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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dick1172762

Will I receive any royalty's for the use of my name in post #47? Please reply to my lawyer ASAP. Sincerely, Tricky Dick.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pintosopher

 The Season is alive , with the looks of the many
You think of those prices, and wonder by the Penny
The Vans race through the neighborhoods quickly,
The Security cams are many, and the residents prickly
The spirit of giving has the world in a trance,
People zip by in the malls, many in Skinny pants
Think carefully when you give out the  list,
Santa knows best and you must not be pissed
So look at the life , and count those Blessing,
It's better than you think, Karma not be Messing ;)

Pintosopher, 12/09/2017
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

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Pintosopher

Twas the Night before Christmas, and all through the Barn,
All the gearhead were stirring, all told was the Yarn
The clock would tock and follow with a Tick,
The Monitor was glowing , PCCA stuff from Dick..
The wrenches were hung on the Tool chest with care,
Not a one was missing, no one would take the dare..
When all of a sudden , there rose such a clatter,
Annie had dropped a tray, there was beer in the Batter
The looks from the folks attending the event,
Were tough on the eyes, and the Smiles kinda bent
Then into the Room , came a sense of huge dread,
Clyde brought more kegs, and a container of tough bread
All settled when the dippin sauce came,
The flavor was magical, and not even a bit lame
So think as the season, descends on your Brain,
It brings on the goodness, like a faster freight train!

Pintosopher, Roasted on an open fire, basted in the best sauce ;) 12-02-2017
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Quote from: dick1172762 on December 01, 2017, 01:09:30 PM
Can't tell from the picture but is that you or Fred?
You'll have to ask Pinto Girl, I wasn't there for this shoot.. ;D
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dick1172762

Can't tell from the picture but is that you or Fred?
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pintosopher

Quote from: dick1172762 on November 29, 2017, 11:20:17 AM
Is"dreamboat Annie" any relation to "Sophia the robot" who was just given citizenship by Saudi Arabian? You could at least make Annie a member of our club if she is not already one.
Well, Hmm, Haven't seen "Annie" in the Real world since Fred & Joy brought her along on the trip to Sacto before he passed away. Most of my images came from Fred & Co down south at the "yard". She ("Annie") is an identity, Myself , Fred and other Anonymous folk gave to the "entity " When she under went the Revival as Fred's PR person for Pinto World. All of the other images have cryptic origins and rival the ancient Sea Scrolls in value to the ignorant, and aloof personage. All of the other images in My presence, are from the Visit from Fred & Joy. We had a bunch of fun with the concept and now, Who Knows?  ::) Annie did Visit her Friends at PintoGirl's home in Sacto too ;D
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dick1172762

Is"dreamboat Annie" any relation to "Sophia the robot" who was just given citizenship by Saudi Arabian? You could at least make Annie a member of our club if she is not already one.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pintosopher

Quote from: dick1172762 on November 28, 2017, 04:12:12 PM
Is she a shade tree worker? Sure looks like it in that last post.
According to Fred (RIP wizard) and Jennifer D she was brought back to life and required a makeover to become employable again. Dreamboat Annie is a virtual employee alive in many minds of folks from the Pinto World of the past. Like Santa Claus, she exists in the minds of those who believe in the ride eternal and the Horse with many a name ;)
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dick1172762

Is she a shade tree worker? Sure looks like it in that last post.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pintosopher

 
Quote from: dga57 on November 27, 2017, 04:33:53 PM
Can't she just pop those hands off and run them through the dishwasher?
It's just that in our virtual Bar, we're obliged to have her not go to pieces in front of the patrons :o ::)
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dga57

Can't she just pop those hands off and run them through the dishwasher?
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dick1172762

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Wittsend

The assistant on the left. Where does she wipe her greasy hands?  Must go through a lot of shop towels. :-)

Pintosopher

Rain flyin' Ponies restless, stalls are too snug :o remembering good friends
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

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dick1172762

Good picture of your NASCAR mini stock Pinto and driver. Sure to make the cover of Sports Illustrated any day now. Keep those pictures coming.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pintosopher

Ahh It's Super Saturday..
The Bird is old news but the leftovers linger...
While the Spouse is out shopping, you'll hang here and plan another attack on the garage and its contents... Or just hang lights and head out to find that tree.. ;)
We know the Pony will be getting what it needs, Are You ? 8)

Pintosopher an unknown Motor head with Torque to yield head bolts ;D Trying to Avoid an AARP life, but conceding to ARP Studs ;D
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Pintosopher

The smell of motoring blends with the aroma of Turkey and stuffin...
The window sill has a tray of hot muffin..
We're all doing the right thing on this Day..
'Cause we really want to go out and Play!
The Cinnamon in the pie, has the drool on your chin..
If the tools are in the Box, there's hope you might win.
If the emotions drive you crazy..
Jump under the car before you get lazy ;D

Pintosopher, Trypted by the Phan and snoozing by 7.. :o
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dick1172762

Not many racer Pintos have a color matching steering wheel. Wow eeeee!
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pintosopher

Hmm, That last bale of hay must have had Turkey stuffing in it... ;D
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

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dick1172762

When my family left California in 1950 it was really was paradise even in LA. No gangs, few ill eagles, only small problems. Now look what 67 years has done. Its a completely different country now. At one time the people moving in was greater than the people moving out. It is now reversed with more people moving out than moving in. Say la vee.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pintosopher

Quote from: Wittsend on November 21, 2017, 11:29:09 AM
Yes, my brother lives in Orangevale. So I'm familiar with the area.  Better than Rancho Cordova where there were thefts, vandalism, and even a 12 year old kid murdered where he use to be. And even RC was the safer suburbs compared to down town Sacramento.

