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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

3D Printed Dome Light Lens (Base)

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dga57

Quote from: dianne on February 06, 2016, 10:15:39 AM
That looks awesome actually! At $30 it seems like a deal. I don't need one, but if I ever need one I'll order it from you :)

Same here!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dick1172762

Dome light cover on E-gay (ford pinto nos) new for $74. Makes $30 look like a real deal.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

dianne

That looks awesome actually! At $30 it seems like a deal. I don't need one, but if I ever need one I'll order it from you :)
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Pintopower

So an update, Shapeways has removed the material that I used to print these with. It was a lower resolution version of what they have now (called ultra detailed plastic). The good news is that the part looks awesome. The bad news is that it is now $30. I had a bunch of people email me asking why I removed it from my shop but the reason was I had the lower res stuff as the only version for sale. When they pulled that it removed it from the shop. Sorry for the inconvenience!

https://www.shapeways.com/product/MUMKXTFJ9/ford-pinto-and-mustang-ii-standard-dome-light-lens
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

dga57

Quote from: Pintopower on May 03, 2015, 05:02:10 PM
Guys, I don't know what has gone on with this thread. I did not intend this to become some discussion on socioeconomics . Fact of the mater is, if you need a dome  light, I spent the time to make one for myself and offered it up to the community that I share a common passion with and I make a massive few cents on every sale. The price for this has to do with the smoothness of the part. This is printed with a high quality material that gives the fine details to the lens versus the cheaper versions that look terrible. I know some of you do not care for the smoothness of the lens on the 3D printed part. Here is my solution. In many cases, I like to color sand and clear coat my 3D printed parts. In the case of the lens, install it and see how it looks with out looking at it through a magnifying lens.

Guys, If you want it better, please front the $10000 for the press, the molds, the material and the shipping and I ill gladly have one injection molded for you. I shall continue to 3D print parts for the community because that is what I enjoy doing. If you expect perfect injection molded parts, please call Doc Brown, jump in the Delorean and he will get you some nice ones, though you will need to source some plutonium.

For those that have purchased them and liked them (I have received many emails thanking me), I am glad that I was able to help you out. That was my goal. I know what it is like to have a missing or damaged parts in my car and how much i loved getting replacements. I hope this spurs others to 3D print parts. We just got a 3D scanner at the office so I have big plans for the back of the instrument clusters.

And a great big "THANK YOU"  to you!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Srt

the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

dianne

Quote from: Pintopower on May 03, 2015, 05:02:10 PM
Guys, I don't know what has gone on with this thread. I did not intend this to become some discussion on socioeconomics. Fact of the mater is, if you need a dome  light, I spent the time to make one for myself and offered it up to the community that I share a common passion with and I make a massive few cents on every sale. The price for this has to do with the smoothness of the part. This is printed with a high quality material that gives the fine details to the lens versus the cheaper versions that look terrible. I know some of you do not care for the smoothness of the lens on the 3D printed part. Here is my solution. In many cases, I like to color sand and clear coat my 3D printed parts. In the case of the lens, install it and see how it looks with out looking at it through a magnifying lens.

Guys, If you want it better, please front the $10000 for the press, the molds, the material and the shipping and I ill gladly have one injection molded for you. I shall continue to 3D print parts for the community because that is what I enjoy doing. If you expect perfect injection molded parts, please call Doc Brown, jump in the Delorean and he will get you some nice ones, though you will need to source some plutonium.

For those that have purchased them and liked them (I have received many emails thanking me), I am glad that I was able to help you out. That was my goal. I know what it is like to have a missing or damaged parts in my car and how much i loved getting replacements. I hope this spurs others to 3D print parts. We just got a 3D scanner at the office so I have big plans for the back of the instrument clusters.

You go!!!! Awesome on creating a part people need!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Pintopower

Guys, I don't know what has gone on with this thread. I did not intend this to become some discussion on socioeconomics. Fact of the mater is, if you need a dome  light, I spent the time to make one for myself and offered it up to the community that I share a common passion with and I make a massive few cents on every sale. The price for this has to do with the smoothness of the part. This is printed with a high quality material that gives the fine details to the lens versus the cheaper versions that look terrible. I know some of you do not care for the smoothness of the lens on the 3D printed part. Here is my solution. In many cases, I like to color sand and clear coat my 3D printed parts. In the case of the lens, install it and see how it looks with out looking at it through a magnifying lens.

Guys, If you want it better, please front the $10000 for the press, the molds, the material and the shipping and I ill gladly have one injection molded for you. I shall continue to 3D print parts for the community because that is what I enjoy doing. If you expect perfect injection molded parts, please call Doc Brown, jump in the Delorean and he will get you some nice ones, though you will need to source some plutonium.

For those that have purchased them and liked them (I have received many emails thanking me), I am glad that I was able to help you out. That was my goal. I know what it is like to have a missing or damaged parts in my car and how much i loved getting replacements. I hope this spurs others to 3D print parts. We just got a 3D scanner at the office so I have big plans for the back of the instrument clusters.
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

entropy

I think it's a case of unrealistic expectations.  It is not an injection molded part.  It will never *look* like an injection molded part any more than a cast object will look like a billet object.  If you absolutely *must* have a smooth, glossy finish for whatever reason, you may be able to achieve it by a combination of acetone vapor bath (Google it...) and polishing.  As for me, I like the texture and it helps diffuse the light.  If my car had a dome light, instead of a rollcage, I'd buy one...   ;-)
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

Wittsend

3D printers are like television/monitors. They can be set to print in various lines of resolutions. The "cost" of a higher resolution part is the time it takes to print.  When my son comes home he usually brings his Ultimaker. Seems like even a small part (case/holder for a Go-Pro camera) can take hours upon hours to print.  So, cranking out the dome light cover isn't something that happens in 5 minutes.

Would I pay $25 for for one? No, I'm too cheap. But knowing what the printer cost (2K-3K range) and the times spent to design, print, package, ship the item it is not unreasonable.

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: bbobcat75 on April 30, 2015, 09:18:46 AM
I do realize the time it takes to create the files and cost of machines and material - but if i pay a premium price i would think i would be receiving the same in the part - a premium quality part!!     but for those who need one now and not looking for a oem look and just need one for a daily driver this is great!! just not for me!!

What you don't realize is that it's not a premium price, especially since new ones aren't available anywhere else. I could CNC them out of whatever plastic I want, but if you thought $30 is a lot....

Just five years ago if you had a Mustang SVO with a broken front passenger corner lens, you would be faced with paying $250+ for a good used one. Now good, but still not premium repops are "only' $200 from a single source.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

dianne

I think you'll like it. Remember when a 3D printer prints, it's lays a line to build on top of each other and why I think one is not impressed and the other is. It's not injection moulding, but sure it's fine. Again, sand it down you want it perfect. It's the only source for the part also :)
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dga57

I don't need a lens for my car, but I'm considering purchasing one anyway; just to see it up close and personal.  The photos look fine to me.  Chris bought one and is not impressed with the quality.  Scott bought two and says they look fantastic.  I really can't see why one person's opinion would outweigh another's, but from what I know about Chris and Scott, I believe both are being 100% truthful in their analysis.  I guess everyone has their own expectations.  Has anyone else here purchased a lens and, if so, can you post your thoughts on it?


Thanks,
Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dianne

Quote from: bbobcat75 on April 30, 2015, 09:18:46 AM
My only concern about the price was the QUALITY of this part and after reading popbumpers post I am certain i would have been very upset about the look and quality of the lens. I do realize the time it takes to create the files and cost of machines and material - but if i pay a premium price i would think i would be receiving the same in the part - a premium quality part!!     but for those who need one now and not looking for a oem look and just need one for a daily driver this is great!! just not for me!!

If a part isn't perfect, from what I've seen of 3D printing and what was described here, it's still a technology that needs work. This is something a little wet sanding can correct though if you want that injection molded look. That though would mean more time on a part you spent $30.00 on. I don't think you can get these new anywhere and if I needed one, I certainly would purchase one and wet sand it. I'm thinking that the Maverick light is the same, I will check when and if I ever get my car back.
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

bbobcat75

My only concern about the price was the QUALITY of this part and after reading popbumpers post I am certain i would have been very upset about the look and quality of the lens. I do realize the time it takes to create the files and cost of machines and material - but if i pay a premium price i would think i would be receiving the same in the part - a premium quality part!!     but for those who need one now and not looking for a oem look and just need one for a daily driver this is great!! just not for me!!


1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

dianne

Quote from: entropy on April 29, 2015, 11:41:26 PM
Ok...for those complaining about the price of this item, let me tell you how things work with the company that's producing them from the perspective of someone who has some products of his own up on the website.  The way it works with Shapeways is you submit the file of your part and then choose from materials ranging from different grades and colors of plastic all the way up to platinum.  Their software then gives you a cost to produce the part based on volume/print time and material, at which point you get to specify how much you would like to mark up that price.  The only money you, as the designer, receive for the sale is that markup.  In the case of these lenses, and based on my experience, I doubt *very* much if Pintopower is making more than $5 on each one of them and I think that is incredibly fair.  I'm assuming he's got at least a couple hours in the design of these and that means that he'd have to sell between 20-40 of them before he even broke even with the time he's got invested.  I can promise you, he didn't create this part or the gauge cluster with the intention of getting rich.  He did it as a labor of love and everybody who wants to gets to benefit from it.

I agree, the time and effort in design and development is murder to be honest. Same in my high-tech industry to be honest.

He did a great job for something needed badly by some people, regardless of the 3D printing lines on the end result.
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

entropy

Ok...for those complaining about the price of this item, let me tell you how things work with the company that's producing them from the perspective of someone who has some products of his own up on the website.  The way it works with Shapeways is you submit the file of your part and then choose from materials ranging from different grades and colors of plastic all the way up to platinum.  Their software then gives you a cost to produce the part based on volume/print time and material, at which point you get to specify how much you would like to mark up that price.  The only money you, as the designer, receive for the sale is that markup.  In the case of these lenses, and based on my experience, I doubt *very* much if Pintopower is making more than $5 on each one of them and I think that is incredibly fair.  I'm assuming he's got at least a couple hours in the design of these and that means that he'd have to sell between 20-40 of them before he even broke even with the time he's got invested.  I can promise you, he didn't create this part or the gauge cluster with the intention of getting rich.  He did it as a labor of love and everybody who wants to gets to benefit from it.
1972 Hoonabout
SBF swap
-308 cid
-CNC ported Brodix heads
-Edelbrock Super Victor intake
-QuickFuel 750 double pumper built by Siebert
-Single stage NOS Cheater system
8" rear 4.11 posi
G-Force 5 Speed
10 point rollcage


450-ish rwhp on motor.....something a bit more than that on the spray

76hotrodpinto

Quote from: dianne on April 29, 2015, 12:51:53 PM
I grew up on the water and used to miss it. But mountains, high plains desert, and lakes with the best river/stream fishing around and hunting make the ocean seem not as good :D  Less population also!

I'm a surfer. I loved living in twin falls, as a youngster. I would spend all my time in the canyons.
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

dianne

Quote from: 76hotrodpinto on April 29, 2015, 09:46:14 AM
Well then, insert smile there instead. Wish I could stand to be that from the ocean, I'd come apply.

I grew up on the water and used to miss it. But mountains, high plains desert, and lakes with the best river/stream fishing around and hunting make the ocean seem not as good :D  Less population also!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

76hotrodpinto

Quote from: dianne on April 29, 2015, 08:38:44 AM
Whew LOL

I didn't know LOL Thanks for that, I needed the laugh this morning. I may be letting a mechanic go today and hiring another. Not in the best of moods :(

Well then, insert smile there instead. Wish I could stand to be that from the ocean, I'd come apply.
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

dianne

Quote from: 76hotrodpinto on April 29, 2015, 08:02:06 AM
It's too early to be serious. It's always too early to be that serious. Insert smiley face here.

Whew LOL

I didn't know LOL Thanks for that, I needed the laugh this morning. I may be letting a mechanic go today and hiring another. Not in the best of moods :(
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

76hotrodpinto

Quote from: dianne on April 29, 2015, 07:59:34 AM
Huh? Hope that was a joke. What it meant, if you're serious, is that I'm nothing really when it comes to these comments and my experiences. I do what I can, with the assistance of many here, so I'm not an expert or anything else. Do you understand what that comment means, or was it to be funny?

It's too early to be serious. It's always too early to be that serious. Insert smiley face here.
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

dianne

Quote from: 76hotrodpinto on April 29, 2015, 07:51:51 AM
What's that supposed to mean?! Now I'm offended! How rude!

Huh? Hope that was a joke. What it meant, if you're serious, is that I'm nothing really when it comes to these comments and my experiences. I do what I can, with the assistance of many here, so I'm not an expert or anything else. Do you understand what that comment means, or was it to be funny?
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

76hotrodpinto

Quote from: dianne on April 29, 2015, 06:43:11 AM
You guys are too kind actually.

What's that supposed to mean?! Now I'm offended! How rude!
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

dianne

Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

sedandelivery

Dianne, Ditto from me too, you offer a unique perspective which I enjoy.

Pintosopher

Quote from: dga57 on April 28, 2015, 07:40:56 AM
I only posted that Kevinwi had deleted his account so everyone here would know there was no longer any reason to belabor the point.  NOTHING I read in that thread was out of line other than his assertion that all of Alberto's work invested in reproducing the lens should be made available free of charge.  I had already made my position clear when someone earlier balked at the price so I didn't call him out on it; quite frankly, I figured some others would... and they did.  I am very proud of the members who spoke up and pointed out the error of his ways.  I never dreamed that he would be so thin skinned he would remove himself from the site altogether, but that was his decision.  I do not find any posts, made in response to his, offensive in any way... you stepped up and supported and acknowledged the time, investment, and talent that goes into developing something like this lens and called out someone who clearly had no regard for that.  This site is dedicated to the preservation of Ford Pintos and I can think of no way to better fulfill that mission than the developing of new resources for parts.  That's what Alberto has done here and I applaud his efforts. 


A personal note to Dianne: I know this should go in a PM rather than a public post, but I feel so strongly about it that I decided to put it here so anyone and everyone can read it.  In no way whatsoever, do I want you to leave... and if that's the impression you got, I truly apologize.  Re-read the next to last sentence I wrote above.  You are uniquely positioned with the resources at your disposal to be a major factor in the preservation of Ford Pintos, if you so desire.  Your vast knowledge and understanding of technology, coupled with your ownership of shops, and your employment of mechanics who sound like real "car guys", could be the most valuable resource available to members of the PCCA.  I'm afraid that the future of quite a few Pintos died along with Fred Morgan, but even he could only harvest and supply existing parts.  The folks who have the capability to innovate and reproduce viable new parts will ultimately be the lifeblood of our hobby.  And, even if you do not choose to get involved in any of that, I like your energy, your enthusiasm, and your love of the hobby; and bottom line, I like you.  I think you'd find many of the other members here feel the same way.


Dwayne :)
That's a Big Ditto , Dwayne....
BTW , I have a 3D Dome light, but it's the light reflecting off my missing hair patch ;D It's not dimmable so, I wear a hat a lot! :o
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

dianne

Thanks Dwayne. I will reproduce parts people want if I can at Nampa Machines, we officially open on the 1st of May. I have to make some spindles for stock cars after the milling machine is operational. The main focus of that shop is to manufacture CNC Plasma Cutters and milling machines for sale. But, of course, I will be using one of each for other products such as the spindles and custom bike wheels and have partnered with a great chrome shop.

Thanks about my mechanics, there are three there now and me part time. That shop, just opened in December, is now 3 weeks of work out. We have gotten quite the reputation. Monday a woman comes in with a quote for brakes from a large chain here in the west. It was for over $400, including the front only. So Vinny puts the car up on the lift and looks at the brakes and sees that they are pretty much new. Mics the rotors and they are pretty much new. We got another care with almost a quote for $800 and we fixed it for $77. Some shops around are just crooks. Seems the chains are much more also. I can't, and won't do business that way and my guys won't either. We'd rather make our money honestly and with integrity. No Pintos in our shops, but there are 2 to 3 engine rebuilds going at any given time there along with transmission rebuilds. We are one of the only full service shops where I am, even alignments, on the car brake lathes, and so on. Many shops are sending their alignments to us. We have a great rep now and I'm pretty excited about it. Just want to sell my tech company faster LOL

Thanks for the kind words. I saw the Ferrari next to his Pinto and it really kind of set me off to be honest.
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dga57

I only posted that Kevinwi had deleted his account so everyone here would know there was no longer any reason to belabor the point.  NOTHING I read in that thread was out of line other than his assertion that all of Alberto's work invested in reproducing the lens should be made available free of charge.  I had already made my position clear when someone earlier balked at the price so I didn't call him out on it; quite frankly, I figured some others would... and they did.  I am very proud of the members who spoke up and pointed out the error of his ways.  I never dreamed that he would be so thin skinned he would remove himself from the site altogether, but that was his decision.  I do not find any posts, made in response to his, offensive in any way... you stepped up and supported and acknowledged the time, investment, and talent that goes into developing something like this lens and called out someone who clearly had no regard for that.  This site is dedicated to the preservation of Ford Pintos and I can think of no way to better fulfill that mission than the developing of new resources for parts.  That's what Alberto has done here and I applaud his efforts. 


A personal note to Dianne: I know this should go in a PM rather than a public post, but I feel so strongly about it that I decided to put it here so anyone and everyone can read it.  In no way whatsoever, do I want you to leave... and if that's the impression you got, I truly apologize.  Re-read the next to last sentence I wrote above.  You are uniquely positioned with the resources at your disposal to be a major factor in the preservation of Ford Pintos, if you so desire.  Your vast knowledge and understanding of technology, coupled with your ownership of shops, and your employment of mechanics who sound like real "car guys", could be the most valuable resource available to members of the PCCA.  I'm afraid that the future of quite a few Pintos died along with Fred Morgan, but even he could only harvest and supply existing parts.  The folks who have the capability to innovate and reproduce viable new parts will ultimately be the lifeblood of our hobby.  And, even if you do not choose to get involved in any of that, I like your energy, your enthusiasm, and your love of the hobby; and bottom line, I like you.  I think you'd find many of the other members here feel the same way.


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Srt

".....So Pintocrazed, I CONGRATULATE YOU for making this effort. I'm gonna get one myself. THANK YOU for doing this!!!...."

i think it was pintopower who has spearheaded this endevor
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!