Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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76hotrodpinto

Quote from: dianne on April 27, 2015, 06:21:48 AM
I see, the one with the Ferrari since his post is gone. Is that a bad thing Dwayne?

You have Art who is not returning due to a member who continues to hammer and badger with comments. Kevin wanted something free, I don't think my comments were off base, now were they? And I believe I was nice in those as were everyone else.

I can leave if you feel I am a problem here and delete my membership. There must be some reason you posted that he deleted his account.

I would like to wait, if you do, until I get the 2.3 in my Pinto.

Dianne


C'mon now lady... That would be the most polite outburst I've ever seen, if you're looking at it like that. You should check out the 4m crowd! I personally wouldn't have taken offence to that, had it been directed to me. Chalk it up to the obama "bucket" mentality.
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

Pintosopher

Quote from: dianne on April 27, 2015, 06:21:48 AM
I see, the one with the Ferrari since his post is gone. Is that a bad thing Dwayne?

You have Art who is not returning due to a member who continues to hammer and badger with comments. Kevin wanted something free, I don't think my comments were off base, now were they? And I believe I was nice in those as were everyone else.

I can leave if you feel I am a problem here and delete my membership. There must be some reason you posted that he deleted his account.

I would like to wait, if you do, until I get the 2.3 in my Pinto.

Dianne

Dianne,
There are many people of different opinions and Bias (Myself included) , and some people just have the inability to proofread their comments and fire away with blazin hot keystrokes. I personally have taken the time to correct myself and (in a PM) Tto caution others on the tone of an exchange . It's true that car clubs can bring out the Zeal and the Jaded nature of it's members. In the over 10 years with this club, and similar venues, I've given my dentist fits about my grinding of the teeth for many different reasons . 
A diplomatic approach when taken to the same theme over and over again, makes you want to "METAPHORICALLY, NUKE 'EM".  It's not the answer, and never will be, as I've learned. You have done no such thing, and those who have (you know who you are) will be eventually ignored.
Now that I've exhausted my prototype Moderator status, I'll go back to writing Politically Incorrect Sci Fi car pulp, and tend to my imaginary Bar. Those voices in my subconscious are kickin the door in AGAIN! ;D
Pintosopher, a tiny piece of a endless stack of hotcakes :o
Yes, it is possible to study and become a master of Pintosophy.. Not a religion , nothing less than a life quest for non conformity and rational thought. What Horse did you ride in on?

Check my Pinto Poems out...

dianne

I see, the one with the Ferrari since his post is gone. Is that a bad thing Dwayne?

You have Art who is not returning due to a member who continues to hammer and badger with comments. Kevin wanted something free, I don't think my comments were off base, now were they? And I believe I was nice in those as were everyone else.

I can leave if you feel I am a problem here and delete my membership. There must be some reason you posted that he deleted his account.

I would like to wait, if you do, until I get the 2.3 in my Pinto.

Dianne
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dga57

FYI: Kevinwi deleted his PCCA membership Sunday morning. 
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dianne

Quote from: 76hotrodpinto on April 26, 2015, 08:08:12 PM
Gotta agree. If you think $30 is too much for a piece of plastic, try looking around a toy store these days. Their not giving away barbie blueprints these days either. The guy went to the trouble of ACTUALLY DOING the leg work to make this piece, when nobody else did. And for just the price of a burger and a few drinks, you can own one without having to design it yourself, and print it yourself (how many times do you think it took till it was right?). I find that the fact that this is even a topic of discussion, is pretty lame.

Yeah, my thoughts! If I needed one, I'd buy it! I don't though. The problem of the lines is an issue, but it would be better than on with a big burn in it or none at all. You could always get sandpaper and wet sand it I guess.

Good job for making the part!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

76hotrodpinto

Quote from: dianne on April 26, 2015, 07:18:02 AM
Sure you would. Is that your Ferrari in your garage? Why not pay the $30.00 instead of looking for it for free? It's not just a different opinion Sir, it means you see no value in the time the person spend in putting it together. You see that as nothing more than something to amuse yourself to print yourself so you wouldn't have to pay anything except for the amount of plastic used to print to replace your burnt one in your car.

Shame on you. I've run into this many many times in the open source community. Just pay the $30.00 Sir.

Gotta agree. If you think $30 is too much for a piece of plastic, try looking around a toy store these days. Their not giving away barbie blueprints these days either. The guy went to the trouble of ACTUALLY DOING the leg work to make this piece, when nobody else did. And for just the price of a burger and a few drinks, you can own one without having to design it yourself, and print it yourself (how many times do you think it took till it was right?). I find that the fact that this is even a topic of discussion, is pretty lame.
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

dianne

Quote from: Kevinwi on April 26, 2015, 12:12:34 AM
I understand.

Personally, I enjoy doing things for others. I would post it for free if it's of help to anyone. But, that's just me.

(Please don't thrash me for having a different opinion.)  :-[

Sure you would. Is that your Ferrari in your garage? Why not pay the $30.00 instead of looking for it for free? It's not just a different opinion Sir, it means you see no value in the time the person spend in putting it together. You see that as nothing more than something to amuse yourself to print yourself so you wouldn't have to pay anything except for the amount of plastic used to print to replace your burnt one in your car.

Shame on you. I've run into this many many times in the open source community. Just pay the $30.00 Sir.
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Kevinwi

I understand.


Personally, I enjoy doing things for others. I would post it for free if it's of help to anyone. But, that's just me.


(Please don't thrash me for having a different opinion.)  :-[

dianne

Quote from: Kevinwi on April 22, 2015, 11:20:44 PM
Hi

I would love to print this out on my 3D printer. My light lens is discolored and I've been wanting to replace it.

It would be nice if the STL file was posted somewhere on this site.

I wouldn't post it to be honest. After spending all the time on designing and then coding it to the STL file, it would be kinda hard to do that if it were me. The hours were more than likely a labor of love. But some compensation would be in order.
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

bbobcat75

after reading Chris's (popbumper) post i am glad i have not spent my money on this part -
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

Kevinwi

Hi

I would love to print this out on my 3D printer. My light lens is discolored and I've been wanting to replace it.

It would be nice if the STL file was posted somewhere on this site.

russosborne

Do these fit all years/models?
Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

popbumper

Hi everyone. I wanted to give my own quick review of these 3D printed dome lenses. I was thrilled (as above) to see that there was an effort being made to do these. I received mine yesterday, and upon inspection, I was absolutely LESS than thrilled about the quality.

3D printing technology is still really a process that is in infancy. Because if the way it "grows" parts, SMOOTH surfaces are impossible to create. Immediate inspection of my unit revealed not only a VISIBLE (wood/knot-like) grain pattern on it, but running my fingers across it, it was also extremely noticeable.

The only way that this could possibly be "fixed" is to spend some time and several grits of sandpaper and polish to make it smooth, which I will probably NOT do.

I do not fault the company for making an effort but IMHO this is NOT a finished product, and it wasn't worth $30.

You can only choose for yourself. If others got good ones, that's great; mine was pretty bad.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Scott Hamilton

Purchased 2 of these lenses and they arrived this week. They look fantastic! Thank you much Alberto! I also have a led replacement bulb to go in the car... Hopefully I can install next week!

They really look good in person!! The price was great too...
Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

dianne

Quote from: Pintocrazed on April 06, 2015, 12:54:13 PM
IF ONLY IT WASNT SO EXPENSIVE AND TROUBLE DIANNE COULD MAKE US SOME CUSTOM WHEELS

Honestly, if there is a demand for parts in the market for a Pinto, I would make them.
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

Pintocrazed

IF ONLY IT WASNT SO EXPENSIVE AND TROUBLE DIANNE COULD MAKE US SOME CUSTOM WHEELS

dianne

Quote from: popbumper on April 06, 2015, 09:13:23 AM
May I DEFEND Pintocrazed here? I worked for 1.5 years for a plastic injection mold company. Sure, I thought about doing a LOT of different parts until I realized what the costs would be.

I'll tell you what this would take to do an injection mold:
1) A 37 ton press. The mold size would be roughly 10x10, be made of P20 steel, and be built in China.
2) The COST of the mold would be around $5000+. The cost to ship the mold would be about $500.
3) It would take roughly 8 weeks to get this mold done.

OK, now you ship it off to an injection molder. EVERY TIME they load the mold on a machine, your going to pay for a batch of resin, AND a setup charge. Then they'll want to punch out a minimum number so as not to waste their time.

If he sold 100 of these at $30, he still hasn't paid for his mold. It would take 167 of them at $30 JUST to pay for the mold. How about shipping? How about the setup charge?

ANYONE who can make parts at reasonable prices (and this is damn reasonable) should be commended. It's easy to complain about parts cost, but you have to remember:
1) Back in the day they punched out MILLIONS, easily amortizing their tooling costs
2) Tell me there's 167 people who are gonna buy this. I guarantee it won't happen

So Pintocrazed, I CONGRATULATE YOU for making this effort. I'm gonna get one myself. THANK YOU for doing this!!!

Chris

Yeah! I'm setting up CNC plasma cutters and milling machines here. I gotta tell you, the cost is expensive and I have people who want parts. The design on the CAD/CAM system is expensive and then programming the systems. Just the labor is gonna kill me. Doing custom bike wheels for a shop near me, they will cost around $2,500 each and the billet aluminium alone is like 500 to 800.