Oddly enough Thousand Oaks is often deemed in the top three for safest cities in the USA with population over 100,000 - and yet I don't always feel safe here. But then I live in the worse part of town where a sub 1,000 Sq. Ft. home sells for "only" $550,000 - and comes with a cracked/displaced slab because there is no re-bar (expansive soil). The price of Paradise.
Things will shift dramatically as the last of the Aerojet/Rocketyne jobs leave RC. Folsom has annexed the acreage south of Hwy 50 to Eldorado County line, 2000 new residences and 8K new residents, My 50yr old  1100 sq ft rental home is selling for 410k if remodeled in Central Folsom (Homeless zone district). and the end to the escalation isn't leveling off. Intel keeps the high end of income profiles alive.. And the Bay area influx is still driving the Bubble... Little India is alive and well here...
Pintosopher, a horse with a name  and no pasture to relax in..
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dick1172762

Wow! $550,000 here in nw Arkansas will buy a very nice house in a very nice location or one in the country if that's what you want.
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Wittsend

Quote from: pintosopher on November 21, 2017, 11:10:15 AM
If you have to be in SoCal, your location is enviable. I have 2 state Prisons and lots of law enforcement first responders. Plus a Big Dam and lake.  ;)

Yes, my brother lives in Orangevale. So I'm familiar with the area.  Better than Rancho Cordova where there were thefts, vandalism, and even a 12 year old kid murdered where he use to be. And even RC was the safer suburbs compared to down town Sacramento.

Oddly enough Thousand Oaks is often deemed in the top three for safest cities in the USA with population over 100,000 - and yet I don't always feel safe here. But then I live in the worse part of town where a sub 1,000 Sq. Ft. home sells for "only" $550,000 - and comes with a cracked/displaced slab because there is no re-bar (expansive soil). The price of Paradise.

Pintosopher

Only a Proper mounted Escort should grace these walls of Glory ;D
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Pintosopher

Quote from: Wittsend on November 20, 2017, 03:56:46 PM
I have three problems that keep me from moving:


1. I have issues where my hands/feet get and stay cold from Oct. thru May - even in So. Cal. .


2. There are four mosquitoes in California - they all know where I live. Most of the rest of the USA I'd be a pin cushion.


3. My wife's family has been here for five generations going back to 1850. It is hard to move that which is firmly planted in the earth.


As wackadoodle as California can be other areas of the country have their own issues.  I'm still allowed to go to church, was able to home school my kids and being 50 miles outside of down town LA smog is not really an issue. I'm 1/2 hour from Malibu and the mountains (red X marks the spot).   I'm trying to make the best of it in spite of the "difficulties."
If you have to be in SoCal, your location is enviable. I have 2 state Prisons and lots of law enforcement first responders. Plus a Big Dam and lake.  ;)
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dick1172762

Well the temp here has been in the 60's all month long with the nights in the 40's. I have never seen or heard a mosquitoes here in the 17 years we have been here. I can understand your not wanting to move from your ideal location. I've been up and down your costal highway several times in my life time. I have lived in 35 states since I was born due to being a Navy brat and my moves due to work or lack of. It looks like you have made the best of it. Enjoy and have a great turkey day.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Wittsend

I have three problems that keep me from moving:


1. I have issues where my hands/feet get and stay cold from Oct. thru May - even in So. Cal. .


2. There are four mosquitoes in California - they all know where I live. Most of the rest of the USA I'd be a pin cushion.


3. My wife's family has been here for five generations going back to 1850. It is hard to move that which is firmly planted in the earth.


As wackadoodle as California can be other areas of the country have their own issues.  I'm still allowed to go to church, was able to home school my kids and being 50 miles outside of down town LA smog is not really an issue. I'm 1/2 hour from Malibu and the mountains (red X marks the spot).   I'm trying to make the best of it in spite of the "difficulties."

dick1172762

Your welcome here any time here in the Ozark mountains. No smog, little crime, cheap gas, country living, cheap cost of living, a really nice place to retire. My son just moved back from Phoenix with all of his race car machine shop, race car, household items, in two big U-Haul trucks and his race car trailer. Did it on one week in. Its easyer than you think. I have done it every 15 years or so, but now I'm here till the end.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Pintosopher

Quote from: dick1172762 on November 19, 2017, 09:31:14 AM
I only need to walk about 50 feet to be in the pasture here. The problems in California will NEVER go away in our life time. My parents were smart enough to get us out of California while I was still in high school. That was about 1950 and the state was wonderful back then. But the writing was on the wall even then. I hope you and your family leave while you can. We need all the Pinto owners to be happy in their golden years.
That would almost require 6 lucky #s and a truck from Reliable carriers and another from U-Haul (at least 28 ft, ) and a serious place to call Home :)
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

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dick1172762

I only need to walk about 50 feet to be in the pasture here. The problems in California will NEVER go away in our life time. My parents were smart enough to get us out of California while I was still in high school. That was about 1950 and the state was wonderful back then. But the writing was on the wall even then. I hope you and your family leave while you can. We need all the Pinto owners to be happy in their golden years.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.