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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

2nd try at a Pinto-74 wagon this time

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russosborne

Another lesson learned by me.
Can't assume a CA car is solid.
Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

5.0 Chero

Quote from: russosborne on April 28, 2016, 03:17:03 PM
Thanks Matt.

Right now I am working on my Ranchero, and it is very tempting to yank the engine and trans out for the Pinto. Stupid thing has rust like an Ohio car, yet it is a California/Arizona car. Not sure what part of CA though, and some places there do get wet. And it sat for several (8 or so) years, could have been sitting over a swamp. Problem is I need the Ranchero both mentally (it really is fun to drive) as well as a future parts runner for the Pinto.

Russ

Lots of rust on coastal cars....Salt air and Fog 

74 PintoWagon

The car could have been originally a beach car, if so it will look like it came out of the rust belt in no time with all that salt air..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne

Thanks Matt.

Right now I am working on my Ranchero, and it is very tempting to yank the engine and trans out for the Pinto. Stupid thing has rust like an Ohio car, yet it is a California/Arizona car. Not sure what part of CA though, and some places there do get wet. And it sat for several (8 or so) years, could have been sitting over a swamp. Problem is I need the Ranchero both mentally (it really is fun to drive) as well as a future parts runner for the Pinto.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

r4pinto

Nice parts. I've been following silently on your posts and that's a lot to go through. I wish you nothing but the best and hope things get better. Keep your head up and don't give up no matter how easy it can be. One day at a time. We may not be family but our group genuinely cares. I truly believe that.


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

russosborne

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on April 04, 2016, 06:54:06 AM
Wow, that's quite a deal, they USA made parts????..
Don't know, they came from Speedway.
Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Well, it was just good luck enough to make me feel like there was hope.
Hope is a very bad four letter word in my world.
I got let go from my job this morning. Posted more in the General section.
Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

dga57

I do believe your luck has finally made a turnaround!!!  Congratulations on a great find!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

74 PintoWagon

Wow, that's quite a deal, they USA made parts????..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne

A couple more pictures.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Well, guess no one was around to get excited.  :o

Anyway, here are the pictures. Upper tubular control arms with bushings and ball joints (screw in), spindles, and a nice shiny rack and pinion with tie rods.
All supposed to be new from Speedway Motors, just used for mock up. And stock MII dimensions. We'll see.
Best part. $150 for ALL of it.
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

woo boy.
Just when you least expect it.

I went to a swap meet today looking for Mustang and Ranchero parts. Was really hoping to find some tires for the Mustang. I did find a pair of brand new electric radiator cooling fans for it( I have a dual fan setup given to me, but the fans are questionable).

However, I came across one of those "way too good to pass up" deals for the Pinto. Note, I didn't want or expect to buy anything for it. But....

I'll leave you in suspense until I get some pictures taken. This is stuff I have on my Speedway Motors wish list.

Be back soon.

Thanks,

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

A bit of an update, although maybe a negative step.

I posted in the General section a few weeks ago about trying to sell the front suspension stuff. It's all been sitting on a table in the front of the house since then. Tonight was set the trash cans out night, and I finally decided to just toss the stuff. Got it all tossed except for one side of disk brake/upper control arm/spindle. I am keeping the sway bar.

Been so effing depressed I haven't done a thing to the car even though the temp has finally gotten cool. It's still sitting on blocks in the back yard, haven't even gotten the concrete slab cleaned off. I haven't even taken the welding table out of it's box.  I look at the Pinto several times a day while I take the dogs out back and wonder if I shouldn't just scrap it. I haven't even gotten anything done to the Ranchero other than drive it once every week or two. At this point I am worried if I do anything to it I won't be able to drive it anymore.

Never mind me, I am just totally depressed.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: Reeves1 on July 30, 2015, 07:11:38 AM
Had one I tossed into my burn pit. Good shape. Didn't think anyone would have wanted them.
I'd a taken it.. :D
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Reeves1

Quote from: dga57 on July 28, 2015, 03:41:16 PM
I have two here that I paid a lot more for than that, and don't really look any better! 


Dwayne :)

Had one I tossed into my burn pit. Good shape. Didn't think anyone would have wanted them.

dianne

Quote from: russosborne on July 28, 2015, 09:22:03 PM
If I use it for the Pinto I will have to change the color anyway, so it shouldn't be a big deal. The arm rest is a bit rough. Not sure what I would do to fix that. Maybe use the same naugahyde on it that I am going to use on the dash pad?

If I keep it red I could put it in the Ranchero. Not sure how it would look or fit. Might try it just for fun. Only I don't have a floor shift or a floor emergency brake. Although I would like having the ebrake be a handle instead of the foot pedal. It's something I've been thinking about but haven't made up my mind on. And I would like a floor shift, but only if I can put a 5 speed manual trans in it.

Thanks,
Russ

I have a 79 and it's going to be a pain to get it fabed in there. I was thinking that it would be better to build one from scratch for the 79. The 72 will require less fab though, so it will probably go in the 72. I have the brackets, could probably fab one for you, just need to bend some steal and drill it out.
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

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74 PintoWagon

Should clean it up and put it in the Pinto, I would if it were mine..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne

If I use it for the Pinto I will have to change the color anyway, so it shouldn't be a big deal. The arm rest is a bit rough. Not sure what I would do to fix that. Maybe use the same naugahyde on it that I am going to use on the dash pad?

If I keep it red I could put it in the Ranchero. Not sure how it would look or fit. Might try it just for fun. Only I don't have a floor shift or a floor emergency brake. Although I would like having the ebrake be a handle instead of the foot pedal. It's something I've been thinking about but haven't made up my mind on. And I would like a floor shift, but only if I can put a 5 speed manual trans in it.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

dga57

I agree.  I have two here that I paid a lot more for than that, and don't really look any better! 


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

74 PintoWagon

Little clean up and it'll look like new, I'd say you did ok on that deal..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne

Before you say how bad it is, remember it was only $25 (and about half a tank of gas).
And I am not even sure if I am going to use this for the Pinto or not. Still thinking about making one.
And, no, I don't have the brackets. But that is a long ways away for now so I won't worry about it.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

and more, guess I got started on the wrong end of the pictures list.
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

more
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Finally got around to taking pictures of the new to me console.
going to take a few posts to get them all. If I can remember how to post pictures.


Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

74 PintoWagon

Sounds like you got it in Casa Grande.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

russosborne

Well, I have got none of the above done yet. :-[
But, I did make progress on the Pinto. ;D

I bought a center console for it from a 77 Mustang II. Red, will have to be changed to either black or grey, most likely black.

It is complete (except for the mounting brackets) and in decent shape (except for the foam arm rest piece, it is all there but really feels rough to the touch). And it is an automatic console. I can get a manual insert for it later on assuming I can go manual as planned. Will have to look for the brackets at some point, but I am not going to be spending more money on this right now.

I hadn't planned on buying one of these, didn't think I would be able to afford one.  :o But someone had some parts from the 77 for sale cheap on CL and he only wanted $25 for this. It had been for sale for well over a month, I think the reason was he is about an hour's drive south of Phoenix, about half way to Tucson. Funny thing was gas was priced 30 cents cheaper there than the cheapest around here.

I'll try to take some pictures later on. Still trying to wake up completely, my mind isn't really functioning yet.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Well, Pinto is still where it was. I have however bought 4 decent casters (4 inchers I think, I forgot already) from HF to use to make the Pinto rollable versus dragging it. Plan is to mount the casters on some 2x6s I have and mount them to the car somewhere and use the Ranchero to pull it forward. Only need to move it about 8 or 10 feet. Going to try to get that done this weekend. I still haven't taken the welding table out of the box, hard to believe it's been over a month now since I got it.  :-[ At least I did get a new barbecue grill assembled. Haven't used it yet though.  :-[ I didn't get the "grill" gene or something, but I don't enjoy cooking outside. I do better inside. I am better at things that have instructions (recipes) than things that take more of a feel. One reason I don't play much bass guitar. I can play the notes if they are written, but I don't have the "feel for the rhythm" I even had to look that word up for spelling.  :-[ :o

I am going to try to make the frame for the fuel cell and battery. I feel the  need to burn something, so it might as well be metal. Better than the house I suppose. I can at least do the basic frame, I am still not sure how I am going to mount it to the car. :-\   I do know the basic frame layout, but might have to have the cell partially above the floor, depends on how far it sticks below. Fuel cell dragging on the ground might be a bad idea. Pintos already have a bad reputation for fires. :P

Been trying to sell the extra stuff one last time. The stock rear, the stock front suspension/brakes, gas tank, etc. Thinking it will be going to scrap however. I need to clean up the place quite a bit and this stuff is not helping. Probably have a snake living under the pile.  ::) I've found several people who will come and take it for free. I was going to take it to a scrap place and get some cash, but I would have to do a lot of work to most of it before they will take it, and it just isn't worth the limited amount of money I would get for it.
Too bad no one locally seems to have any interest in all that stuff. I would pretty much give it away to someone who could use any of it. HINT-HINT! :'(

The way I have been feeling I am wanting to just scrap the whole thing, but honestly that wouldn't make me feel any better. It's paid for, and if I ruin it by learning to weld on it at least hopefully I will have learned enough to make it not a complete loss.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

So much has gone on lately.

I have to sell the Mustangs today, family member financail  emergency. Details on the Mustang thread I have in the Non-Pinto section. So there goes the engine and trans I was going to try to use. Along with a bunch of other stuff I had planned on taking from them to use. I did snag a couple of things for the Ranchero though. The power distribution box from the engine compartment with about a foot of wire harness, the alternator harness, and a spare tire that actually has decent tread and holds air. No where near what I had hoped to take and use. So I guess back to working towards putting a 351C engine in the Pinto.

No more newer cars for me to try to fix and flip. Early 80's is probably the newest I will go.No computers/electronics.  Older Fox bodied Mustangs, or preferably 60's and 70's Fords. Wouldn't mind doing some more Pontiacs and Oldsmobiles as well. But only ones leaning towards the muscle car side of things.  If the wife's ex is even willing to give it another shot. He lost about 2grand on this deal.

Good part of that is I can put the Pinto back onto the slab this weekend.

I bought a portable welding table from Harbor Freight this week. So I can start working on my welding and get going on the fuel cell frame for the Pinto and something for the Ranchero. 

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Been working on my Ranchero a bit and I am feeling guilty about not doing anything with the Pinto. There are a couple of things I want to do and can afford to do, mainly doing some measuring for the fuel cell install, but since the Pinto is literally sitting on blocks in the yard I am not feeling comfortable getting inside of it.  :-[
I am thinking maybe I should just use the gas tank from the other 96 Stang, but in reality either one will probably take the same amount of work to mount, and that tank IS almost 20 years old now and it may be too wide. Besides, a fuel cell is cool.  ;D

I need to come up with some sort of welding table so I can start working on the fuel cell mounting frame. I am not up to welding on the ground/floor at all. I have two metal cabinets that I could use for the base, but they have wood for the tops right now. Welding and wood are not the best combo. And I don't have the money or the energy to get a quarter inch thick plate to put on top. Those things are too heavy, even a 2x4 foot section, which is what I want to do. And if I took the wood off these things don't have a solid top. It's always something.  :-[

Thanks and sorry for not having much positive to say.
Russ

In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.