty easily.  The left side was a little more complicated.  I had to fab a sort of a block off panel, then the filler piece.  Neither side is pretty, but with a little grinding, primer, seam sealer, and paint, it will be a functional repair.  It is solid and now the firewall/trans hump are tied to the rear of the body.  Like most parts of the project, it took way more time than I thought it would at the onset.  My plan is that once all together I want to cover the hump and down over the frame rails with diamond plate.  That will give it a more "finished" look.  It is still going to be a "step into" cockpit and will not have full floors.  I'll be sure to post pics when complete.

The other thing I have in work is I have a small metal shop fabricating the 9 windshield clips I will need to hold the windscreen in place at the cowl/firewall.  They are making them out of stainless so I won't have to coat them.  Not sure of ETA, but I don't need them right away anyway.

I will make more progress today and will try to get a progress report posted this evening. 
rob289c

rob289c

I love your 'Vair!  A friend in HS had a '66 2-door that we used to tool around in.  Another buddy had a '65.  I like the ones that were like a pick up but you (I) never see any of those.

As for the door jam area, I am planning to just paint it body color.  I am also looking to fabricate a triangulated piece out of round tubing that will be welded to a hinge at the firewall and extend back to where the striker plate would be to function as a door.  Really it will give the illusion of safety so neither driver nor passenger accidentally falls out.  It will just be pinned closed.  As for wood to give it a finished look, I have no talent with wood and limited wood working tools.  I am planning to cover the sides of the firewall with diamond plate to give it a "finished" look and also diamond plate on the floor sections to cover up the raggedy transmission hump and give that a more finished look.

Last night during my "I can't get back to sleep" session, I remembered that I still need to get the clips that will hold my windscreen to the cowl fabricated.  I need them ASAP as they will also need to be epoxy coated and painted.  I would like to not have to do another epoxy session...I want to spray everything at once while I have it mixed and in the spray gun.  Especially the small amount I will need to mix and spray on the clips.  Improper planning on my part...I should have had them fabbed already.  I may opt to have them powder-coated at the sheet metal shop as they perform that service too.  Then I won't have to worry about epoxy and paint.  Anyway, we're getting closer to the weekend so I hope to have more progress to report by Sunday.

Edit: on the inside vertical edge, I am going to install black windlace over the edge to cover it up.  It is the same material that the Mustang had from the factory. 
rob289c

Wittsend

You seem to be very happy having the weather to get back at it. it is really coning along. I was curious what the plans for the area circled in red are? It would seem wood might be a good product to make a "finisher" on that end.


BTW (as inspiration) I finally got my Corvair wagon running decent enough to get it to Cars & Coffee last weekend.


rob289c

This morning I sanded the body.  I had sprayed the epoxy 2 or so years ago so it needed to be abraded.  I used 600 grit.  Next weekend I plan to spray more epoxy on various parts, brackets, etc and weld the Pinto transmission hump to the Mustang driveshaft tunnel to tie it all together.  That work area will need a squirt of epoxy too.  I also found a high spot on the left sail panel and sanded it down so that will need a squirt too. 

I am going to paint the dash pad with Krylon Fusion Hammered Texture Black.  It claims to adhere to plastic and vinyl so it should be suitable to spray on the body-filler repaired dash pad and the hammered texture should hide the repaired areas better.  I will clean with solvent first, then adhesion promotor, then the paint.  Fingers crossed it comes out looking nice.

I leave for San Antonio on the 16th and am taking the 15th off.  I am hoping by then I will have sprayed 4 coats of urethane primer surfacer.  When I get back I can sand it smooth in preparation for color coat.  Hopefully in 2-3 weeks the body and paint portion of this project will be over! 
rob289c

rob289c

I made 0 progress on my project this past weekend.  I am cleaning out and organizing two rooms that my wife and son have badly cluttered over the last several years.  I am reclaiming one for a grandchild nursery and the other to be a guest room.  I found things I haven't seen in years.  Tossed some, will donate some, some have been stored in a better way, and some will be returned to use now that I know they are still in existence.  I hope next weekend is more productive on my project!
rob289c

rob289c

Yesterday (Sunday) I wire wheeled the inner quarters from the Mustang.  Paint removed and wiped down with paint prep solvent.  They are ready for epoxy.  That was pretty much it for my project work. 