It ain't cheap making these parts.
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dga57

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

popbumper

May I DEFEND Pintocrazed here? I worked for 1.5 years for a plastic injection mold company. Sure, I thought about doing a LOT of different parts until I realized what the costs would be.

I'll tell you what this would take to do an injection mold:
1) A 37 ton press. The mold size would be roughly 10x10, be made of P20 steel, and be built in China.
2) The COST of the mold would be around $5000+. The cost to ship the mold would be about $500.
3) It would take roughly 8 weeks to get this mold done.

OK, now you ship it off to an injection molder. EVERY TIME they load the mold on a machine, your going to pay for a batch of resin, AND a setup charge. Then they'll want to punch out a minimum number so as not to waste their time.

If he sold 100 of these at $30, he still hasn't paid for his mold. It would take 167 of them at $30 JUST to pay for the mold. How about shipping? How about the setup charge?

ANYONE who can make parts at reasonable prices (and this is damn reasonable) should be commended. It's easy to complain about parts cost, but you have to remember:
1) Back in the day they punched out MILLIONS, easily amortizing their tooling costs
2) Tell me there's 167 people who are gonna buy this. I guarantee it won't happen

So Pintocrazed, I CONGRATULATE YOU for making this effort. I'm gonna get one myself. THANK YOU for doing this!!!

Chris

Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Pintocrazed

For the time it'll take to search a junkyard for these if your lucky enough to find a pinto it's worth spending the 30 for a new one

solo.ojeda

 ;D just wanted to say THANKS!!!! I have never been able to find a dome lens this easy in my life. Shut up and take my money. already ordered in like 5 seconds after seeing this post. You sir may have single handedly saved my sanity! thanks!

dga57

So true!  And it's the people who take the time to address these needs and fulfill them that will ultimately help perpetuate the old car hobby... and it's the reason that the car hobby is expensive, whether it be classic, exotic, antique, or whatever!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

76hotrodpinto

Quote from: bbobcat75 on April 03, 2015, 07:45:49 AM
this is cool - but with a total of $30.00 shipped ?

Eh. I get what you mean, it's a lot for a piece of plastic. But it's not a factory with injection molders pumping them out. It's someone who took the time to fill a need for a part that, from what I understand, is not available new anymore. Seems reasonable to me, in that context.
1976 half hatch 2.3 turbo w/t5.

bbobcat75

this is cool - but with a total of $30.00 shipped ?
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

Pintopower

Version 2.0 has arrived! Tested, installed, and dropped on the floor (oops). This version has been installed and removed 20 times from a few dome light enclosures I have. This guy is ready to hit the road!














And let there be light:



These can be purchased on shapeways here:


https://www.shapeways.com/product/MUMKXTFJ9/ford-pinto-and-mustang-ii-standard-dome-light-lens


These will take a month to print and send over to you.[/size]What ever you have heard about 3D printed parts being weak or substandard was only true a decade ago. Very soon, 3D printing will replace most forms of manufacturing. Trust me, I am in the industry and see it already. email me at pintopower@hotmail.com for any questions.

I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Pintopower

Quote from: dianne on March 02, 2015, 06:40:03 AM
Is it brittle? I tried a 3D printer to make buttons for a system I make at work but they were too brittle to use.

How flexible is it?

This particular material is fairly brittle as you can see the cracks It has developed from about 50 fitments. However, when compared to the originals, it is like butter. The originals crack when looking at the the wrong way. I have to agree that a worse problem is heat. Under normal usage, it wont burn but leaving your car door open a while will make it look like the originals I suspect. The better route is to install an LED replacement bulb like I did. None of my Pintos (or Fiats or Toyotas or cars at all for that mater) have a since incandescent bulb in them. All my cars are LED driven now. Low power consumption and next to no heat when compared with the standard bulb; heat is the reason the dash housing sockets disintegrate. My dome lights are now much brighter than stock. Still, even with a standard bulb, they will never burn if you don't leave your door open over night or sit in the car reading in the dark.
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

dianne

Well, I guess it's coming around honestly.

We'll see!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

pinto_one

Most of the ones have (spares included) have a small burn spot in them from the door being left open a lot , got a LED light in it now , so it will last longer , but still have the burn spot in it though ???

76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

Wittsend

"Is it brittle?"

With the bulb generating heat the problem may go the other way. The filament has to have a low enough temperature melt point to be printable.  That said, there are all kinds of filaments available for printing. So, some may work better with heat than others.  My son has an Ulitmaker 2 Printer. Last time he brought it over he was making stuff with bamboo imbedded in the plastic.

While I find them intriguing my first impression is that they sure are slow.  It doesn't spit out parts like an injection mold.

dianne

Is it brittle? I tried a 3D printer to make buttons for a system I make at work but they were too brittle to use.

How flexible is it?
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied