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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dga57

I think that will provide good contrast to the 1967 Mustang styling at the rear. 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

Today I acquired a Mustang II header panel.  I am going to mount it like a nose cone and build a shroud around it to blend it into the radiator support.  I already had a grill that included the running lights and pony and will use them instead of what came with this assembly.  It is in better shape.  This one appears to have been from a Cobra II and the Cobra emblem is missing.  The grill and running lights have some damage.  There is also a crack on the lower part but I can repair it and it will be more than suitable for my application.  I am likely going to cut the headlight sections off and use what is known as Dietz Style headlamps instead to keep everything narrower.  I'm not 100% sure on that but I don't want the nose to be as wide as it would be with the factory headlights.  Pic attached and just sitting on the bumper mounts for a "what will it look like?" shot.  Any thoughts on this?
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If I can get sufficient time on this I may be able to drive it around my circle before I put it away for the Winter.  It won't be painted till Spring but I may be able to get it running, rolling, and stopping in the next couple of months.  I have been working out of town and out of state at times so it's hard to stay on it for any duration.  My issues with my steering column are related to my sectioning (narrowing) the cowl and dash and losing that under dash space.  I had to shorted the steering shaft and the column is going to be a bit to the right so the ignition switch isn't in the way of the instrument cluster and dash.  I think I can "mask" it to make it look presentable.  Also, the position has to allow me to get in and out of the cockpit but not be so far forward that it's a long reach for the steering wheel.  ANyway, it has been quite a project...:)
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Good to see you making progress. Yes, I thought the site had seen its last post. It was THREE WEEKS between posts. I've often contrasted this site with the Corvair site I'm on. Both the Pinto and the Corvair have similar build numbers over same number of (nine) years. Yet here we had one post in three weeks. On the Corvair site we get about three posts in 15 minutes. And the irony is this is the ONLY Pinto site. Corvairs have two large sites and a number of lesser sites. If this site ever folds (hope it doesn't) I hope they offer and the Mustang II site accepts the historic posts from here. After all the Mustang II and the Pinto share a common platform.

I've also had to fiddle the steering column. I used the tilt column from my donor Turbo Coupe. It actually fit rather well but the adaptation of the column to rack was a bit of work. I found a more appropriate joint in the wrecking yard (newer Mustang) but had to hand grind the mating ends to fit. It will be interesting to see the final product. Hope you can post a video to YT showing it driving around.

rob289c

It's been a month since I last posted, mainly because the progress I've made on my project has been hard to quantify, but also because of lack of activity on the site.  I'm happy to see that there are some recent posts, so I decided to update you on my progress.  I have been working to mount the steering column. I ran the brake lines but the long one from the proportioning valve/distribution block to the rear.  Two years ago I cut about 3" out of each end of the dash, thinking I had to narrow everything but realized it wasn't necessary.  After realizing my mistake I have dreaded the reconstruction but I did it last week.  Luckily I saved the steel I had cut out...I must have known I might need it!  I put tiger hair over the seams and roughly sanded/shaped it.  Next will be regular body filler to hide my scabbed work.  It will look decent...I wish I hadn't cut it apart!  I also took 3" out of the top of the dash and welded it together.  That will also get some additional body treatment.  I have struggled supporting the steering column.  When I narrowed the cowl I lost some of the under dash space where the brake pedal mount was also the steering column mount.  I had to modify (cut) the mount, then put a spacer between the master cylinder and firewall to get the right brake pedal height.  I fabbed a bracket and used some threaded rod for the forward steering column mount, but I need to come up with another way to reinforce the setup at the rearward mounts.  It will come to me one of these nights that I can't sleep!  As you've heard me say before, everything about this project is an engineering (and sometimes re-engineering) feat.  Everything I am doing will have to come back apart so I can remove the firewall/cowl/trans hump so I can seam seal,, then prime and paint again.  I'll be glad when it is done. 
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Yesterday (Sunday) I performed surgery on the steering column.  I cut 5" out of the middle of the steering column tube to account for the 8" I cut out of the cowl.  I did this in order to move the column mounts closer to the steering wheel.  I had to weld the two parts together, then grind smooth and prime/paint.  I had to section it in the center has the lower end of the tube has the steering shaft bearing and has dimples that hold the lower mount in place.  It's hard to describe if you haven't gotten up close and personal with your steering column.  Anyway, I think what I did will provide me with the clearance I need.  I received my u-joint so now I need to attach the u-joint to the steering tack input, then position the steering wheel where I can comfortable reach it while still being able to get in and out of the cockpit, then weld the shaft and u-joint together.  Again hard to describe if you aren't here to see it.  This coming weekend I will test fit it and figure out how I am going to secure the column into its position.
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Of course, nothing on this project is cut and dry or easy.  Since I removed 8" from the center of the cowl and 3" out of the center of the dash, the brake pedal mount didn't fit and impinged on other under dash components.  I had to cut the mount to get the brake pedal up and in place.  I have a little more trimming to do on it but it all has to come back out anyway so I will do it later.  The next issue is the brake pedal mount is also the steering column mount so now the mounting points on the column are in the "wrong" spots and since the brake pedal mount has been modified (cut), I have to engineer a way to mount the steering column.  I spent time yesterday disassembling the column and brainstormed a way to modify the tube to move the mounting points up the shaft closer to the steering wheel to figure a way to make the mounting point not impinge on the brake pedal travel.  It is going to involve cutting a section out of the steering column tube then re-welding.  I need to figure out a way to secure the column it the proper position  I am going to have to cut a section out of the steering shaft but not going to do that until after I receive my u-joint and mount it on the steering rack input.  I will use my best effort to measure and hopefully not mess this up.