I think next will be to scuff the body that is in epoxy in case I sand through to metal or body filler so I can touch it up while I have epoxy in the gun spraying other parts.

Most of the day was spent weeding the garden, weeding around the patio, trimming shrubs, raking the clippings, weed whacking, mowing.  Worked like a dog!
rob289c

rob289c

Today I reviewed my inventory of paint products and made a list of what I need.  I want it all in stock so when the time is right I can prep, mix and spray.  I went to NAPA and placed my order.  They had everything except for the quart of FP 410 Primer/Surfacer.  That will be in Monday.  Afterward I went home and sanded the dash, glove box door, and ash tray.  They are all but ready for epoxy and black paint.  I may spray them with a few coats of primer/surfacer before the paint.  Tomorrow I will do the final prep on the rear inner quarters.  They will then be ready for epoxy.  I made lists of which parts and assemblies need which coatings so I can be organized and not have to re-mix any products.  I'm sure something will be forgotten but if I can keep that to a minimum, that will be a win. 
rob289c

rob289c

Hopefully a lot more this coming weekend!
rob289c

dga57

I'd say you made pretty good progress, all things considered.  We're going to be experiencing that heat wave too.  Stay hydrated and try to stay in cool places!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

Yesterday (Saturday) I cleaned, sanded, and did body work on the Mustang II header panel (nose piece).  I used body filler on the top and sides where it will be visible and only sanded the underside and other unseen parts.  It will get few coats of primer surfacer, then bodycolor.  After that I got the dash pad back out for a little more massaging.  So more body filler and sanding.  I think I have it as good as I am going to get it.  I also continued stripping the green paint off the rear inner quarters.  The need to be scuffed, then epoxy, then interior black.  For only a few hours  of work I did OK. 

Today we went to a car show in the fastback.  I had a great spot next to the lake (Owasco Lake, one of the Finger Lakes in NY).  80 degrees, low humidity and sunshine all day.  I heard they had a record # of cars, but don't knw the actual count.  I know they have topped 700 cars several times in the past so there were at least that many. 

We are in for a heat wave this week.  I hope next weekend will be more productive on my project.  That's all Folks... ;D

rob289c

dga57

Quote from: rob289c on June 14, 2024, 08:32:31 PM
I will report tomorrow evening on what I am able to get done.

I'll be waiting for your report!  Have a great weekend!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

Tomorrow is Saturday and I need to make the best use of the morning and early afternoon.  I have to go to a neighbor's kid's birthday party (begrudgingly) and then I will be participating in a Father's Day Car Show on Sunday in my home town which means no Sunday progress.  I mowed the lawn yesterday so I don't have to do it tomorrow and maybe I can get some more time on my project.  I will report tomorrow evening on what I am able to get done.
rob289c

dga57

I know projects can seem unending, but I think you're moving along magnificently!  Glad you found some time to work on it!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

