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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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72DutchWagon

Robert came to visit on his way to job training in the Netherlands, and brought some parts that I was missing from the interior of my car, and would be impossible to find here. Thanks a bunch Robert!
Then an even bigger surprise, Robert opened a large suitcase, and folded out came a new Pinto carpet, which had been sent to him by Blaine! That's just unbelievable, I don't know how to thank Pinto_ One  enough for this!
Robert is at the left in the picture, Geert (that's me) at the right.
And maybe it's just me, but I had the impression that Donkey's headlights were shining brighter today...

dick1172762

You could have used flex pipe but your looks much better and will last longer too. Only us poor boy's with out a welder use flex pipe. At least to drive it to a muffler shop. Keep up the good work. Your post are always good information.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

72DutchWagon

Dick, I've heard rumours about that too. In any case, the flowing capacity couldn't get worse!
Here is the over axle pipe which contains mig welding by myself. It's not a masterpiece, but functionality is the name of the game here. I did try to stay well clear of the diff, need enough room for the 8 inch rear end swap that will probably become a spring project. That's about it for 2016! 

dick1172762

510 Datsuns have a double outlet exhaust too. Many I've talked to say its better flowing than a tubing header.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

72DutchWagon

I'm replacing Donkey's  exhaust manifold and exhaust system. Escort RS2000 manifold is a direct fit, but the double downpipe that came with it was not usable. I made a model out of wood and  pvc pipe and fittings. The fittings only came in 45 (and 90, but I didn't need those) degree bends. With a saw I took  about 80% out of the bends, after which I could bend them at any desired  angle with use of a heat gun. A good friend who is an experienced welder did most of the work in converting my model to the mild steel version.
We don't have access to bending equipment, so most of it is done by hacking up new of the shelf bends and pipe and old downpipe and welding it back together. Downpipe is two times 1,75 inch which goes into a 2,0 inch exhaust system.
I finally bought myself a gas bottle and wire spool  for my own multifunction welding machine, which I've only been using for stick welding up till now, so I'll be having mig welding fun with the rest of the plumbing.

72DutchWagon

Oh my, just when I'm hacking up the exhaust system to renew it with something more suitable to the 2.0 EFI (which of course includes custom pipe fabrication), I'm going to get another surprise visit from the American branch of the club.
But you're always welcome Robert, as are other Pinto club members if they are in the neighbourhood.

robertwwithee

I'm coming back to Holland in January.  What do u need?

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robertwwithee

Wish I could come over and help.   Someday I will see u again.  ASML Robert

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72DutchWagon

There is so much stuff lying around (and little space) at the moment  that I can´t even work on the 8 inch that is supposed to go under Donkey.
So I disassembled the 90 Pinto EFI N4B engine into more manageable chunks and learned a lot about it along the way. Most difficult to do was getting off  the crankshaft pulleys, particularly the cam belt pulley needed some rough fabrication to get access to it without ruining the aluminum casting that sits around it. I used my steering wheel  puller. And I bought an electric impact wrench, that really helps.
I added a few pictures of the EFI head,  with its typical egg shaped inlet ports to make room for the injectors.

74 PintoWagon

Looks like a pretty good swap meet too.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dga57

That looks like it was a fun car show!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

72DutchWagon

And another few images

72DutchWagon

Me and Donkey went on a 200 mile round trip to the 16th Ford campingmeet at Zonhoven, Belgium.
They have a three days meet and you can stay at the camping, I only went for one day though.
Donkey received lots of interest and was photographed all the time by people who had never seen a Pinto,  let alone a wagon. 
The engine conversion was also food for conversation in Dutch, English, German and French.
I made some pictures to give you folks an impression of this international get together.
They include among others a rat-look Taunus stationcar with a v6 2.9 efi conversion running on LPG (quite popular around here), An Italian built OSI sportscar with Taunus mechanics, a Tickford Capri Turbo and a French built Ford Vedette.


72DutchWagon

Bought me an extra Pinto 2.0 EFI engine as backup for Donkey's powerplant. This makes it easier to get engine and/or  cylinder head overhauled in the future without taking the car of the road for too long.
The seller couldn't be bothered with removing the A4LD transmission, so it came free with the package, there really isn't a market for these transmissions here.
This EFI engine even has a O2 sensor, catalytic converter, the works. To my surprise the engine code starts with LM, making it a 1990 engine, 5 years younger than the one in Donkey . I always thought the last 2.0 Pinto's in passenger cars were phased out by 1989 in the Netherlands, though Wiki states they were produced till 1992.
I added a few pictures  for your enjoyment.

72DutchWagon

Short update on progress on Donkey; finally hooked up the T9 backup light switch (always these little details that get postponed). I'm cleaning up the 8 inch for painting and waiting for some Rockauto parts to arrive, bearrings and seals and what have you.
I always scan the cars and parts for sale sites when I haven't got anything better to do (or don't want to), and look what popped up, a 77 Mercury Bobcat 2.8, talk about rare finds this side of the pond.
Then I start fantasizing about adding a second generation BOB 2.9 Cosworth out of a Scorpio (get a complete car), and for a little over € 3500,-- ($ 3800,--) for everything, and a lot of tinkering time, you could have yourself a 210 HP Bobcat Cosworth with a A4LDE tranny?
Naah, it'll be for somebody else, I'll stick to Donkey.

Wittsend

Quote from: 72DutchWagon on June 07, 2016, 03:06:47 PMWittsend, I think you could  replicate the feel of a 3.25 diff by just changing tire hight from (195 or 205 15 inch example) 50 to 55 or 60 with a 3.40.

I absolutely agree.  In fact I often make it a point of stating the relationship between the rear ratio and tire size..., but omitted it this time.  Someday I hope we will have an established standard like "revolutions per mile" that take both rear ratio, tire size (and overdrive if applicable) into consideration. I always laugh when someone runs a ratio like 4.56's on the street and never considers the drag car that runs that ratio has significantly taller tires than the street car.  Something in the 3.50-3.75 range would be the equivalent with the shorter street tires.

pinto_one

Know what you mean flat country, here is somewhat flat , only I tow a 16 foot 2500 lbs camper and go some places that has huge hills , and I do not tow in overdrive , with the original tires some hill it would down shift into second , still @ 65 mph going over the top with the cruse control on , now with the taller tires it's going to be a chore going over the large hills , did some math on a early ford ranger with the 2.8 V6 , the ranger had 215/75/15 , and a 3.44 rear end so it's going to be a good match with the 3.40 for towing and good gas mileage in overdrive when I am not towing anything , the engine has a 2.9 crank , overb
Over bore , comp cam for towing and fuel injection , long tube headers , so grunt it's got , just got to gear it , and worse is I have two compleat 8 inch pinto rear ends , yep both are 3.00  :o
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

72DutchWagon

Blaine, the fifth gear still pulls well (so much so that I want to go from 3.55 diff to 3.40), but keep in mind that this is a flat country, and the 2.0 EFI is 115 hp.
Wittsend, I think you could  replicate the feel of a 3.25 diff by just changing tire hight from (195 or 205 15 inch example) 50 to 55 or 60 with a 3.40.


Wittsend

Yes, I think of all the ratios that were readily available in the Pinto/Mustang II that 3.40's are about the best choice.  Tire size somewhat dictates the ratio choice and if staying close to stock sized tires then the 3.25 ratio seems the best for all purposes.  However, I was told that ratio was very VERY limited in the 8" rear end. Something like a one year only Torino.  So, for all practical purposes 3.40 is the best, especially if you are looking at going to taller 15" or 16" tires. Race inclined owners may prefer the 3.55 but on the street I like the 3.40's better. Of course if you are willing to pay for them the aftermarket has more ratios.

I originally had 3.00's and even with the turbo motor and 215-60-14" tires it was not fun to drive.  The motor pulled fine on deliberate acceleration, but for general driving the car was never in the right gear for common speeds.  Right now I have 175-70-13" with 3.40 and a T-5.  The tach reads 2,600 RPM at 65 MPH. And, around town the car just drives a whole lot better.
When searching for a 8" I always seemed to find 3.00's or 3.55's and the 3.00's were about two to one in availability.  When I finally found 3.40's I grabbed the center section.

pinto_one

Good find on the rear end , looking for that ratio for mine now , I know you put in the type 9 five speed , does it carry the fifth gear overdrive well ? 
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

robertwwithee

What a joy on the EFI 2000 engine.  More responsive than a carb and easier to turbo.  Parts are more expensive in Europe than in US.  Geert, next time I'm bringing more parts for you.  You and Mrs. were great hosts.  Thx

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72DutchWagon

I had Robertwwithee coming over to my house a few weeks ago to check out my Pinto!
Me and the Misses were of course honoured by having a guest from far away Oregon, and did our best to keep him awake after his too many hours journey.
I think Robert was well pleased when I offered him to drive donkey himself.
I 'd suggest fellow Pinto owner's who know Robert to ask him how it feels to drive a 2.0 EFI Pinto, he now has some hands on experience.

robertwwithee

Good find.  I run a 8" 3.40 rear in one of my Pintos.  It'll never break.  Your next weak link is the 4 spd tranny, especially if it's behind a hopped up 2000.