I did make some other progress yesterday.  I installed the rear shocks.  I installed the front brake hoses.  They are 18" and another 4" of length would have been nice.  I'll have t see how it works and will change out if necessary.  I wanted to install the rear section of exhaust, but unfortunately, the single exhaust I removed from my Mustang years ago was from a V8 and the single exhaust intermediate travels down the left side of the car and I need it to travel down the right side of the car.  I'll get that figured out.

Heading out to the shop now.  Hopefully I can report success on the steering column project. 
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I think the next mission will be to mount the brake pedal assembly, mainly so I can secure the steering column in place so I can figure out what I'll need to connect the shaft to the steering rack input.  I need to see if the u-joint will have to be 3/4 round or 3/4 double D at the column shaft end.  I was wracking my brain on how the column was mounted and was looking through all my Pinto parts and didn't find what I was looking for.  Finally I looked at the brake pedal assy and saw that it is what the steering column mounts to.  I will try to mock up whatever I can under the dash so I can figure out how all that will go together and see what I have to modify to make it all work with the narrowed cowl and dash.  More to come...
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All I got done today was to torque the control arm mounting hardware and the steering rack mounting bolts.  I test fit the steering wheel/column and realized that even after removing the factory u-joint and 3/4 round shaft, I may have to cut it even shorter.  I didn't have time to mess with it but will have to put my engineering cap on to figure out how to connect the shaft to the rack, but also how to mount the column to the dash.  I also have to re-engineer the way the brake pedal assemble mounts under the dash.  I modified the dash and cowl so I have less room than a stock Pinto.  Where there's a will, there's a way...
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Yesterday I got it on 4 wheels and removed the caster.  I had to use wheel adapters to get from the 5 lug 4.5 hub/rotors to the 4 lug 4.5 rims I am using.  They are two piece adapters,  I had to cut about 1/4" off the hub studs so the two halves would mate properly.  They widened the front track a bit but from what I have read, it should offer more stability in turns which is good considering the short wheelbase.  I bought 225 60-15 tires for all four corners.  In retrospect I should have bought a smaller, narrower tire for the front.  My thought was that with all 4 the same, I can rotate properly for maximum tire life.  I don't think this will get many miles and it would look better with smaller, narrower tires up front.  Let me know what you think.  Anyway, I loosened the upper control arm pass through nuts and the lower control arm mounting bolts and bounced the suspension several times as advised in the kit.  I will torque to spec this AM when I get out in the shop.

I also plumbed in the rear brake lines and secured the rear axle vent hose through the grommet that routes and terminates the end into the frame. 

I don't know what's next.  I have a abbreviated garage day today.  We are hosting my father in law's birthday party so I can't get into anything too deep or too dirty.  I may test fit and fab mounting brackets for the grill.  It's starting to look cool so I want to see it in a more "finished" state.  I need to get the steering shaft universal joint.  I think I can use a 3/4-36 end at the rack input end and a weld-on 3/4 round after I cut the original Pinto rag joint mount and get it to the correct length.  I may mess with that a bit too.

I will continue to report progress...
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Last weekend my focus was the Impala paint job so I didn't do much (really nothing) on my project.  With the Impala paint behind me, I made good progress on my Pinto-Mustang Roadster this weekend.  Yesterday (Saturday} I fabricated, test fit, welded, and painted my transmission lowering mounts.  I used 1 1/2" square tubing and 1" flat stock.  They fit perfectly and will do the job is intended.  Today I assembled the front end.  I had fit everything last Fall and left everything finger tight.  Today I torqued the T-bolts that hold the upper control arms in place, torqued the upper and lower ball jpoints, re-installed the strut rods, sway bar links, and caliper brackets (all painted last weekend with the Impala).  I also packed the wheel bearings and installed the rotors.  I installed the front shocks.  Earlier in the week I cut about 24" out of the center of the '67 Mustang front bumper and welded it together in an area that won't be seen.  I will mount that at a later date.  I test fit the steering column.  I think it is going to work just fine.  I am going to have to get a u-joint to adapt the rack to the column.  I may have to get a section of Double D shaft and adapt a bit.

Next weekend I need to install the front wheel spacers/adapters so I can install the 4-lug front rims.  It will then be on four tires so the front suspension can settle.  I hope I don't have to disassemble it and cut more off the coil springs.  I think it's going to be good.  I need to keep after this so I can get it done or almost done this Summer.  I still have to do some metal work and body work on the dash, then some seal sealer, then more primer and paint work.  I'm getting there...
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I'm a little bummed that I have to do the Impala paint job.  It's going to tie up portions of my Saturday, Sunday, and Tuesday.  (Monday I work and it will be the day I let the primer cure).  It's a small job (only the front clip) but it is going to chew up time that could be spent on my project or other tasks. 

Anyway, some small project tasks I will attempt over the weekend are to fab and install my new transmission lowering blocks.  Due to driveshaft interference issues I had to drop the tranny a couple of inches.  All it really did is to allow the engine to tilt rearward a bit so I need to fab pieces that will allow me to attach the trans mount to the mounting points in the transmission hump.  The other small tasks I can complete are to install the rear brake lines and mount the rear axle vent hose. 

Since I will be spraying primer and black enamel I am going to remove the strut rods and brake caliper adapters and spray them while doing the Impala.  They are uncoated and I don't want them corroding.  The steering knuckles are also uncoated but I am not going to remove the coil springs and control arms to get them out.  I think trying to spray them with the gun will be a challenge so I will mask and carefully prime/paint with rattle cans.

Of course, removing and painting the strut rods and caliper adapters will prevent me from getting the thing on four wheels but that can wait till the following weekend.  I want to get it on 4 wheels to put some weight on the coil springs so they can settle into their "normal" position.

Another task I will start figuring out is how to un-do my mistake of narrowing the width of my dash.  I never should have done it but I can't turn back the hands of time.  It will be a little cutting, metal fab, welding, and body filler work.  I hate fixing mistakes but I will get through this. 

In case I don't post anymore this weekend, a Happy and safe 4th to all!

Rob

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dga57

I totally agree that the mock-up would be motivating.  I've enjoyed watching this project progress.

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

The Dash, Dash Pad, and inner rear quarters are going to be black.  The orange and green are going away!  I've got a lot left to do but mocking it up to see how it looks is motivating.  Everything is an engineering work-around.  It's "figure it out as you go".

Depending on how my Impala Paint job goes next weekend, I may try to get this buggy on four wheels.  I'll get it off the front caster.  I am going to have top figure out how to shorten the steering column shaft and get a universal of some sort.
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I forgot this one...
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I decided to see how it was going to look. 
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I did a few things to my buggy today.  I installed the transmission dipstick.  I finished the rear brake job.  That included new shoes and wheel cylinder and painted drums.  I also mocked up the dash and dash pad to the firewall/cowl assembly.  I re-mounted the assembly back on the frame so I could see what is is going to look like.  I made a mistake a while back (2 years ago?) when I narrowed the width of the dash.  I thought it was going to be necessary, but found out it isn't.  I am going to have to do a little more fab work to fill in the ends to get it back to proper width.  I think I am going to modify it to house small front speakers.  I'll make a silk purse out of a sow's ear (old saying).  Anyway, it is coming along.  Lots more to do but it is taking shape.  Another post coming...
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Progress today:  Primed and painted the firewall brackets that I welded to the frame last weekend. Difficult to see in the pic as it is all black.  Painted the transmission dipstick tube black and the handle of the dipstick red.  Spent the bulk of the day applying and sanding body filler on the cowl.  I'm just not that good at it so it takes multiple applications and sanding effort.  I got it pretty good.  There are a couple of spots that aren't right that I will attack during the next bodywork session. 

It was supposed to rain today.  I was doing the bodywork in the driveway and expected to have to move the firewall/cowl/trans hump inside when it did and I planned to finish my rear brake job.  Since it didn't rain I stayed on the bodywork mission and didn't do anything on the brakes.  Maybe tomorrow.  I ordered the rear brake lines from CJ Pony Parts earlier in the week and they are due to arrive on Tuesday  They will be installed next week.  I also figured out how I am going to build the transmission mount lowering blocks.  I cut some 2x2 square tube into appropriate length sections and will weld tabs to them.  That will be a future project and pic. 

Next weekend I have to sand/prime/paint my son's (really my) Impala front clip.  It is a black car but has a red front bumper and white hood and fenders due to a deer hit.  We are going to paint with black Rustoleum.  I will use hardner and it will shine nicely when done.  It will look better than it does today.  With 280k miles it is far from a show car.  That is going to cost me time on my project but it has to be done...

I will report any progress I make tomorrow.
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dga57

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

I can't quit now!  There is light at the end of the tunnel and I want to drive this thing.  Even if it becomes my neighborhood "golf cart" I ned to get it to completion/.  I think I'm in Year 4 with it.  The Mustang in the previous pics was a 14 year project!
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Wittsend

What you are displaying, and I have found to be true is to just keep going. Even if it is only little things. So, often people start a project..., but never finish it. While doing my Corvair wagon project there are days when I ask myself, "Why did I get involved with this???" But then I'll go out and do a little something and the next time it gets easier to do 'a little something more.'


If it is any inspiration I got my homemade floor replacements finished and a fair portion of the interior done. Keep at it, there is light at the end of the tunnel.


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Some, but not much progress:  I removed the firewall and trans hump assembly so I could gain access to weld my frame spacers properly.  The first pic shows that the right side needed taller spacers than the left,  Two attaching points on the left side didn't need spacers at all.  I drilled holes in the frame large enough to put nuts down into the frame and welded them in place.  I need to prime and paint to prevent corrosion.  I also tack welded a piece of the driveshaft tunnel back in place.  I had previously cut it out as the driveshaft was hitting the tunnel.  I thought cutting the forward section would give me the clearance but it didn't.  When I have the engine and tranny up into the correct "Pinto" position, it sits too high.  I creates to steep of a driveshaft angle and the forward end of the driveshaft hits the tunnel.  The fix is to build lowering brackets so the tranny tail shaft is angled downward.  I haven't done this yet but it is on the docket for a near future project.  With some engines the rearward drop could cause oil pooling under the valve cover but the is an oil return at the rear of the head in the 2.3.  I know it's not ideal but I don't have a lot of choice and this is not going to be a race car, or a daily driver so it will be fine.  I need to test fit the seat to see if I need to trim off the bracket I had previously welded onto the driveshaft tunnel. I didn't get to the rear brakes.  That will have to wait.

I did a lot of yardwork today.  I trimmed hedges, bushes, the entire back hedgerow.  I weed whacked and mowed.  I did some weeding and mulching.  Tomorrow I will be at a 600-700 car car show with my Mustang.  I have about 500 fliers to pass out for my club's August show.  No project progress tomorrow.  Happy Father's Day to the Fathers out there and to the rest, I hop you celebrate a Father or at least have a great Sunday!

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Every bit I do gets me closer to completion.  I'll get some done on Saturday but nothing on Sunday (Father's Day).  I think I will finish he rear brakes and put off the cowl bodywork for another weekend when I get both days to work on it.   
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dga57

It's coming along nicely! 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

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I made pretty good progress Saturday and today.  The Floor of my donor Pinto was all but gone right up into where the firewall met the frame.  When I disassembled, there was essentially nothing left so I had to build it with scrap sheet metal.  I fabbed and welded off the frame and didn't get it perfect.  It didn't sit on the frame as it did from the factory.  I had to put spacers between the firewall "floor" and the frame so it would sit in position.  The right side was off a lot more than the left side.  I welded nuts to the underside of the spacers so I can bolt the firewall in place.  I've got everything in place and it's solid!  I do need to remove the assembly so I can weld everything up good and solid.   That will be next Saturday's project.   Some parts are just tacked in place due to access.  That was yesterday's project.   This afternoon I fabbed and installed radiator support rods.  It helped triangulate and stiffen the cowl and firewall.  I am going to have to remove the whole assembly and do some more body/prime/paint work.  I'm glad this part is behind me.  I have spent considerable time trying to figure out how I was going to get the assembly in the proper position and make it solid so now I can move on to other project needs.

I received the correct rear wheel cylinders but didn't get around to installing them or the right side brake shoes.  That will be for another day.  Next Sunday is Father's Day and I attend a car show in my home town so I will get done what I can on Saturday  but will make no progress on Sunday. 
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I didn't do as much on my project as I originally planned.  I did install the rear axle cover along with the original axle tag.  It is a 2.83:1 ratio...I wish it was at least 3.25 or 3.50 but it is what it is.  I filled with lube and reinstalled the 23 1/4" driveshaft.  It's more like a propeller shaft.  I put the tranny in neutral and found that with the rear wheels off the ground, I can spin the driveshaft in the forward motion but can't in the reverse motion.  Is that normal?  I did push the vehicle rearward but it was much more difficult than without the driveshaft in place.  The front is rolling on a 6" caster so maybe it would be easier if on four regular sized tires?  I check my firewall position and trimmed one of the shims but didn't do any welding.  That will have to wait till next weekend.

I did do the PM on my Ranger.  It is rarely driven so a few years have elapsed since the last PM.  It got oil change, greased outer tie rods, lower ball joints, and rear driveshaft u-joints.  I lowered the spare tire and inflated.  The spare tire carriers can seize up if not exercised periodically.  The underside of the bed is pretty rotted due to NY Winters.  I will have to find a good used bed or make it into a flatbed.  Otherwise it's a pretty good 20-year old truck.  I have a 6 1/2' plow on it so it is useful when we get heave snow, or for returning bottles and cans, getting mulch, taking stuff to the scrap yard, etc. 

More next weekend...
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Progress today: I removed the rear axle cover, drained the old gear oil, cleaned out the housing and cover.  Cleaned both mating surfaces.  Primed, then painted the cover and bolt heads silver.  Tomorrow I will install the cover with new gasket and fill with 75w90 synthetic lube.  This was done in between the oil change, tire rotation and inspection of my Mazda6 daily driver and mowing the lawn.

I also started working on getting the firewall and transmission hump in place.  I have it "shimmed" with pieces of wood and steel to get it it the correct position.  I took measurements at key places and I think I have it where it needs to be. 

Tomorrow I'm going to have to do some metal fab, welding and bolting in place.  I need to fabricate radiator support rods to tie the radiator support to the firewall.  Then I need to tie the rear of the transmission hump to the forward section of the driveshaft tunnel.  At that point the cockpit should be fairly solid.   

I will do this in between doing the oil change, tire rotation, and general maintenance on my Ranger.  Another full day in the garage. 
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rob289c

I'm glad your brother made it back.  I have a high level of respect for Viet Nam Vets.  My war (Desert Storm) was relatively easy.  I did 6 years Nave and 17 years Air National Guard.  Overall it was a good career as an Aerospace Ground Equipment Technician.  Met good people and went to cool places.  Learned god technical and leadership skills. 
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Wittsend

I catch a lot of military shows on Smithsonian Channel. As I get old it makes me grateful that I was never called to fight. So many died young. My older brother did two tours of duty in Vietnam. One with sentry dogs and one on river boat patrol. Thankfully he made it back and also survived a career as a Federal Agent (he was Military Police in the Army). Both the draft and the Vietnam war ended just before I graduated HS in 1975. I had considered the military given the peacetime aspects but I had to have surgery right out of high school due to a track injury and my life took its own course from there.

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Today I decided to change the rear brakes on my project.  I purchased the parts months ago.  Remember, the rear is a 6 cyl 67 Mustang with drum brakes.  The car must have had a brake job not long before it was put out to pasture.  The hardware actually looks good and the linings on the shoes are quite thick.  The linings were bonded, not riveted and have separated from the shoes so they are getting replaced.  In addition to the shoes, I am replacing the wheel cylinders.  That is where a problem surfaced.  Since the front brakes are Pinto disc, I bought rear wheel cylinders for a front disc/rear drum Mustang.  Of course, they don't fit.  I should have bought wheel cylinders for a front and rear drum Mustang.  I ordered them today.  I replaced the left side shoes and cleaned everything up.  I will have to take them back apart when I replace the wheel cylinders.  While I had the drums off, I wire wheeled, primed and painted them silver.  They look nice.  I also replaced the rear brake hose.  I'll have to finish the job next weekend. 

Tomorrow I will be changing the Harley oil and primary lube.  Weed eat and lawn mow.  A few other chores and a party to attend.  I have a Veterans MC run on Monday.  Probably won't get much more done on the project this weekend.

I hope y'all enjoy the holiday weekend and remember those that gave all for our freedom. 
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