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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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72DutchWagon

My European Pinto 2.0 EFI is run by  a Ford EECIV ecu, similar to the ones in loads of eighties and nineties American Ford's, not with the same software and components of course.
As I am contemplating to get a newer aftermarket ecu somewhere in the future, and I had been thinking about a step by step reversible transition, I went searching for an extra EECIV connector, so I wouldn't have to hack up my original Scorpio injection harness.
The connectors are available new on ebay, but most without terminals, or very pricey.
I found a cheap complete Focus ecu at the scrappy, but then came the real issue, how to get 60 pins desoldered from the PCB. I read all sorts of info on forums but nothing worked, gas torch or heat gun are only good for destroying the lot. Desoldering with a soldering station didn't work, the heat seemed to flow away in the circuit board, the solder wouldn't melt. Buying a real desoldering station for this one job was a step too far for me.
I ended up grinding away the PCB around every single one of the sixty pins with a Dremel, after that the heat of the soldering iron was enough to loosen the small "diamonds" left around the pins.
Now with an extra connector, I could even make a breakout box like this guy did: http://www.merkurclub.com/kizerweb/scorpio/misc/tools/breakout.htm
That way I could hook up anything to the existing harness for testing purposes.

72DutchWagon

For the last half year I've been using Donkey as a car without spending any extra money on it.
Come fall, I did think that it was time for a service, new oil,  filter, brake fluid etc.
All went well except for a stuck brake bleeder and a loose grease nipple on the left front side.
So the caliper had to come off, used lots of WD40, put a nail in the stuck bleeder to prevent it from collapsing and with the help of a pipe wrench managed to get it out in one piece.  New brake bleeder was Dorman 13901.
That was one problem fixed, then the other one; I enlarged the grease nipple hole, cut new thread and fitted a larger nipple.
I had some time to spare so decided to pull out the chairs and rubber mats and check out the floors and maybe test fit Blaine's carpet. As this required making holes in the carpet for seat belts, handbrake and shifter, and not having a Torx T50 bit lying around for removing the seat belts I decided that this would have to wait. I also discovered two places in the floor pan that will require a small patch welded in. Moisture and time will eventually take their toll on everything, and the fact that there is a lot of kit used around the front windscreen, and the original carpet being replaced somewhere in the past  by a few pieces of rubber mat,  indicates previous moisture problems.
This car does have an old rust prevention undercoating, which has helped it staying in good condition for a long time,  but it's past its prime now and will need removing before fixing the floor.
Another nice job for maybe next spring, the seats aren't falling through the floors yet!

72DutchWagon

I'm back with a real life" way past sell by date" story, a reminder that after years and years of use, some parts will give up.
In this case it was one of the tailgate springs that broke with a loud bang. First I didn't know what had happened, until I lifted  the tailgate again, doesn't stay up any more (now where did I hear...).
Have to figure out a way to bend something like that and put it back in.
Must say that I always was most impressed by the installed system, as it remained functioning correctly for much longer than any lift support strut that I know of.

72DutchWagon

Donkey passed its  road test in February without any real problems, new windshield wiper blades and fixed high beam warning light and good to go for another two years.
March the third was time for Antwerp Classic Salon again, weather had been quite bad the night before, so almost no classics in the snow  on the parking. Donkey couldn't care less, he just wants to go out and about.
Inside wasn't  much better, not one  Pinto engined classic in sight, so all I have for you are an ridi- ahum –meticulously restored Mustang (with too many factory quality control markings for my liking) and a couple of vintage Shelby's.
I won't bore the hell out of you with all the Porsche's, Lagonda's, Benz's etc. that were also there.   

dick1172762

I really think everything will work out ok. You seem to have a really good hold on your Pinto. Just keep up the good work next spring.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

72DutchWagon

Donkey's engine is all back together again, and with fresh head, cam, cam belt and coolant is running around as happy as ever. I haven't really tried yet, but it seems to have more pulling power from low rev's.
As it is now I hope to get through the winter and pass  road test (every two years) in March. Time to do some work in the house and think about what to tackle next (spring?). 

dick1172762

Plugs look good. What I was talking about was the different look of 1 and 4 in relation to 2 and 3 pistons. Most of the time all 4 pistons will look nearly the same if the engine is not totally wore out.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