I finally got some garage time over the weekend.  Some progress:  I brainstormed what to do about a windscreen.  I am thinking it is going to be plexiglass or some other clear polymer.  I made a template out of poster board.  I had to think of a way to mount it.  I came up with an idea for clips and built one out of cardboard from a toothpaste box.  It will allow me to mount the lower edge, and will provide a 45 degree (or so) windshield rake.  My other Mustang is a 40 degree rake but for this application I think a 45 degree will be good.  I would like the metal for the clips cut and bent professionally with a shear and brake so they look right and not a cob job.  I will have to fab some sort of braces for the top of the windscreen and attach to the dash or some other secure spots.  I also removed the Mustang II header panel and removed the grill from the header panel.  I will be doing body work on the header panel to prep for primer and paint.  I will also clean up the grill so it will be ready to reinstall after the header panel is in paint.  I also popped the orange steering wheel off so I can prep the visible portion of the column for black paint.  I had to use my harmonic balancer puller to get it off.  It goes right on and off now.  I will not be re-using the orange steering wheel.  I have a 13" three-spoke wheel with a Mustang center.  Over a year ago I ordered and received a rear deck package tray that has provisions for 6x9 speakers.  64-67 Mustangs didn't have factory 6x9 rear rear speaker cutouts so this aftermarket part provides that option.  I will have to trace and cut out the openings when I get to that point.  I finally opened the box and set it in place to see what it looked like.  I will make it work.  I got the rear inner quarters out of hiding and did some corrosion control and paint stripping.  The next "major" step will to get all the interior parts painted black.  Dash, Dash Pad, Rear Inner Quarters, Junk Tray, Steering Column.  Then I can start prepping the body for primer/surfacer and top coat.   I took inventory of the paint products I have left over from another project, visited my local NAPA, and made a list of what I need to buy to ensure I have enough product to complete the job.  There is so much left to do.   I need to secure the brake lines to the frame.  I need to fabricate and install fuel supply and return lines.  After paint I need to get the wiring harnesses in place.  I need to get a battery box and mount it in the trunk and run pos and neg cables to the front.  I still think I can get this thing to a point that I can run it around my circle before I have to put it away for the season.  I need to make the best use of my time but I still have other automotive maintenance and home/yard projects to do.  This coming Sunday is Father's Day so I go to a car show in my home town in my Fastback.  That kills a day of productivity.  Some time in July I will have to go to TX to see my son graduate from Air Force Basic Training.  That will keep me from making progress.  If I keep making small steps of progress I can get this thing done. 
rob289c

rob289c

I have thought about spraying some type of smooth but textured product on before the black paint.  I'll have to do a little research to see what's suitable and available.  Or maybe not...

I won't be making any progress this weekend.  I'll be out of town.  I hope everyone enjoys the holiday weekend while remembering why the holiday exists...

Rob
rob289c

Wittsend

Looking forward to how this turns out and more importantly how it holds up. On my Datsun 510 I filled the cracks with spray foam and then sanded. Then I bought a sheet of vinyl and wrapped it. But that dash didn't have the complex curves of the Pinto.

dga57

Ah, progress... one of my favorite things!  Glad to know you're back at it!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

I finally did something other than look at my project.  I made repairs to my cracked and otherwise unsightly dash pad. I used a heat gun and razor knife in the areas of the large cracks and dug out the bad foam too.  I filled the deep crevices with crumpled aluminum foil, then regular body filler.  After fully cured, I used a lightweight, flexible body filler (Porpoise Putty) and skinned and sanded it smooth.  See before and after below.  Future treatment will be adhesion promoter, primer/surfacer, then the black paint the rest of the interior parts will get.  Progress...
rob289c

dga57

It sounds like you got a few things accomplished over the weekend, and that's a good thing!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

Yesterday I rearranged my garage and got my toys accessible.  The Harley got it's annual oil and primary fluid changed.  It doesn't get tranny gear oil change this year.  I put the battery in the Mustang and fired it up.  Took it to the end of the street and back.  Only put 500 miles on last year so no oil change.  Re-torqued the lug nuts as I bought new tires last Fall just before putting putting it away.  Glad I did...there were some that were loose.  The project car just got rolled around and admired.  I think the first things I will do is repair the cracks in the dash pad and get the rest of the interior parts (dash, steering column, rear interior quarter panels, rear package tray, junk tray) ready for adhesion promoter, primer, black paint.  I have to work in some gardening/weeding and other home projects, then a week in FL at the end of the month but I plan to make some progress in the next few weeks.
rob289c

dga57

Sounds like a relatively simple and inexpensive way to keep your otherwise functional truck alive and well.  Looking forward to seeing the next phase of work on the roadster.

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

I think next week my Winter Storage barn returns to workshop status!  I will be starting back up on my project.

Unrelated, I have an 03 Ranger with a rotted bed.  There is rot around the wheel wells and the bed floor.  If there wasn't a bed liner in it, it wouldn't hold any cargo.  Today I just bought a Mazda bed from a guy that gets them from NC.  Rust free and the same color.  The body lines are slightly different, but it will bolt on.  I will clean up the underside, epoxy, enamel, then coat with fibrated roofing tar.  That will get me a few more years out of the truck.  While the old bed is off, I'll clean up and seal the frame with POR 15 or similar.  The left side wheel well is way worse than the right side in the pic.
rob289c