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72DutchWagon

I went on a 145 mile round trip to buy me a 8 inch rear end from a breakers yard that only handles American vehicles, and specifically Mustang II's.
Do I need one? No, not at the moment, but I like to have a replacement rear end lying around with decent parts availability, and able to take on a few more ponies in case I should be tempted to up the HP figures somewhat. Also the supposedly easy conversion and maintenance made me decide for the 8 inch.
Not being able to read the crusty tag in the dark freight container it was in made buying it kind of a gamble. Well, you never know in what condition it is, but having sort of the right gearing would be nice.
Unloading it on my own made at least one thing clear, its heavy!
As you may see in the pictures, this rear end  was already equipped with wheel adapters, but the previous users had been stupid enough to cut the protruding original wheel studs with an angle grinder with the adapters in place. They managed to hit not only the studs but also scraped the nuts and the adapter surface, no clue yet if there is enough flat surface left to mount a wheel  correctly.  I do have other adapters fortunately.
I cleaned up the diff tag with wd40 and a toothbrush, and decoding it with help of Fordification.com
gave me the following result; WDY-AN 8BC 3.40 8 244C = 78 Mustang 3.40 gear ratio. A manual check confirmed the ratio. Am I in luck or what?
Can anyone tell me how the 244C (should be the assembly plant?) decodes?
Gas mileage on this trip averaging 65 to 75 mph was 27 miles to the gallon.


76hotrodpinto

As ridiculous as it may sound, I use pickled jalapeno juice on really rust-stuck parts. If you soak it long enough, it's never failed.
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

72DutchWagon

Haven't had much time to tinker on the car lately, this year it's more "Honey do's", have to compensate for spending all summer last year working on donkey's heart transplant.
Donkey is doing domestic chores as well, has been driving around with 300 kg (661 lb) loads of concrete pavement tiles in the back, no complaints whatsoever.
Did manage to remove worn studs from my RS exhaust manifold. First soaked them for a week with WD40. Then optimistically tried to remove them with double nuts after pre-heating the manifold with a gas torch, no such luck.
Then welded nuts to the studs (which also heats the studs), and immediately cooled the stud with water, then put a wrench on, tapped it with a hammer, and they came loose, go back and forth a few times, more WD40, out they came, none broken. 

robertwwithee

I have 2 UK magnetic pick up dizzies.  I'm needing the amp to make it work or else put msd with it.  U have anything else that's available.  I have extra manifolds if the rs one doesn't work out.

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72DutchWagon

As some of you may remember I reassembled the exhaust  system in July 2015 with the original 72 2.0 exhaust manifold, to get the show back on the road as soon as possible.
This manifold already was broken and had a bad weld put on top of the crack, and that weld has jumped off since.
The much better Scorpio Pinto manifold presented a problem because it has a two pipe outlet  (good), but they are side by side (not good).
Now I bought myself another piece of vintage cast iron, an Escort RS2000 manifold. I just had to have it because it has "RS" on it, all other reasons are just complementary. The original double downpipes came with it.
This seems to have been a reasonable piece in its day, as it was said to improve the performance of the 2.0 by almost 10%.
I don't know if it will be better flowing than the 85 Scorpio piece, but at least it has the two pipe outlet vertically, which gives me a better chance of it fitting in the Pinto.
I don't know yet if it will fit at all, I'll report on that later, but for now, I just wanted to entertain you guys with some more exotic Euro factory tuning parts for the 2.0.
Also a big bore version of this manifold was produced, only available as a racing part I understand, I included an image of that one as well.   

robertwwithee

Yea, by plane. 

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72DutchWagon

He Robert, if you're coming by boat, could you take an 8 inch with a fresh pumpkin, fiberglass body parts, a full racing cage, eh, but I guess not, Aeroplane I presume?
There are still (always are) some bits that I need from the States, let me think about it, I'll send you a PM later to discuss practicality.