72DutchWagon

Well  Dick, as you might remember, I  acquired this engine and T9 box in December 2014, packaged in a  roadworthy 85 Scorpio with about 120.000 miles on it, which is far too little for a 29 year old car.
Probably it was first owned by a German pensioner, and after that imported to The Netherlands, and it might have been standing for a long time before I bought it.
I ran it for about 500 miles to see how it went, took it over 100 mph in that time, then dismantled the Scorpio, and plonked the lot in Donkey without opening anything up.
It has been serving me faithfully to this day, so "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" seems to be true in this case.
What you see is as new to  you as it was to me the day before when I took the head off.
Different burn pattern; might the flash light of taking the picture make it look that way, I hadn't noticed? Look at the spark plugs in the right order, nothing strange  there I think?
The coolant that I renewed in 2015 is completely rust brown, so will be changed again now, I think that also points to the engine having been standing  unused for long times before 2015.
Today I only had time to change the rubber mounted center piece of my adapted Scorpio trans mount, which is holding up  nicely. The rubber was almost eaten away (after 32 years), see through in some places, so I got a new one from Burton's.

dick1172762

Why are we seeing a different burn pattern on pistons 1 and 4 than 2 and 3? And why is there rust at the top of all cylinders?
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

72DutchWagon

Well, 85 mph in fifth (after fitting new tie rod end) with 195/65/15 is no problem,  even up a mild gradient, and there is still power left.
Now Donkey is back in the barn for head  and trans mount exchange.
85 head is a little tired, so I had my spare 90 head reconditioned and updated with Kent cams FR34 injection cam, should give more torque from 1000 rpm, not that it was lacking in that department, but a little extra...  You know.
Cylinder walls look fine to me, except for the rusty edge at the top, but I'm not doing anything to the block at this moment.
Head bolts were exchanged for ARP studs, later Pinto 2.0's have one time use only stretch bolts, don't like that  idea.

72DutchWagon

Action shot of Donkey, hauling old iron to the scrappy, $ 0.08 per lbs, 290 lbs, small reward for cleaning out the garage.
Second pic is winter wheels, 15 inch steel  Peugeot wheels, offset about 1 inch, tires 195/65/15, circumference 1994mm/78,5 inches. . These wheels are very easy to find over here.
I think this is about the tallest tire you can fit at the front without rubbing.
Whilst changing the wheels I found one of the reasons for the sloppy steering feel, left tie rod end is loose, better change that out (fast) before tackling the steering shaft.
When this issue is corrected I'll go and find out if 5th speed will still pull a tire this tall.

72DutchWagon

My 90 2.0 head is back from the engine shop (in a week!) and it really looks good.
The engine shop owner even fitted new camshaft bearings, oil seal and better quality valve stem seals without extra charge.  He must have a weak spot for Pinto's, I found out he races them himself in Formula Ford competition.
Having this done by a professional is not cheap, but I don't think you can clean up a head like this at home without the proper experience and equipment.
Hope to be able to exchange this one with Donkey's tired head in the near future.
Something I definitely overpaid on is a scrap yard Mustang II steering column and steering shaft, particularly because I'm probably only going to use it for measurement purposes, I intend to get rid of the 71 72 flexible steering shaft.
I've always had the idea that there is too much flex (not play, flex) in the steering, and now it feels worse with wider wheels and tires, and the somewhat wider track at the rear (spacers).
I'm not going over 85 mph at the moment because it just feels scary, like having a heavy  crosswind  when there is no wind at all. It also feels strange driving slowly on uneven surface.
Not so much trouble in a curve, but very noticeable in a (fast) straight line.
45 years and countless miles of service may of course be a lot to ask from a flex shaft.

72DutchWagon

I'm disassembling my spare 1990 Pinto 2.0 EFI head, factory hardened valve seats, what a luxury...
This one should got to an engine shop for cleaning and tune up, will be fitted with Kent cams FR34 injection cam, and will then replace Donkey's 1985 EFI head.

72DutchWagon

Here are some pics of 15 inch OZ wheels all around on Donkey. I decided against using spacers on the front, just custom made a few hub centric rings with a 3D printer. Tires are 195/50 at the moment, but they are quite old, might go for a little taller in the future. If I go to 195/60, the circumference would be about the same as the 185/70/14 wheels on the Scorpio that donated its drivetrain, we'll see.

72DutchWagon

8 inch is finally under Donkey, and with some Italian 15 inch OZ superturismo wheels added it's back on the road. Adaptation for wheels gave some headache, but now I've got a wide choice in four bolt wheels with an ET of 27 to 28mm originally intended for primarily Peugeot vehicles. That 27 to 28mm ET is around the 1 inch mark, which is the standard ET for a 72 Pinto according to the Ford car shop manual.
It meant custom milling on the inside of standard 25mm spacers  intended for Ford to fit on the 8 inch axles,  and adding a centering ring on the outside to compensate for  the slightly bigger center hole in the wheels intended for Peugeot.
Most important reason for taking this route is the low ET, most modern wheels have much higher ET's  and are not usable in this configuration.
Front wheel spacers  still have to be adapted (more milling) so at the moment the front is still running on stock steel.
So far I'm happy with this conversion, less play in driveline, less noise, feels more stable and better  diff ratio, 3.55 to 3.40.

robertwwithee

Very nice work Geert. I need to do that

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72DutchWagon

Thanks Reeves, that was not on this little project's list, better find some new ones then!

Reeves1

Cannot answer your question above.... but just an FYI - you cannot (should not) use the old U bolts.

Any spring shop can make you new ones.

72DutchWagon

No worries Blaine, I was aware of that, saying goodbye to the 13 inches anyways.
There is one other thing that I would like some advice on.
In Bob2000's axle conversion story there was a mention of the 71-73 Pinto's having  a round centering point for the rear end on the spring saddle, the 74-80 Pinto's have an oblong hole in the spring perch (see images).
I already knew that the 6 ¾ rear end  under Donkey wasn't the original one, because its tag read WGF-N, which would be a 74-76 rear end (but with 71-73 axles?), and it has the oblong hole, like my 8 inch.
Now, the previous axle swappers didn't see any point in adapting the perch hole to fit exactly to the 72 centering point, and it never was an issue. I guess that sideways the play is only 0.04 inch either way, which isn't worth looking at, and front and backwards, the positioning of the axle is more or less fixed by the U-bolts. Once tightened up I don't believe it's going anywhere.
What do you guys think?

pinto_one

I hate to be the one to tell you this but your going to have a wheel problem , the center 71 to 73 wheels
will not fit the 74 up hubs , they will not slide all the way on ,there is a fix for that 
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

72DutchWagon

spring has past, no news...
Had to start sometime on axle change, Donkey is back in the pits.

pinto_one

Car looks great ,  I hope you keep it out of the mud since you don't have mud flaps anymore .  ;D
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

72DutchWagon

So sad to have to say farewell...
To a period accessory; the tin mud flaps have reached the end of their working life, all battered and with torn out bolt holes they have to go.
To soften the loss I took Donkey on a 130 mile round trip to the "American Day" in Boxtel.
Here he was in rather exquisite company, but still drew attention for being a true rarity, no Pinto's here, let alone wagon's.
I might have tried to enter the "concours d'elegance" competition, but in hindsight, that would have have been a step too far.
Donkey behaved impeccably all day, but this was the first time I experienced some fuel starvation with a more than half empty tank on accelerating out off a left hand corner.  Future update wish list gets tank baffling or a swirl pot added.
Still have to find time to perform other work that was already in the planning though, home improvement chores get in the way.

robertwwithee

Nice show.  The big cities here have emissions testing up to a certain age usually 30 yrs or greater, every state different.  I live in country but work in city so I basically get a free pass to pollute the 90 kilometer commute each way

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72DutchWagon

Here are some extra "eco green" Salon impressions, more or less as a protest against Antwerp creating a LEZ (low emission zone) for the inner city, effectively banning 1 in 5 vehicles registered in that zone (!) from entering it. All over Europe cities are creating their own crazy schemes, so you never know what you're up against when driving a car older then say 15 years.

72DutchWagon

Once again Donkey went to the Antwerp Classic Salon (40th edition). On the parking lot he cuddled up to a Audi Ur-Quattro.
Other joys to be seen on the increasingly wet and muddy parking were the classics in the second image, if you look carefully you can also see parts of several recent Bentley convertibles and Porsches next to and behind them, it gives an idea of the wide variety of people that this event attracts.
Third image shows a French Ford SAF Comète Monte Carlo, which has the French version of the 239 flathead V8.
Fourth image is a rally prepped Mustang.
I'm sorry, but there wasn't a Ford 2.0 or 2.3 in sight, only Pinto connection was a Capri 2.8 from the last day they built them in 1986.
Used parts availability on these shows is getting poorer by the year, seems that everything is going by the Internet nowadays, and I don't care for stands with model cars, leather caps and goggles.

robertwwithee

He has wheels in the garage.  I seen them.  Glad to see Geert's progress on the wagon.  Blaine gets credit as I was just courier. 

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pinto_one

Glad your head lights are now shinning very brightly , please post a few photos when you install the carpet , going to look great inside , now you need some nice wheels  ;D
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

dga57

It's the willing helpfulness between members that makes this site special!  This is a perfect example of that!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.