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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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74 PintoWagon

Quote from: poomwah on April 13, 2014, 06:15:54 PM
can't afford a bigger engine. But since my power steering is leaking, I may as well ditch it
I don't have power steering on mine and as easy as it is I sure wouldn't add it, wife don't even complain about it,lol..
Art
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poomwah

Quote from: Rob3865 on April 13, 2014, 06:10:19 PM
I don't know. If you gotta start deletin nice stuff like power steering in the name of power......maybe a bigger engine is in order.
can't afford a bigger engine. But since my power steering is leaking, I may as well ditch it

Rob3865

I don't know. If you gotta start deletin nice stuff like power steering in the name of power......maybe a bigger engine is in order.

dianne

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on March 31, 2014, 07:32:23 AM
Well, I got everything on hold right now to finish the shop(which is just about done)then I'll be getting back on mine, already have the intake and header just need the carb, plan is to squeeze all the mileage I can without digging into the motor, at least not for a while anyhow..

Where are the pictures?  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm LOL  Let's see pics!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

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poomwah

the open air cleaners don't pull in too much heat from the engine compartment?
Seems like everyone is about cold air intakes, you don't see too many people running open ones anymore, even though they look great :]

Pinto5.0

I bought one of these 2 days ago for when I replace my wagon engine. Cheapest price I've ever found.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171191023049?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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poomwah


amc49

Yes, at least in my view. The stocker is abysmal.

poomwah

ok, so , it looks like I'm keeping the automatic. I have had knee surgery on both knees in the past. and they are giving me a lot of trouble lately. At least they started acting up BEFORE I swapped to a manual. LOL.
so......
looks like I'm sticking with the stock intake and carb.  Deleting power steering and emisisons (leaking power steering and cleaner engine compartment without emissions stuff), Adjustable cam gear.
  With the only change being lack of emissions and adjustable cam gear... is changing to a ranger tubular exhaust manifold even worth the money?

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Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

poomwah

so its looking like Ranger exhaust manifold, stock intake and carb , deleting power steering and emissions, swapping to manual trans, adding adjustable cam gear.
undecided on what air cleaner I'm going to use.
probably going to keep ignition stock.
don't know if I'm going to change cams.
I'm going to worry less about power vs fuel economy, and I'm going to concentrate mostly on simplicity, dependability, and tidiness.

poomwah

thanks Amc, looks like I've got a lot of decision making to do, got to figure out what I can afford, and what work I can actually do myself. Block off plates and brackets and stuff like that I can do.  Making adapter plates, that's beyond my equipment capabilities

amc49

It'll work but kinda problem. The stock 2.3 manifold sucks but will work if you just relegate yourself to a 100 hp. motor. The EFI lower is better but has to have some work done to make it work right. I used  a 2.0 manifold with adapter plate; it worked really well but the plates not commonly available, I made mine.

Most try to use the EFI lower to get more power but the commonly used one inch thick adapter is too low and flow suffers in my view. They make a two inch one that in and of itself would flow much better but that one may not fit under the hood, jury still out with the verdict. I for one haven't tried it yet.

If one could find a stock Offenhauser 2 barrel intake that would probably work OK with a 5200. Hard to find though. And made for inline two barrel, not staged progressive like the stock carb is. Intake work on the 2.3 SOHC is not a cut and dry affair, you have to do work to get anything to work really well.

poomwah

what are your thoughts on using a properly tuned 5200 on a better manifold?

poomwah

wow, thank you VERY much for that information Amc.
really makes me wish I could put a v8 in it at this point

amc49

The 2100 should hurt mileage, at cruise you are feeding from two transfer slot sets instead of one like the 5200. And air going through two venturis which is less efficient than one with more flow. Most of them are off V-8 engines so the power valve channel restrictions will need to be custom made, as in smaller. Most people simply change jets and valves only and a big giveaway in total set-up there. And which bore 2100? Only like 50 of them in several bores, and different every one. The location of the airbleed holes on the main emulsion tubes can make or break you mileage wise there. Meaning you should try out more than one booster venturi there.  The later 5200s even changed in size looking for mileage in the later year models. The early ones were too big on primary side and lost mileage. Of course they made more power, important on a first year small engine car.

Yes, sometimes you can get both power and economy with the same setup but much more common on bigger engines, the smaller ones tend to do less of that. The load (power to weight ratio) on smaller engine exaggerates the giveaway between power and economy there. Basic physics. Going to electronic ignition is one that gives on both ends. A PROPER header can, like a 4-2-1. Mods for TORQUE, not horsepower, can. Any UPPER horsepower mod almost always will cost mileage. Head porting in the valve pocket alone with no increase in size of port runners AT ALL can help. Slightly increased compression will help both if you can get it to not ping.

Small engines drop off way more in mileage percentage wise when they get old than big ones do, they have less power to give away when ring seal starts to drop off. It takes a certain amount of power just to maintain say 70 mph steady state. Thinking like 35-40 hp. depending on how slippery car body is. I find I have trouble hitting like 27-28 mpg (32 advertised) on my two older Focus 16 valve engines since they crossed around 110-120K miles, they are getting looser and mileage then begins to drop. I too know carbs backwards and forwards so can work on them blindfolded and hundreds jetted but I feel there is no noticeable difference in absolute power in carb or EFI if carb is well set up. The big difference is in how long the tune lasts and the extra life the motor gets from no extra fuel mixing with the oil. PCM is the biggest reason for cars lasting 300K miles now.

ATX with no lockup and no OD was always advertised as about 20% mileage cost in lots of earlier studies. Of course, once you get a certain amount of lower gear under the car the low output engine will cost more in mileage anyway, they do not have enough torque to lug an overdrive gear once the engine gets older, resulting in more throttle used to maintain speed and lost mileage doing so. OD is a much cleaner idea when used on bigger engines with more torque. My Focus cars actually tend to shift back to 3rd now at any slight incline, the OD as provided by Ford is too much load for the older higher mileage engines. Yet it worked fine when the engines were new and fresh. The engines are rated at 130 hp. but I feel they drop to maybe 110 real world with more mileage. 110 gross is about 80 or so net at the wheels, that's not a lot extra to play with.

poomwah

ok, I've got the game plan mostly figured out, with a few possibilities later.
I'm going to change the auto over to a manual.  Mostly because I'd rather have a manual for driving fun, but also it may help mileage a little and it opens up my cam choices if I decided I want to change it.
I'm going to keep the original bottom and and PROBABLY the head.  Ranger header and either FI lower intake or offy. 
PROBABLY a 2100 carb, possibly a different model. Undecided on air cleaner. 
POSSIBLY a newer roller cam head.
  I'm pretty confident none of that will hurt my fuel mileage.  If I don't gain any, that's ok, as long as I don't lose any.
I'm sure that with those things done that the car will be a lot more fun to drive though :]

poomwah

Thanks Tom,
   That's really decent of you , but there's no need to apologize. I appreciate all the opinions you shared

Seth

Wittsend

Poomwah,
  My apology, I didn't know about your disability, remote location and other difficulties.  I hope everything works out however you decide.

Tom

74 PintoWagon

Quote from: dick1172762 on April 02, 2014, 11:45:32 AM
   I've driven Pintos since 1972 and their miles per gallon sucks. I've owned 16 of them and none ever got over 20 mpg. This engine was created in the late 60's so what do you expect? Its a tractor motor compared to todays motors. Just drive it and enjoy it. That's what its for plain and simple.
Well we'll see, I'm not giving up that easy, LOL..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

Pinto5.0

Oh and the HP in 87 with EFI was 90 HP/130# ft. of torque so no huge gains over a basic carbed 2.3L in a Pinto. I would think an EFI head, intake & computer would bolt right on a Pinto block since compression should be close & there are no extra block holes needed for sensors.
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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
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Pinto5.0

The question of EFI being worth much is debatable. I have an 87 Mustang LX, 2.3L 5-speed with 87K miles that I originally bought to swap the drivetrain into my wagon. I held off doing the swap because the engine smokes at startup but everything points to it just needing valve seals so I may yet try this since I need to swap my ill running 2.3 anyhow. It will depend on the complexity of the engine wiring which is supposed to be minimal.

Here's what I do know. The Mustang weighs 2800# & the wagon 2600# so that's a wash. Aerodynamics are probably a wash at 65 mph as well. The Mustang in a good state of tune could do low 20's city, high 20's highway with the 5 speed. I figure the swap will net me about 23-24 mpg average in my wagon assuming I use the same rear axle ratio as the Stang. I need to see what's in both but I'm not swapping a rear if it's close enough (say 3.00 in the wagon & 3.08 in the Stang)

Getting the Stang stripped & scrapped is a priority on my to-do list this year so I may be on this task in a couple of months. If getting it in the wagon can be done quickly(I need the car running, not a 4 month project) then I may have this done by the end of June & I'll have some real facts to report on mileage.
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'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

poomwah

I don't want to turn this into a financial debate, but yes 5 to 8 dollars a week add up. Especially when my disability check just barely covers rent. Living out in the middle of nowhere eliminates walking and catching a ride. Driving prudently is something I've definitely learned to develop.  So there are times that 5 to 8 dollars a week will determine whether or not I drive somewhere or not.
That being said, I realize that for the most part, you have to pick power or fuel economy, but I also know that's not always the case. I know there are things that can be done that will improve power AND fuel economy, even if they are VERY minimal gains, every little bit adds up. I also know there are things that can be done that improve performance without hurting fuel economy. Again, VERY small gains, but still they add up.
I just don't know what applies to pintos and what doesn't.
I have a car for sale, whatever I get out of that is going into the bobcat. My biggest priority is to make it dependable. My next is to make it clean, ie ANYTHING that doesn't need to be under the hood is GONE.  No emissions checks in Ohio, so anything that isn't going to hinder engine efficiency is going.  Fuel economy is a real issue and I would like to improve it if possible. At best I want to make sure I don't LOWER it at all.
  While I have VERY little experience with fuel injection, I will go that route if that's the best way to go. I have decades of experience with carbs, while I still don't like experimenting with jetting, I am no stranger to to rebuilding and adjusting carbs, from single barrels to 4 barrels, including multi carb set  ups. I'm comfortable with all of them.
So, it seems the consensus is that to get 25mpg out of a pinto wagon you need to change the engine?  Would the whole engine need to be swapped, or just a newer top end do the trick... ranger for instance?

Wittsend

Well, again my math says for Poomwah the difference is between $5-$8 a week. Being prudent in how one drives helps.  My old Mazda 323 averaged about 34 MPG.  If I drove like a "Hypermiler" I could get 37 MPG. 65 MPH in that car got high 30's MPG.  Going 55 MPH got 44-45 MPG and only took 20 minutes more on a 2 hour drive.  There was NOTHING I could have added/removed parts wise to that car to get those differences.

If that $5-$8 a week is really hurting him, walking, catching a ride with others and driving prudent can make up that cash difference - fast.

Pinto5.0

Quote from: poomwah on April 02, 2014, 11:20:13 AM
I know that 5 mpg isn't much to most people. But in my financial situation it's a huge difference

I parked my crew cab dually because 9 mpg was killing me. Driving the 15 mpg Pinto instead feels like I won the gas lottery. My Neon was getting 32 mpg before winter & lately it's getting 21 partly due to winter blend gas but also I think the head gasket needing changed may be causing the decrease. I have an external oil leak by the cam feed so if that part went maybe it's blown elsewhere. I definitely notice the extra gas that car is drinking at 21 versus 32 so it's a priority to fix ASAP.

On paper it doesn't sound like a lot but that extra $20 a week in my tank gets noticed even though I make more than enough to afford it. I don't like giving free money to the oil company if I can get better mpg's outta my cars.
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'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
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'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

dick1172762

Quote from: 74 PintoWagon on April 02, 2014, 09:33:31 AM
I'm getting just about 20 now and it's running like crap, once I change the intake and carb and put a header on and rework the ignition curve a bit should be able to get 25+ I would think..
I've driven Pintos since 1972 and their miles per gallon sucks. I've owned 16 of them and none ever got over 20 mpg. This engine was created in the late 60's so what do you expect? Its a tractor motor compared to todays motors. Just drive it and enjoy it. That's what its for plain and simple.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

poomwah

I know that 5 mpg isn't much to most people. But in my financial situation it's a huge difference

Wittsend

Your question revolved around the best POWER and ECONOMY.  As I stated above you generally can't get one without sacrificing the other.  There was the Pinto MPG that was rated at 34 highway (manual) 30 highway (automatic) http://www.pinterest.com/pin/155092780890759062/.

But that is likely not "real world" driving. The test might well have had a lightweight driver, just enough fuel for the test, tires inflated to 40 PSI, the maximum permissible tail wind and road slope with the car going 50 MPH on the highway.  For sure the car had the 2.76 gears and a professional driver skilled at extracting mileage out of the car.

You (possibly weighing more that the "test driver") get into your car with a full tank of gas, you start up a cold motor and drive 70 MPH over inclined roads into a head wind with 3.55 gears in the rear.  Throw in city driving and if you get 20-25 MPG you are doing pretty good.  Before I went Turbo/2.3/5 speed my 2.0/Auto wagon averaged about 22 MPG.  I was about 50/50 - city/highway and live in a somewhat hilly area.

For the record the difference between 20 MPG and 25 MPG is 100 gallons of fuel over the course of a 10,000 mile year.  Here in So. Cal. gas is currently $4.00 a gallon. The difference is $400 a year or $33 a month or $8.33 a week.  That is less than an hours work a week (based on $9.00 minimum wage).  Chances are most Pinto's are being driven far less than that.  So, I doubt the difference is more than five bucks a week.  Just drive the car and enjoy it for what it is.  I think you will be happier.

BTW, Plymouth had a "Feather Duster." A far bigger car with a 6 cylinder engine nearly double the size of the Pinto.  Their claim was that it got 36 MPG. 
"The Feather Duster featured lightweight aluminum parts including the intake manifold, bumper brackets, hood and trunk bracing, and manual transmission housing, for a weight savings of about 187 lb (84.8 kg)—5% lighter than a standard Duster similarly equipped. It came with a 225 Slant Six with its distributor and single-barrel carburetor calibrated for economy, a low-restriction exhaust system, an extra-high rear axle ratio, and was offered with either the Torqueflite 3-speed automatic or A833 overdrive 4-speed manual transmission. It was the most fuel-efficient car in its size class, achieving up to 36 mpg highway and 24 in the city with the manual transmission option. (along with Dodge's version, the Dart Lite)."

Pinto5.0

Quote from: poomwah on April 02, 2014, 09:12:13 AM
Wow.  So i guess 25 mpg was an unrealistic goal :[

I sure haven't had any luck getting there, that's for sure.....
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze